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questions for the professionals

1.how good is the s-300 against agile fighters like f-16 ?

2.what is the expected max range of the s-300 against agile fighters receding from the missile at a very low altitude ? very important q

3.is buk-m better against agile fighters or not ?
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i like ausairpower but it dosnt say any thing abut the performance and range when engaging agile fighter at very low altitude. so if you know any info about that say it .
 
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There are currently three main variations: S-300V, S-300P and S-300F

The V suffix stands for Voyska (ground forces): top tier army air defence system, providing a defence against ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and aircraft. The S-300V system is carried on tracked MT-T transporters. 9M83 "GLADIATOR" missiles have a maximum engagement range of around 75 km (47 mi) while the 9M82 "GIANT" missiles can engage targets out to 100 km (62 mi) and up to altitudes of around 32 km (100,000 ft).The S-300V places a greater emphasis on the ABM, with the dedicated 9M82 (SA-12B Giant) Anti-Ballistic missile

The S-300P is the original version of the S-300 system. The P suffix stand for PVO-Strany (country air defence system). It was originally intended to fit the Track Via Missile (TVM) guidance system onto this model. However, the TVM system had problems tracking targets below 500 m. Rather than accept the limitation, the Soviets decided that the tracking of low altitude targets was a must and decided to use a pure command-guidance system until the TVM head was ready.[5] This allowed the minimum engagement altitude to be set at 25 m. Improvements to the S-300P have resulted in several major subversions for both the internal and the export market. The S-300PT-1 and S-300PT-1A (SA-10b/c) are incremental upgrades of the original S300PT system. They introduce the 5V55KD missile with a range of 75 km. The S-300PS/S-300PM was introduced in 1985 and featured the new 5V55R missiles, which increased maximum engagement range to 90 km (56 mi) and introduced a terminal semi-active radar homing (SARH) guidance mode. The next modernisation, called the S-300PMU, was introduced in 1992 for the export market and featured the upgraded 5V55U missile which still utilised the intermediate SARH terminal guidance method and smaller warhead of the 5V55R but increased the engagement envelope to give this missile roughly the same range and altitude capabilities as the newer 48N6 missile (max. range 150 km/93 mi). In addition to the 5V55R and 48N6E missiles the S-300PMU-1 can utilise two new missiles, the 9M96E1 and 9M96E2. Both are significantly smaller than the previous missiles at 330 and 420 kg (728 and 926 lb respectively) and carry smaller 24 kg (53 lb) warhead. The 9M96E1 has an engagement range of 1–40 km (1–25 mi) and the 9M96E2 of 1–120 km (1–75 mi).The S-300PMU-2 Favorite (Russian С-300ПМУ-2 Фаворит – Favourite, DoD designation SA-20B), introduced in 1997, is an upgrade to the S-300PMU-1 with range extended once again to 195 km (121 mi) with the introduction of the 48N6E2 missile

The S-300F Fort, F suffix for Flot (Russian for fleet) was introduced in 1984 as the original ship-based (naval) version of the S-300P system, with the new 5V55RM missile with range extended to 7–90 km (4–56 mi, equal to 3.8–50 nautical miles) and maximum target speed up to Mach 4, while engagement altitude was reduced to 25–25,000 m (100-82,000 ft). The S-300FM Fort-M is another naval version of the system, that introduced the new 48N6 missile in 1990. This increased missile speed to approximately Mach 6 for a maximum target engagement speed of up to Mach 8.5, increased the warhead size to 150 kg (330 lb) and increased the maximum engagement range yet again to 5–150 km (3–93 mi) as well as opening the altitude envelope to 10m-27 km (33–88500 ft). The new missiles also introduced the ultimate track-via-missile guidance method and brought with it the ability to intercept short-range ballistic missiles.

So, the question really is .... what missile are we talking about, exactly?
S-300 (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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thanks dude for all these info's , i am sorry for not being specific the version is S-300PMU with missile 5V55U

and the scenario is launching against an agile fighter like f-16 flying very low less than 100m and f-16 is receding and another time approaching .
 
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R u kidding man any variant of s-300 can shoot f-16 it can even shoot down a b-2,our air defence once shot down our own f-16 with a stinger lol :omghaha:
 
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R u kidding man any variant of s-300 can shoot f-16 it can even shoot down a b-2,our air defense once shot down our own f-16 with a stinger lol :omghaha:

BUt your missing the point nothing in Russian/american/Israeli/Chinese AIR DEFENSE that can Shoot down a MKI,......... so things are looking really bad for Pakistan air defense artillery
 
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R u kidding man any variant of s-300 can shoot f-16 it can even shoot down a b-2,our air defence once shot down our own f-16 with a stinger lol :omghaha:

usually when looking at historical events its better to investigate before making statements.

The F-16 shoot down was a fratricide in which the flight lead shot down his wingman as he crossed in front of him with a AIM-9L sidewinder.
 
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s-300 is now an increasingly old system.Its missile is ineffective at low level terrain masking attacks ,that is why pantsir was built to give point defence protection.In any case system was completely compromised in 1992 when usa bought a s-300 pmu from belarus.Its aold generation system now,s-400/s-500 are modern systems.As an high altitude weapon though its still formidable.
 
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Any air defence missile system is quite vulnerable to SEAD. The USAF has quite sophisticated SEAD doctrine in place, which they developed during Vietnam War and subsequently refined during Desert Storm. The USAF uses Wild Weasels to counter SAM. Their job is to entice Air Defence networks to fire at enticing targets, while other aircraft are just beyond radar coverage and scannig it. As soon as the air defence radars are switched on this aircraft would set their ARM(anti radiation missiles) to lock on to the RADAR emission; which would thereafter take them out. Earlier while better ARM systems were not available USAF used dumb bombs to destroy SAM sites. Later on Shrike missile was developed, which could only locked on to preset frequencies.Now a days I believe HARM is used which can lock on to RADAR signals emitted in real time.
So to answer your question I would like to ask what kind of mission you are talking about. If you are talking about a ground attack scenario then I would say without Wild Weasel teams in support any aircraft would be quite vulnerable to SAM. If it is a SEAD mission then I would put my money on the Wild Weasels.
 
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When it comes to S-300 you should keep in mind that there are two completely different systems that are called S-300: S-300V and S-300P. Most exported and famous is S-300P version.

S-300P has many very different modifications:

S-300P (1978) - 5V55K missile, 47 km range.
S-300PS (1983) - 5V55R missile, 75 km range.
S-300PMU1 (1993) - 4N6E missile, 150 km range.
S-300PMU2 (1997) - 4N6E2 missile, 200 km range.

S-400 is modified S-300PMU2.

Now when it comes to range most important thing to remember is that in order to guide missile this guidance radar must be in line of sight with the plane:

s-300pmu2_02.jpg


If plane is hidden by horizon or some mountain it wont be able to guide it. For example if plane is flying at 50 m altitude over a plain, then S-300 wont be able to hit it beyond some 25-30 km.
 
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Missiles from S-300PMU-2 has big chanses against every agile fighter 4th/4th++ generation in S-300PMU-2 effective area(150km).

Speed of 48N6E2 missile is about 3000m/s in effective zone(150km), think that you are in F-16, and something comes to you with 3000m/s speed... :blink:
 
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