Russia's suicide

[One_Nation]

As I said, Putin would need to be a willing participant for this "Trap" to work. None of what it does cannot happen unless Putin himself decided to invade Ukraine. Unless you are saying the West somehow forced Russia to invade Ukraine, this being a trap does not really make sense.

This is not about Putin miscalculate, he has to when he invades, this has to do with he chooses to invade anyway. Unless he thinks the West is going to do absolutely nothing and Finland or Sweden would not care about the status quo changes. Both of which you have to be extremely naive to believe so.

Sometimes an invasion is a part of defence response. I am surprised this concept is new to some people.

 

[jhungary]

Sometimes an invasion is a part of defence response. I am surprised this concept is new to some people.

That is not surprise nor new, that concept is just plain stupid.

Again, if you use invasion as a mean to defend one-self, the only possible outcome in this world is you draw more enemy to you, which you need to defend yourself more, so, shall we say more invasion??

It's under a dream for Putin to think sure, let's "Pre-empted" Ukraine to stop NATO from expanding to Ukraine. Any logical thinking with an IQ of over 85 would think if you do that, people are going to be more tilting toward NATO for defend. As in this case, invading 1 country, putting 3, 2 of which has been neutral for over 70+ years, to become your enemy.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

The world is not a jungle where you can go in and loot.

Idk where you get that impression, it seems to me that Ukraine has been thoroughly looted.

Russia now controls at least $12.4 trillion worth of Ukraine's energy, metal and mineral deposits, report says

News Summary: Moscow controls 63% of Ukraine's coal, 11% of its oil, 20% of its natural gas, and 42% of its metals, according to the Washington Post and SecDev. - Business Insider (United States)

beamstart.com

 

[gambit]

That is not surprise nor new, that concept is just plain stupid.

Again, if you use invasion as a mean to defend one-self, the only possible outcome in this world is you draw more enemy to you, which you need to defend yourself more, so, shall we say more invasion??

It's under a dream for Putin to think sure, let's "Pre-empted" Ukraine to stop NATO from expanding to Ukraine. Any logical thinking with an IQ of over 85 would think if you do that, people are going to be more tilting toward NATO for defend. As in this case, invading 1 country, putting 3, 2 of which has been neutral for over 70+ years, to become your enemy.

So first, Poutine was stupid to fall for an American trap, now Poutine is even more stupid to think that an invasion is a legitimate deterrence. Why do these people cheer for Poutine if he is so stupid?

 

[One_Nation]

That is not surprise nor new, that concept is just plain stupid.

Again, if you use invasion as a mean to defend one-self, the only possible outcome in this world is you draw more enemy to you, which you need to defend yourself more, so, shall we say more invasion??

It's under a dream for Putin to think sure, let's "Pre-empted" Ukraine to stop NATO from expanding to Ukraine. Any logical thinking with an IQ of over 85 would think if you do that, people are going to be more tilting toward NATO for defend. As in this case, invading 1 country, putting 3, 2 of which has been neutral for over 70+ years, to become your enemy.

You don't understand Russian dynamics. You just repeat what is taught to you. There is no comparison between those countries and Ukraine for Russia. They are very similar in terms of culture and heritage. Ukraine is very close to Russian heartland. Them joining Nato is like USA getting an enemy in Canada.
USA has planned this well and using Ukraine as cannon fodder.

 

[jhungary]

You don't understand Russian dynamics. You just repeat what is taught to you. There is no comparison between those countries and Ukraine for Russia. They are very similar in terms of culture and heritage. Ukraine is very close to Russian heartland. Them joining Nato is like USA getting an enemy in Canada.
USA has planned this well and using Ukraine as cannon fodder.

And you don't understand Ukrainian Dynamics. The more Russian push, the more they push back, Ukrainian is NOT Russian, just because they are close does not give Russian the right to dictate them. There are always going to be counties that next to Russia, so should they all just resign their faith and let Russia dictate their term? Or what do you think the Ukrainian should do? Give up their sovereignty and lay down their arms just because Russia is very similar in term of Culture and Heritage? How hard is it for you to understand if someone invade you, you fight to your death to defend your homeland, it does not matter if the people who invade you are your "Brothers". Oh, i am sorry, be because according to you, Ukrainian definitely did not get this memo.

On the other hand, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPEN if not for Russia to willingly invade Ukraine, so for this "Trap" to work, Russia needs to be a willing participant. Because make no mistake, Ukraine DID NOT start this war, Russian did. Blaming US in this is like blaming Russia for US invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein wants to be close to Russia.........

 

[Foinikas]

If Russia is comitting suidice,then why is Europe shutting down electric signs,lamp posts,puts restrictions on air conditioner,hot water and electric doors use?

Why is Europe stocking up on gas and worrying about a very difficult winter?

Russia won't starve,Russia won't have an energy problem. It's the idiots who insisted on cutting ties with Russia that will suffer.

 

[One_Nation]

And you don't understand Ukrainian Dynamics. The more Russian push, the more they push back, Ukrainian is NOT Russian, just because they are close does not give Russian the right to dictate them. There are always going to be counties that next to Russia, so should they all just resign their faith and let Russia dictate their term? Or what do you think the Ukrainian should do? Give up their sovereignty and lay down their arms just because Russia is very similar in term of Culture and Heritage? How hard is it for you to understand if someone invade you, you fight to your death to defend your homeland, it does not matter if the people who invade you are your "Brothers". Oh, i am sorry, be because according to you, Ukrainian definitely did not get this memo.

On the other hand, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPEN if not for Russia to willingly invade Ukraine, so for this "Trap" to work, Russia needs to be a willing participant. Because make no mistake, Ukraine DID NOT start this war, Russian did. Blaming US in this is like blaming Russia for US invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein wants to be close to Russia.........

Nothing new. Same thing again.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If Russia is comitting suidice,then why is Europe shutting down electric signs,lamp posts,puts restrictions on air conditioner,hot water and electric doors use?

Why is Europe stocking up on gas and worrying about a very difficult winter?

Russia won't starve,Russia won't have an energy problem. It's the idiots who insisted on cutting ties with Russia that will suffer.

European countries have no say. They are American vassals. They obey American orders.

 

[Foinikas]

European countries have no say. They are American vassals. They obey American orders.

Not all.

 

[fitpOsitive]

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August 7, 2022, 3:18 am
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It didn’t. He also failed to understand that excessive dependence works both ways: The Euros needed his oil and gas but he, in turn, completely relied on their market.

Put another way, Putin should have parked his Imperial ambitions in the West until he had diversified his customer base and built pipelines and Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facilities in the East to export to China, the world’s biggest energy buyer. Instead, he invaded Ukraine and then blackmailed and abused the rest of Europe which sent it scrambling to sign up new suppliers and alternative energy sources.

Putin also fails on the battlefield. Ukrainians valiantly fight back with Western firepower. Consider his current situation: He’s alienated Europe permanently. Even if he gets his quarry, Ukraine, it will be decimated and ungovernable. Russia’s army is damaged.

His economy has no future without European oil and gas purchases in the absence of a China market. The European Union and Britain impose sanctions and vow to end their reliance on Russian oil, gas and coal. Energy and food are the lifeblood of economies and Putin’s weaponization of both won’t be forgotten.

He cannot replace Europe’s market with China and other Asian markets for years and, besides, pipelines across vast territories are becoming obsolete when it comes to natural gas. LNG is the future of energy, relatively clean and powerful. Its popularity and portability by ship to anywhere in the world cheaply is growing exponentially, but Russia, with more gas than any nation on earth, has missed the boat and remains far behind in developing this technology.

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He cannot catch up now because the Western expertise and capital and companies that Putin has relied on to build the Russian oil and gas industry have fled in protest over the war. And Russians won’t be able to raise the hundreds of billions needed to build pipeline or LNG projects to link the Arctic and Siberian gas and oil fields to Asia.

The United States, Australia, and Qatar dominate the production and distribution of LNG. Their plants and terminals and fleets cost billions but deliver huge volumes gas safely with a minimum of emissions. The process consists of cooling gas to minus 162 degrees Celsius, which shrinks the gas’s volume by 600 times into a non-toxic liquid that is easy to store and transport.

One LNG ship, more than three football fields long and carrying five cryogenic tanks, delivers the equivalent of three day’s gas flow from Russia’s biggest gas European pipeline. They criss-cross the oceans constantly.

Germany is building several LNG terminals and the rest of Europe dozens more. Russian oil and coal is banned by law and gas boycotts are in the works. Germany is burning its own coal again, and nuclear facilities in France and Germany are being brought out of mothballs or enlarged.

Europeans have signed giant natural gas contracts with Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Azerbaijan, and negotiations are underway with Central Asia’s Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan as well as with the United States, Australia, Qatar and Norway.

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On the demand side, European countries are imposing strict conservation measures on industry and individuals to get through this winter because Putin threatens to stop gas altogether. In the longer term, Europe will transition to a post-Russia energy situation.

Worse for Putin, his much-vaunted energy deal with China isn’t worth the paper it was written on due to permanent geopolitical and geographic challenges. Dreams of vast amounts of gas transiting through pipelines across Siberia have been all but scuttled by costs, distances, terrain and construction challenges.

The cost of shipping LNG from the United States, Australia, or the Middle East to China and Asia is substantially lower and has made such projects unviable.

The most ambitious pipeline to pivot to China is the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline. The strategy is to link the fields in West Siberia, which now supply Europe, with China via Mongolia. An even crazier notion behind this was that the line would allow Moscow to arbitrage between European and Asian markets – a sort of Putin-like version of controlling the world. He wanted to weaponize gas markets but that’s not how they work.

Worse, even the most optimistic scenario — if such a link could be completed — is that Russian pipeline volumes to China would never match volumes to Europe. Besides that, they would fetch much lower prices because China would drive a hard bargain, in the knowledge that Russia was overly dependent on its business. Now the reality is that every nation in the world now realizes that Russia is not a trustworthy partner, neighbor, supplier or customer until there’s a regime change.

Russia is a commodity-based economy run by a dictator as a war machine. Since he took power, 11 million Russians have left. Attempts at manufacturing or technology have been abysmal failures. With Western help, Russia by 2021 was the world’s leading exporter of natural gas followed by the United States — a pre-eminence that will never return.

Now as Putin attempts to peddle his petroleum and LNG outside Europe, his companies find this is a tough sell. As one expert wrote: "Its isolation from the West has devastated Russia's strategic hand in negotiating with China and India, notoriously price-conscious buyers who retain close ties to other major commodity exporters.”

Notably, the price of Russian crude oil recently fell from a premium of $1.50 a barrel over the benchmark price to a discount of $25.80 a barrel, said Bloomberg.


His plan for conquest and control was flawed from the beginning. He belongs in a dock at The Hague, not in a palace or in charge of a country with a nuclear arsenal. He resurrected the Cold War and got America’s attention. He weaponized trade with a scheme to place all his export eggs in one basket – Europe -- then hold it hostage and force it to accept whatever peace deal he wanted to offer to Ukraine.

Instead, he united and strengthened NATO whose members back Ukraine. The only option for Europe and the world is to defeat Putin.

Russia's suicide

History will show that Vladimir Putin’s fatal miscalculation was his belief that Europe would buckle if he invaded Ukraine because of its excessive dependence on Russian energy.

news.yahoo.com

It's not suicide. It's called standing for own rights.

 

[Indos]

The same person like Bashar Al Assad who prefer to have war with their fellow countrymen when the best solution to hinder civil war by stepping down and prepare for election is not done. The same thing happened with Saddam Husein when he decided to attack Iran. The same thing like George Bush junior when he decided to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Not only Putin that has this behavior, even Indonesia has one, Soekarno, when he wanted to invade Singapore and Malaysia. He did bomb Singapore 50 times with impunity and wage war in Borneo island where his opponent is British/Australia/New Zealand/Nepal Gurka/Malaysia/Singapore combined

LOL in the middle of the war with basically all important Commonwealth Nations, he also wanted to have war with India to help Pakistan and has send 2 submarines/ some Migs and warships, but the Indo Pak war is stopped as soon as those submarines arrived in Karachi

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The same person like Bashar Al Assad who prefer to have war with their fellow countrymen when the best solution to hinder civil war by stepping down and prepare for election is not done. The same thing happened with Saddam Husein when he decided to attack Iran. The same thing like George Bush junior when he decided to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Not only Putin that has this behavior, even Indonesia has one, Soekarno, when he wanted to invade Singapore and Malaysia. He did bomb Singapore 50 times with impunity and wage war in Borneo island where his opponent is British/Australia/New Zealand/Nepal Gurka/Malaysia/Singapore combined

LOL in the middle of the war with basically all important Commonwealth Nations, he also wanted to have war with India to help Pakistan and has send 2 submarines/ some Migs and warships, but the Indo Pak war is stopped as soon as those submarines arrived in Karachi

Why should Assad step down for CIA funded terrorists?

 

[Catalystic]

Not sure what this will do but Darya Dugin was assassinated in Moscow (car bomb)……her dad is known to be Putins brain behind.

Surprised nobody talks on this news…..

 

[Indos]

Why should Assad step down for CIA funded terrorists?

Your statement is rubbish, you dont understand the matter, it is not only ISIS who fight Assad, ISIS comes later. Even ISIS dont see Assad regime as the focus, they just grab many of Syrian rebel territory. They weaken the rebellion cause.

They come from Iraq where Shiah vs Sunni fight had already happen longer than Syrian civil war

ISIS/AQ just weaken Islam cause