Russians better ally than Americans: Turkey may quit NATO

[xenon54 out]

Some time ago they provoked Russia unnecessarily and even shot down Russian plane. When putin deployed nuclear submarine and S400, they realized their mistake . Now they are planning to live nato . A totally dysfunctional foreign policy .

So when Pakistan violates Indian arispace and India shoots the plane down does it make India the provocateur?
Is that how things go in India?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If Turkey had chosen Russia in 1850s, most of the Western European would have been speaking in Russian...

Turkey was saved from Russia in 1850 by Great Britain and France.
If that did not happen, Russia would have a naval base in Constantinopel, by the beginning of WW1, after the annexation of what now forms modern Turkey.

 

[Bismarck]

Have you ever asked yourself. Is Turkey a trustable ally?

 

[xenon54 out]

Have you ever asked yourself. Is Turkey a trustable ally?

Who is trustable these days? I mean pkk's biggest financial source are our decades long European NATO Allies.

 

[what]

Have you ever asked yourself. Is Turkey a trustable ally?

Active in every NATO mission: check.

Allowed Americans and other coalition members to support YPG from Turkey in the fight against ISIS: check.

Americans ??

 

[Killuminati]

I dont care about your feelings about Russia and I dont want to even start about the negatives connected to an alliance with Russia and our relations to Europe and the EU. Russia does not regard PKK or YPG as terrorists, Americans do but try to act like YPG is different (while FBI, CIA acknowledge it).

Russia has supported PKK in the past.

Russia is supporting Armenia, Southern Cyprus.

Russia is occupying Crimea and parts of Georgia, this is a security matter for Turkey.

Russia violates Turkish airspace in the Black Sea from time to time.


Russia cannot be a Turkish ally, its just wishful thinking at best.

This applies equally well to US and EU. Only big difference is that Russia is our neighbor. Which alliance makes more sense then?

 

[Zhukov]

Sputnik

 

[mike2000 is back]

Lol fanboys talk . Until Turkey leaves NATO then we can take all this cheap propaganda seriously.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Turkey-Russia relations have been warming, but I cant see Turkey outright leaving NATO

Not unless the other members one day got fed up of the US and form a new defensive bloc.

Russia's sole interest is supporting Russia, I doubt the Russians would risk themselves defending another country unless they could gain something significant from it.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I dont care about your feelings about Russia and I dont want to even start about the negatives connected to an alliance with Russia and our relations to Europe and the EU. Russia does not regard PKK or YPG as terrorists, Americans do but try to act like YPG is different (while FBI, CIA acknowledge it).

Russia has supported PKK in the past.

Russia is supporting Armenia, Southern Cyprus.

Russia is occupying Crimea and parts of Georgia, this is a security matter for Turkey.

Russia violates Turkish airspace in the Black Sea from time to time.


Russia cannot be a Turkish ally, its just wishful thinking at best.

Why Turkey has to take sides and choose between two extremes? Be independent, leave NATO, that doesn't mean you have to join Russian camp, just don't be hostile to them.

America was blatantly involved in the failed regime change attempt in Turkey just recently. America and her allies are not saint either.

 

[Baybars Han]

Turkey was saved from Russia in 1850 by Great Britain and France.
If that did not happen, Russia would have a naval base in Constantinopel, by the beginning of WW1, after the annexation of what now forms modern Turkey.

No. After Russia moved towards balkans with the support of the local christians and vassals, we was defeated in that region as there was not a large military and rebellion from locals. Russia barely took over and won those wars in some parts, we had a larger army in constantinople and some in anatolia which could of easily regrouped and defeated the Russians from balkans.

Britain and France did not want Russia to move further, however, Russia did not have the necessary force from then on to take it anyways, otherwise you can be sure they would have, because Britain and France would not have gone to war with Russia for that. This was not the same as crimean war.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Some time ago they provoked Russia unnecessarily and even shot down Russian plane. When putin deployed nuclear submarine and S400, they realized their mistake . Now they are planning to live nato . A totally dysfunctional foreign policy .

Do you Indians always make the most retarded comments on this forum? thank you for your great geo-political strategic insights.

Turkey was saved from Russia in 1850 by Great Britain and France.
If that did not happen, Russia would have a naval base in Constantinopel, by the beginning of WW1, after the annexation of what now forms modern Turkey.

Actually no. Supporting orthodox rebellions in the balkans and conquering Istanbul is a whole new ball game. Russian would have, if they could but couldn't. If you are talking about 1900s then ok but not 1850.

Do you still call New York by its old name, New Amsterdam?

Haha lol, people who say Russia is a trustworthy ally is retard and has 0 knowledge of history or international relations.

Agreed, its because the people on this forum don't and didn't share a border with the Russia and their orthodox & slavic brothers. They forgot when Russia was trying to reach warm waters not far from there country.

Remember Russian jets can shoot down western counterparts from the sky like flies LOL, according to the same Russian fanboys, apparently Chinese knock offs to haha....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Actually no. Supporting orthodox rebellions in the balkans and conquering Istanbul is a whole new ball game. Russian would have, if they could but couldn't. If you are talking about 1900s then ok but not 1850.

Do you still call New York by its old name, New Amsterdam?

The Russians were stopped in their tracks by the Crimean War.
Their goal was free passage to the Mediterranean.
Obviously a hypothetical scenario does not have a certain outcome,
but the Crimean War made sure it remained hypothetical.

If the Russians had captured the city,
renaming it to Constantinople would not be far off.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

The Russians were stopped in their tracks by the Crimean War.
Their goal was free passage to the Mediterranean.
Obviously a hypothetical scenario does not have a certain outcome,
but the Crimean War made sure it remained hypothetical.

If the Russians had captured the city,
renaming it to Constantinople would not be far off.

You been addressed on this already.

Do you mean Istanbul? Does that come from Butthurt?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You been addressed on this already.

Do you mean Istanbul? Does that come from Butthurt?

The Ottoman Empire was in its last breath in the nineteenth century.
Then it was saved by the West, and then chose to ally itself with the West after WW2.
Maybe You will now claim now that Turkey alone would have beat the Soviet Union easily in 1946...