Russian warships unleash massive response near Japan

[Hack-Hook]

American nuked it TWICE.

Didn't killed even half as much as Tokyo firebombing

When did Japan out of all country threatened anybody? It doesn't even have a expedition task force.

Whenever they had power to do it.

 

[Beast]

When did Japan out of all country threatened anybody? It doesn't even have a expedition task force.

That would be a loss to human kind and world heritage. That's like barbarians shitting all over pristine paradise.

It did now.. you think the 2 LSD and LHD JMSDF build are for defense purpose? They are designed to invade and land on other land.

 

[Leishangthem]

It did now.. you think the 2 LSD and LHD JMSDF build are for defense purpose? They are designed to invade and land on other land.

JMSDF -JAPAN MARITIME "SELF DEFENSE" FORCE.
If Japan dismantled their navy,Korea/russia/china will claim all the islands that are also claimed by Japan. For a nation with that scale of economy and development,their military posture should be of much bigger. The likes of France,UK ,Netherlands,Australia shouldn't enter the power circle between China & Japan. Japan should modernize its military with nuclear option ,only an imposing Japan will be able to act independently and also prevent China from being punitive just for local political theatre and that will help maintain peace and order in whole of asia.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Then Japan must promise not to threaten other countries and consider becoming a permanently neutral country.

i think people of japan are pretty neutral
Its just their govt international contracts signed last century troubling them

 

[OIO]

i think people of japan are pretty neutral
Its just their govt international contracts signed last century troubling them

Japan is still an ally of the United States. How can it remain neutral?

 

[MH.Yang]

JMSDF -JAPAN MARITIME "SELF DEFENSE" FORCE.
If Japan dismantled their navy,Korea/russia/china will claim all the islands that are also claimed by Japan. For a nation with that scale of economy and development,their military posture should be of much bigger. The likes of France,UK ,Netherlands,Australia shouldn't enter the power circle between China & Japan. Japan should modernize its military with nuclear option ,only an imposing Japan will be able to act independently and also prevent China from being punitive just for local political theatre and that will help maintain peace and order in whole of asia.

You should go to Nanjing to see the "mass graves". That is physical evidence.

 

[Leishangthem]

You should go to Nanjing to see the "mass graves". That is physical evidence.



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Those aren't mass graves from Nanjing,those are from Manchuria mass grave.There are plenty of mass graves spread all across china,legacy from Mongol invasion, the warring period to civil war .

" We can’t believe that the Chinese would commit such crimes against the Chinese”- People who lived through the warring period and civil war period.

A week or so before the Japanese attack on Nanking, on November 28, 1937, the head of the Police Department of Nanking, Mr. Wan, announced at a press conference for foreigners, “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking.”

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was a group of Westerners remaining in Nanking, announced : “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking”; five days after the Japanese occupation, on December 18, 1937.

The International Committee On January 14, 1938, about one month after the Japanese occupation- "The population of Nanking had increased to about 250,000."

Would people remain ,let alone flock to a region deemed ground zero for massacre?

The Red Swastika Society is a voluntary association founded in China in 1922 by Qian Nengxun, recorded the figure was 40k burials in Nanjing,that's your death toll for battle.Only 0.3 percent consisted of women and children. The burial list has the distinction of sex and rough age.

 

[MH.Yang]

Those aren't mass graves from Nanjing,those are from Manchuria mass grave.There are plenty of mass graves spread all across china,legacy from Mongol invasion, the warring period to civil war .

" We can’t believe that the Chinese would commit such crimes against the Chinese”- People who lived through the warring period and civil war period.

A week or so before the Japanese attack on Nanking, on November 28, 1937, the head of the Police Department of Nanking, Mr. Wan, announced at a press conference for foreigners, “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking.”

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was a group of Westerners remaining in Nanking, announced : “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking”; five days after the Japanese occupation, on December 18, 1937.

The International Committee On January 14, 1938, about one month after the Japanese occupation- "The population of Nanking had increased to about 250,000."

Would people remain ,let alone flock to a region deemed ground zero for massacre?

The Red Swastika Society is a voluntary association founded in China in 1922 by Qian Nengxun, recorded the figure was 40k burials in Nanjing,that's your death toll for battle.Only 0.3 percent consisted of women and children. The burial list has the distinction of sex and rough age.

Go to the mass grave at jiangdongmen in Nanjing. There are nearly 30000 white bones in the mass grave alone.

Those aren't mass graves from Nanjing,those are from Manchuria mass grave.There are plenty of mass graves spread all across china,legacy from Mongol invasion, the warring period to civil war .

" We can’t believe that the Chinese would commit such crimes against the Chinese”- People who lived through the warring period and civil war period.

A week or so before the Japanese attack on Nanking, on November 28, 1937, the head of the Police Department of Nanking, Mr. Wan, announced at a press conference for foreigners, “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking.”

The International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone, which was a group of Westerners remaining in Nanking, announced : “About 200,000 people still live here in Nanking”; five days after the Japanese occupation, on December 18, 1937.

The International Committee On January 14, 1938, about one month after the Japanese occupation- "The population of Nanking had increased to about 250,000."

Would people remain ,let alone flock to a region deemed ground zero for massacre?

The Red Swastika Society is a voluntary association founded in China in 1922 by Qian Nengxun, recorded the figure was 40k burials in Nanjing,that's your death toll for battle.Only 0.3 percent consisted of women and children. The burial list has the distinction of sex and rough age.

After investigation, the military court for the trial of war criminals in World War II ruled that there were 28 cases of collective massacres by the Japanese army, with 190000 people slaughtered; There were 858 sporadic massacres and 150000 deaths, with a total death toll of more than 300000.

How can some non-governmental organizations remaining in the Japanese occupied areas have the correct death figures. The figures from the interrogation of war criminals and the counting of corpses are correct.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Japan is still an ally of the United States. How can it remain neutral?

Pakistan is and has also been an ally of US, ......"in books"

How Japan became Ally to US> when US annihilated their two cities... Do you think Japanese forgot it?

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Go to the mass grave at jiangdongmen in Nanjing. There are nearly 30000 white bones in the mass grave alone.

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After investigation, the military court for the trial of war criminals in World War II ruled that there were 28 cases of collective massacres by the Japanese army, with 190000 people slaughtered; There were 858 sporadic massacres and 150000 deaths, with a total death toll of more than 300000.

How can some non-governmental organizations remaining in the Japanese occupied areas have the correct death figures. The figures from the interrogation of war criminals and the counting of corpses are correct.

tell me a single War in human history without War Crimes?

Power destroys Human Minds... So is True for China.. Be careful when power comes to hands of you..otherwise it will not be long when other will talk same about China

 

[OIO]

Pakistan is and has also been an ally of US, ......"in books"

How Japan became Ally to US> when US annihilated their two cities... Do you think Japanese forgot it?

Japan and Pakistan are not the same. Japan belongs to the Western camp. The United States has very deep control over Japan, not just military bases. There are also pro-China factions in Japan, but they will be assassinated by the United States once the pro-China factions come to power.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Russia needs a modern destroyer to counter Japanese navy. Gorshkov frigate is good but it's no match for Japan's new Mogami frigates and it is too few in numbers to be meaningful.

 

[Leishangthem]

Go to the mass grave at jiangdongmen in Nanjing. There are nearly 30000 white bones in the mass grave alone.

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After investigation, the military court for the trial of war criminals in World War II ruled that there were 28 cases of collective massacres by the Japanese army, with 190000 people slaughtered; There were 858 sporadic massacres and 150000 deaths, with a total death toll of more than 300000.

How can some non-governmental organizations remaining in the Japanese occupied areas have the correct death figures. The figures from the interrogation of war criminals and the counting of corpses are correct.

You can read Japanese history books from west or those translated from japan, it reveals that there has never been an instance of public execution in Japan since the Meiji Restoration of 1868. In contrast, the Chinese still publicly executed criminals in the 1930s, and some people recorded such scenes with their cameras as shown below , published in Japan in 1938.

the bones and all of those executed must be staked up somewhere? like it's reported all over china. Even if that's 30k white bones,white bones =/= 30k body,that's not 300K massacre as claimed by the memorial.The memorial was created in 1985,the same year the bones were excavated,85 is the year when China actually started pushing the Nanking massacre,there was no such issue in wide-scale before 80s. Mao himself claimed "Japan managed to do nothing in Nanjing".

How can some non-governmental organizations remaining in the Japanese occupied areas have the correct death figures. The figures from the interrogation of war criminals and the counting of corpses are correct.

Interrogation of war criminals? Not even a single Japanese testified for any occurance of massacre in Tokyo Trials.
Even the chief witness,the western figures that fomented the nanking case ,in collaboration with KMT- the likes of -Bates-timperley( He's the one who penned the first monograph accusing the Japanese army of committing atrocities at nanjing, was an adviser to the Chinese Nationalist Party’s [Guomindang (GMD)] central propaganda bureau) -rabe(he was responsible for Nanking safety zone) testified that they personally never seen any massacre or rape themselves,they all apparently "heard" ,just like US agents hears about forced labour in Xinjiang without personally ever witnessing any forced labour.And those 3 are the orchestrator
No corpse was counted in the scale you are imagining,Nanking would be flooded by dead bodies if 300k bodes were there. Where's 300k corpse of civilians?


Do study more about the nature and protocal of international war and the mission of the foreign NGO and missionaries during war of that era, especially concerning china during civil war era with no sole legimate gov .The NGOs were pivotal in keeping thecivil order during that era.
Just because it's a war and back in 30s,doesn't mean foreign army would simply invade cities,with no warning, and without predetermined security measures for woman and civilians,there's a protocol,otherwise the international press and the rest of the western nations that were circling Japan like Hyena and scrutinizing its every move, would have a field's day.The Nanking war is not like some local warlord attack that was common in China at that time.

Don't ignore the fact that Japan wasn't fighting China whole but only KMT's army,that were left behind,after Chiang kai sek had fled the city while leaving his man as cannon fodder.
Nanking citizens that were anti kmt's dictatorship might as well have welcomed the Japanese(if you think Tsai's gov is bad, imagine KMT's dictatorship in 30s) . Japan had no reason nor the advantage in massacring the Chinese civilians,the Chinese overall weren't the enemy, Japanese themselves were collaborating with Wang Jinwei and Sun Yat sen,the so called father of Modern China had a treaty signed with Japan ,and a massacre of Chinese civilians is self-defeating,and unlike the ideology of Japanese military .

Before the invasion,the civilians were fully informed and Nanking safety zone was created by collaboration of the foreign missions in the city for protection of the civilians.

So your remark indicate the lack of research and proper understanding of the working mechanism and protocols of that era.
Those people responsible for set up and maintaining the Nanking Safety Zone were some of the most relevant people in the international trial. It's their work that helped foment the case about Nanjing massacre.

After investigation, the military court for the trial of war criminals in World War II ruled that there were 28 cases of collective massacres by the Japanese army, with 190000 people slaughtered; There were 858 sporadic massacres and 150000 deaths, with a total death toll of more than 300000.

First of all,Tokyo Trial was an illegal setup , meant to vilify Japan and justify the US actions in pacific.It's not legitimate and has no precedent based on the consistency of any international law.It's hopeless to think you would get a fair trial when it's staged,and hosted by the victor of a war.

The International Military Tribunal for the Far East (Tokyo Trial) used the burial records of about 40,000 bodies by the Red Swastika Society. The Tribunal also used the burial records of 112,267 bodies by the Chung Shan Tang (Tsung Shan Tong), a 140-year-old charitable organization. The combined total was about 155,000 not 200k.

But the issue with Chung Shan Tang 's figure is,the 112,267 number was actually prepared right before for the tribunal many years after the war ended . Imagine preparing civilian casualty figure by Uyghur congress before any Uyghur Tribunal trial? will this be accepted in any serious and fair legal proceeds?

Their burial reports also showed a rather disproportionate number of the bodies buried each month. In the first four month (100 days) they recorded 7,549 bodies, about 75 per day. In the last three weeks in April when they went outside the city walls,however, they claimed to have buried an additional 104,718, about 5,000 bodies per day.

But none of the documents which were written by members of the International Committee in Nanking or the Japanese authorities in Nanking mentioned that the Tsun Shan Tang was engaged in the burial work, they had actually buried no bodies themselves. They came out of nowhere with a 112,267 figure during the trial.
40k figure provide by Red Swastika ,is itself increased from 15k ,which is properly authenticated.


Regarding this picture

This has already been knows as another of those staged/doctored pics from KMT propaganda bureau.


The uniform’s collar is a turned-up collar variant.

The Japanese army issued its ordinance nos. 392-94 to effectuate this change in uniform style on May 31, 1938, much later than Nanking war. This ordinance was followed by a directive that obliged the army personnel to keep wearing the old uniform as long as they could. As a result, army documents indicate that the transition from the old uniform to the new one was still in progress that went on till many years late,upto 1939.Hence cannot have been taken in or around Nanking from end-1937.

IMO,we don't know exactly how many civilians died during the war,as far as more reliable fact is concerned it's different ,and I would not base my opinion based on pics ,when it has been proven again and again how they used misleading pics ,film scenes,and that the propaganda bureau of KMT staged photoshoots nor the Japanese would like to have photo op about atrocity before chinese and foreign correspondents,that's such a dumb notion to hold .

I would perfer to just accept what's more realistic .Such political threatre by carrying the western narrative of japanese atrocities and also KMT's pro west propaganda ,is simply towing the US political line about japan ,not fit for the current Chinese stance of anti-US war ideology.I despise US narrative on Japan.That's kowtowing to the west and their narrative for invasion of asia.

 

[SD 10]

japan is literally one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to war crimes.... for a moment they have taken up the liberal cloak but we will see how much have they changed if they really have?

 

[MH.Yang]

Go to the mass grave at jiangdongmen in Nanjing. There are nearly 30000 white bones in the mass grave alone.

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After investigation, the military court for the trial of war criminals in World War II ruled that there were 28 cases of collective massacres by the Japanese army, with 190000 people slaughtered; There were 858 sporadic massacres and 150000 deaths, with a total death toll of more than 300000.

How can some non-governmental organizations remaining in the Japanese occupied areas have the correct death figures. The figures from the interrogation of war criminals and the counting of corpses are correct.

If you choose to deny the authenticity of all the evidence, or even the legitimacy of the International Court of anti fascist allies. Then there's nothing to talk about. According to your logic, anyone can deny anything.

PS: Mao Zedong never denied the Nanjing Massacre, which is a rumor made up by the Japanese right wing.


The Japanese right wing wants to deny the crime by act shamelessly, but this practice is only suitable for dealing with Koreans. The Chinese will directly leave enough nuclear weapons to the Japanese, no matter how doing the Japanese right wing is.