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[cabatli_53]

And your response will fail miserably. That is the point.

My friend, Do you have anything to say in order to prove me wrong about Russian blacksea fleet or Youwill keep telling me How Russian aircrafts will help Blacksea Navy, How one submarine will destroy all Turkish fleet or How other Russian ships will come to help for survive ?

yeah, and calling navy ships with superior weapons as rusty junk is objective analize coming from you Btw Turkish ships are not equipped with Harpoon II so their range is irrelevant

My friend, If you keep talking about the things you don't have any idea, You would have been falled into so bad situations against all those members so You should better keep your silence abut such things and never claim the things you don't have any idea...

 

[LeGenD]

Notwithstanding what you say they are still a part of Nato and as the largest contributor being America clearly they have the most influence, unless Turkey was to leave Nato which I doubt they would consider America has considerable hold over Turkey policy. As Islamabad found out to it's cost at the regional Afghani conference last year in Turkey

US-Turkish alliance is based on mutual benefits to both sides.

And Turkey does have its say in its affairs.

 

[lem34]

US-Turkish alliance is based on mutual benefits to both sides.

And Turkey does have its say in its affairs.

Yea we can see we are not blind when push came to shove Turkey backed nato on Libya.

When push came to shove the missile shield Turkey agreed

 

[ptldM3]

Noone is underestimating the Russian Navy. Russia is a big country indeed but Those are welknown facts typed with the names of the ships and taken from a reliable source. Nothing is secret. Russian Blacksea fleet can't be on par with Turkish Navy in every field. Which part of it is hard to understand ?

According to what? Did you personally inspect all of the Russian warships in the Black Sea fleet? Do Turkish naval vessels even have the ability to engage Russian warships before the Russian engage?

BTW, Good chances for hunting all Turkish navy with a few submarines or wait help from N. Pole and Bering sea fleets

Firstly Russian submarine far outnumber Turkeys, second of all the location of submarines is always kept secret, you must be naïve to think that Russian submarines simply patrol the North pole or Bering sea.

( Even If they arrive Mediterranean sea, They can't pass through Turkish straits for help but Interesting part of the story is How they will find fuel enough to turn back, Even If they manage to survive ) Ahh sorry, You will also need an icebreaker to be in correct place in time as well...

Apparently you don’t know what nuclear power means, a nuclear powered submarine does not need fuel, it can stay at sea indefinitely. But than I didn’t think you would know that since Turkey has no nuclear powered submarines.

And what makes you think that a Russian submarine can't pass through the Turkish straits? Russian submarine have been know to penetrate deep in US waters what makes you think Turkey is special?

BTW, Do you know How many Anti-SubmarineWarfare aircrafts-helicopters Turkish navy operates ? or How strong domestic sonar systems stationed/keep statining all around the homeland to detect underwater threats ?

And what makes you think that those sonar’s can pick up a Russian submarine? Russian submarines use anechoic tiles that reduce sonar signature.

 

[ptldM3]

I checked your mighty navy. As expected your ships are equipped with junk Harpoon anti-ship missles with a range of 124km Do you know that just one cruiser Moskva has 16 supersonic anti-ship missles with a range of 550km? Do you understand it will be enough to sink all your frigates? What are u gonna do with such junk against Russian navy?

I will not even bring here TU-22 and TU-160 their pilots will be more than happy to practice live shooting on Black sea targets

It is also armed with 700km missles. Chances are, anything that wants to engage the Moskva will be sunk or damaged before it is able to take a shot. It's like bringing a spoon to a gun fight.

 

[Vassnti]

According to what? Did you personally inspect all of the Russian warships in the Black Sea fleet? Do Turkish naval vessels even have the ability to engage Russian warships before the Russian engage?

Firstly Russian submarine far outnumber Turkeys, second of all the location of submarines is always kept secret, you must be naïve to think that Russian submarines simply patrol the North pole or Bering sea.

Apparently you don’t know what nuclear power means, a nuclear powered submarine does not need fuel, it can stay at sea indefinitely. But than I didn’t think you would know that since Turkey has no nuclear powered submarines.

And what makes you think that a Russian submarine can't pass through the Turkish straits? Russian submarine have been know to penetrate deep in US waters what makes you think Turkey is special?.

Two miles wide only 100m deep and an active sonar system in place i cant think of a place to give a sub driver more nightmares.

Yup subs are big secrets like that there are now only 9 serviceable Akula in the Russian navy 6 deployed to the northern fleet and 3 to the pacific not counting K-152 which is some where in India.

The black sea sub fleet is 247th submarine battalion with 2 diesel boats the Alrosa and DPL "B-380" so sorry no nuclear subs in the black sea.

So surface fleet comparison yes it was so cruel and incorrect to call the whole black sea fleet rusting hulks, its only some of them such as the Ochakov

 

[LeGenD]

Yea we can see we are not blind when push came to shove Turkey backed nato on Libya.

When push came to shove the missile shield Turkey agreed

It is not always easy to say NO to a superpower. But sometimes, their are cases in which it is possible to exercise some freedom and defend national interests.

Since we are talking about military capabilities of Turkey! Read this:

Read this: Turkey's Booming Defense Industry

Turkey is an important partner of US - it even has invested in F-35 program. However, Turkey has some plans to make it less dependent on US for its needs in the future.

These developments do not guarantee that US influence will be minimized. US influence has GLOBAL REACH and not just Turkey. However, nations with some indigenous industrial capability will have more say in their affairs.

 

[Gessler]

@legend

^^Turkey is improving its defense industry no doubt, but comparing it to a matured industry
like the Russian one (which sells $13-14 billion worth weapons to the world each year) is not at all fair.

The F35 is at the best a waste of money IMO. It cannot even supercruise. Don't want to
compare that to PAK-FA, eh?



Russia also has influence around the world. It might not be as big as that of US, but Rossiya does have
its own inlfluence no doubt.

Turkey's defense purchases from US will be minimized after turkey learns to builds its own weapons
and cater for own needs, but they will ALWAYS need to have US with them to hold any political
weight in serious international affairs.

 

[killerx]

the radar is to protect iran or russia

 

[Bombay Dude]

Turkish Fanboys Never Cease to Amaze me

 

[silko]

Yea we can see we are not blind when push came to shove Turkey backed nato on Libya.

we only took part in weapons embargo operations, in other words Ship! not air operations.

When push came to shove the missile shield Turkey agreed

maybe you want to read up on that, US agreed to station reapers in Incirlik to help us in our fight against PKK and because of that we said ok to defence shield.

Turkish Fanboys Never Cease to Amaze me

nor does Russia fanboys

 

[SHAHED]

the radar is to protect iran or russia

BOTH like NATO

we only took part in weapons embargo operations, in other words Ship! not air operations.



maybe you want to read up on that, US agreed to station reapers in Incirlik to help us in our fight against PKK and because of that we said ok to defence shield.



nor does Russia fanboys

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