Russian FM arrived Pakistan on Two days official visit - MoFA Pakistan .

[nahtanbob]

Well, actually they cost your country a lot more than you bargained for.
Our pilots flew those aircraft for
DACT ( Dissimilar air combat training) which enabled us to dink your Mig 21 ( "The Tea is Fantastic" ). Also by having our Chinese allies look at these aircraft ( particularly their engines and electronics) , we were able to work with them and move forward out of the "100 hour engine life ". F-6 era , and develop F-7s, and much later the JF-17s.
Since our prime enemy ( that means the fascist regime next door ) , flew most of these type of aircraft ( excluding Su-22s) , sharing the performances of these aircraft with out ally China further strengthened our relationship. Our help to the aviation industry of our Chinese allies has not been forgotten. The dividends have been many times.



Face it .. Our prime source of weapons, is not Russia but our prime ally China, which has $$$$$$ and an economy three times that of Russia and India combined.
( On 2020 figures, China $14.7 T , India $2.6 T, Russia $1.4 T ) . The Chinese have Su-35s too, and learning from them. Your ex-buddies also sold them RD-93 engines which we then buy for our JF-17 fighters .
Knock ! Knock ! Reality check,
It is not 1971 anymore .



Your ignorance is profound. The phrase "warm water" is used not for a holiday resort ( The Russians have Sochi ) but for strategic access. In this era every military power needs access to the Persian Gulf and Red Sea.
Ask your ex-buddy Lavrov why his country is interested ( Link ) , and why he is in Pakistan. He could just have flown over and never bothered. The agreement over the long cherished access was made five years back even as the harbor was under development.
Indian discomfort ( Link ) is evident
Look what your favorite hack has to say.

What do you think the F-7 or J-7 in the PAF are ?? MiG-21 are dime a dozen if you need one for dissimilar training

If Chinese are supplying Pakistan with weapons who needs Russia ? Russian FM made a long visit for nothing. Russians have certain weapon systems China does not have. Those cost $$$

Russia has no geographical border with Pakistan. The China and CARs separate them. You are 40 years late to the game. The warm water access makes no difference.

"In this era every military power needs access to the Persian Gulf and Red Sea."
We are moving away from hydrocarbons

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Russia has no geographical border with Pakistan.

If India can dream up as "neighbour of Iran" or "sharing border with Afgjanistan" I think so can Pakistan given that CAR's have large numbers of Russians living there and Russia regardss them as it's soft belly. Russia proper is not that far north of Islamabad either.

 

[Baibars_1260]

What do you think the F-7 or J-7 in the PAF are ?? MiG-21 are dime a dozen if you need one for dissimilar training

Knock, Knock! Reality check . Read your History.
We had NO F-7s throughout the Soviet Afghan conflict. Our main fighter was the F-6 .
We got our first basic F-7P "Skybolt" planes ( very few ) in 1988 by which time the Soviets had wound down their Afghan occupation. The induction of the F-7s were slow paced thought the late 1980s to the mid 1990s. The early F-7P Skybolts were inferior to the hundreds of Mig 21 " Mongols" used by the IAF, and far more inferior to the upgraded Mig 21 Fishbeds in use by the Afghan Air Force.
The Afghan Air Force, and the Soviet VVS fielded upgraded Mig 21s, Su-22s, Mig 23s, Su-25s, and Su-7s We had nothing comparable to these aircraft in our inventory in 1979 except perhaps a handful of Mirage 3s.
In 1979 we still had vintage Sabre F-86s as reserves. The F-6s were the backbone.
We only started retiring the F-6s in 2002, when the first "comparatively advanced" F-7 PGs were inducted.
In the 1980s we learned much from the captured Soviet and Afghan Air Force planes.
So your statement that Mig 21s being a "dime a dozen" shows a profound lack of knowledge.

If Chinese are supplying Pakistan with weapons who needs Russia ? Russian FM made a long visit for nothing. Russians have certain weapon systems China does not have. Those cost $$$

We don't need Russia for our weapons. Certain technologies like communications would be useful, but these can be obtained from China as well .
Knock ! Knock ! Have you noticed the statement on weapons sales to fight " terrorism " is coming from Lavrov, not from any Pakistani source. The Russians do want $$ for. whatever they can sell .

Russia has no geographical border with Pakistan. The China and CARs separate them. You are 40 years late to the game. The warm water access makes no difference.

Reality Check : Through Afghanistan Russian troops were on our borders.
It is Russia ( or your buddies the former Soviet Union) that is late to the game. Russia has no access to the Arabian Sea or the Indian Ocean . Which is why capturing first Afghanistan, and then Baluchistan, would have ensured that . Instead of co-operating with Pakistan, they chose to attack us, and paid a heavy price.
Russia is wiser now. The Belt and Road initiative from China will ensure Russia's access to Arabian Sea , and Russia can export its goods overland to North Africa instead of being constrained in the Black Sea by Turkey.

"In this era every military power needs access to the Persian Gulf and Red Sea."
We are moving away from hydrocarbons

Who is talking hydro-carbons ? Movement of finished goods, agricultural products, and raw materials, need safe economic transportation corridors. There should be safe overland routes for tourism, as well as cultural people to people contacts. Which is what the Belt and Road Initiatives is all about. Russia and Pakistan have connections through the Central Asian states.

Knock ! Knock ! Reality check.
Pakistan's cultural and ethnic people to people connections lie in Central and West Asia. Russia has connections and interests in Central Asia also . Russia has autonomous republics in its Federation with a religious affinity to Pakistan... A Daghastani has a religious affinity to a Baltistani.

We have more cultural and ethnic interests in common with Russia than with any country in South Asia ( and that includes our only South Asian enemy neighbor).

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Those "free" aircraft will cost you a lot more than you bargained for

Face it Pakistan does not have the $$$ to acquire even 40 Su-35s

What are Russians going to do with warm waters ? If they want warm waters they fly to Greece or Spain or Italy On a serious note you are 40 years too late to that game. that is a deal that will look attractive in 1979

732 million open defectors like you are the LAST people on earth to talk about cash.............. :

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[Meengla]

Obviously, well it's not like you guys get high-level visits from Russia every year. Is it the first time in a decade or two?

Optics aside, you know that Russia is not a 'friend' of India for a long time. And that's understandable because India decided to be in the lap of the USA despite public denials, but foreign strategic thinkers are not stupid.

They say that one can't ride two boats at the same time but Indians have tried to ride THREE boats at the same time: Chummy with China, Russia and the United States. The Chinese boat was always about appeasing China: Big trade surplus for China in the hope of keeping China neutral over Kashmir or letting the Arunachul Pradesh issue be forgotten. The Russian boat was not only about appeasing Russia by buying weapons with potential gain of a UNSC Veto but also about the Indian defense industry and contractors have too many lucrative connections with Russia. The 3rd boat is the United States of America which is India's best (and ONLY!) hope and Indians are rightly focusing on that--sort of trying to Not-so-subtly follow the Israeli model of steering the American foreign policy.

This 3rd boat is the best for India and Indians know that. It has BIG REWARDS if it succeeds. But it's rewards are capped by geography, especially with a Pakistan-Russia-China combine thwarting the American-led-Indian-blooded drive in the region. Pakistan has the land access to the low population, energy rich 'Stans' and Iran. India doesn't. India has access to the, no offense, the over-populated, poor South East Asia and South Asian countries. And until there are some Giant Drones on the commands of some automation engines, then geography, demographics, and the Earth's resources are going to be the drivers of the human economy.

 

[Bambi]

Optics aside, you know that Russia is not a 'friend' of India for a long time. And that's understandable because India decided to be in the lap of the USA despite public denials, but foreign strategic thinkers are not stupid.

They say that one can't ride two boats at the same time but Indians have tried to ride THREE boats at the same time: Chummy with China, Russia and the United States. The Chinese boat was always about appeasing China: Big trade surplus for China in the hope of keeping China neutral over Kashmir or letting the Arunachul Pradesh issue be forgotten. The Russian boat was not only about appeasing Russia by buying weapons with potential gain of a UNSC Veto but also about the Indian defense industry and contractors have too many lucrative connections with Russia. The 3rd boat is the United States of America which is India's best (and ONLY!) hope and Indians are rightly focusing on that--sort of trying to Not-so-subtly follow the Israeli model of steering the American foreign policy.

This 3rd boat is the best for India and Indians know that. It has BIG REWARDS if it succeeds. But it's rewards are capped by geography, especially with a Pakistan-Russia-China combine thwarting the American-led-Indian-blooded drive in the region. Pakistan has the land access to the low population, energy rich 'Stans' and Iran. India doesn't. India has access to the, no offense, the over-populated, poor South East Asia and South Asian countries. And until there are some Giant Drones on the commands of some automation engines, then geography, demographics, and the Earth's resources are going to be the drivers of the human economy.

India has access to the, no offense, the over-populated, poor South East Asia and South Asian countries

Forgetting about ASEAN countries?
I think they are rich and hate someone

 

[nahtanbob]

Knock, Knock! Reality check . Read your History.
We had NO F-7s throughout the Soviet Afghan conflict. Our main fighter was the F-6 .
We got our first basic F-7P "Skybolt" planes ( very few ) in 1988 by which time the Soviets had wound down their Afghan occupation. The induction of the F-7s were slow paced thought the late 1980s to the mid 1990s. The early F-7P Skybolts were inferior to the hundreds of Mig 21 " Mongols" used by the IAF, and far more inferior to the upgraded Mig 21 Fishbeds in use by the Afghan Air Force.
The Afghan Air Force, and the Soviet VVS fielded upgraded Mig 21s, Su-22s, Mig 23s, Su-25s, and Su-7s We had nothing comparable to these aircraft in our inventory in 1979 except perhaps a handful of Mirage 3s.
In 1979 we still had vintage Sabre F-86s as reserves. The F-6s were the backbone.
We only started retiring the F-6s in 2002, when the first "comparatively advanced" F-7 PGs were inducted.
In the 1980s we learned much from the captured Soviet and Afghan Air Force planes.
So your statement that Mig 21s being a "dime a dozen" shows a profound lack of knowledge.

China has J-7s or license copies of it since 1960s. How hard is it to examine one in China ?
Egypt (a cold war ally of USA) had MiG-21s.
11,496 aircraft with 64 operators is dime a dozen with respect to modern combat aircraft.

We don't need Russia for our weapons. Certain technologies like communications would be useful, but these can be obtained from China as well .
Knock ! Knock ! Have you noticed the statement on weapons sales to fight " terrorism " is coming from Lavrov, not from any Pakistani source. The Russians do want $$ for. whatever they can sell .

I do not disagree here. Except that Pakistan does not have $$$ to make large purchases
40 Su-35s was an example of a deal that can be made with money. China does not make any equivalent equipment to Mi-17, Mi-35, S-400, Su-35

It is Russia ( or your buddies the former Soviet Union) that is late to the game. Russia has no access to the Arabian Sea or the Indian Ocean . Which is why capturing first Afghanistan, and then Baluchistan, would have ensured that . Instead of co-operating with Pakistan, they chose to attack us, and paid a heavy price.
Russia is wiser now. The Belt and Road initiative from China will ensure Russia's access to Arabian Sea , and Russia can export its goods overland to North Africa instead of being constrained in the Black Sea by Turkey.



Who is talking hydro-carbons ? Movement of finished goods, agricultural products, and raw materials, need safe economic transportation corridors. There should be safe overland routes for tourism, as well as cultural people to people contacts. Which is what the Belt and Road Initiatives is all about. Russia and Pakistan have connections through the Central Asian states.

Knock ! Knock ! Reality check.
Pakistan's cultural and ethnic people to people connections lie in Central and West Asia. Russia has connections and interests in Central Asia also . Russia has autonomous republics in its Federation with a religious affinity to Pakistan... A Daghastani has a religious affinity to a Baltistani.

We have more cultural and ethnic interests in common with Russia than with any country in South Asia ( and that includes our only South Asian enemy neighbor).

during the cold war USSR had reasons. Being dependent on China to access Pakistan is not something Russia likes.

There are safe transportation corridors by sea. I have no idea why economic activity will increase with land corridors

You can talk about cultural affinity with Arabs, Afghans, Iranians, Dagestanis. It is a 2-way street. I have no idea how other groups view Pakistanis. In every country in the West where Indians/Pakistanis emigrate you are always clubbed with Indians

Optics aside, you know that Russia is not a 'friend' of India for a long time. And that's understandable because India decided to be in the lap of the USA despite public denials, but foreign strategic thinkers are not stupid.

They say that one can't ride two boats at the same time but Indians have tried to ride THREE boats at the same time: Chummy with China, Russia and the United States. The Chinese boat was always about appeasing China: Big trade surplus for China in the hope of keeping China neutral over Kashmir or letting the Arunachul Pradesh issue be forgotten. The Russian boat was not only about appeasing Russia by buying weapons with potential gain of a UNSC Veto but also about the Indian defense industry and contractors have too many lucrative connections with Russia. The 3rd boat is the United States of America which is India's best (and ONLY!) hope and Indians are rightly focusing on that--sort of trying to Not-so-subtly follow the Israeli model of steering the American foreign policy.

This 3rd boat is the best for India and Indians know that. It has BIG REWARDS if it succeeds. But it's rewards are capped by geography, especially with a Pakistan-Russia-China combine thwarting the American-led-Indian-blooded drive in the region. Pakistan has the land access to the low population, energy rich 'Stans' and Iran. India doesn't. India has access to the, no offense, the over-populated, poor South East Asia and South Asian countries. And until there are some Giant Drones on the commands of some automation engines, then geography, demographics, and the Earth's resources are going to be the drivers of the human economy.

India can always access Central Asia via Iran. Pakistan has access to 200 countries in the world. If that does not move the needle how is land access to six Central Asian states going to make a difference ? Kirghizstan and Tajikstan have nothing in the way of resources. Azerbaijan is far away. Kazakhstan has easy access to Russian and Chinese markets.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Optics aside, you know that Russia is not a 'friend' of India for a long time. And that's understandable because India decided to be in the lap of the USA despite public denials, but foreign strategic thinkers are not stupid.

They say that one can't ride two boats at the same time but Indians have tried to ride THREE boats at the same time: Chummy with China, Russia and the United States. The Chinese boat was always about appeasing China: Big trade surplus for China in the hope of keeping China neutral over Kashmir or letting the Arunachul Pradesh issue be forgotten. The Russian boat was not only about appeasing Russia by buying weapons with potential gain of a UNSC Veto but also about the Indian defense industry and contractors have too many lucrative connections with Russia. The 3rd boat is the United States of America which is India's best (and ONLY!) hope and Indians are rightly focusing on that--sort of trying to Not-so-subtly follow the Israeli model of steering the American foreign policy.

This 3rd boat is the best for India and Indians know that. It has BIG REWARDS if it succeeds. But it's rewards are capped by geography, especially with a Pakistan-Russia-China combine thwarting the American-led-Indian-blooded drive in the region. Pakistan has the land access to the low population, energy rich 'Stans' and Iran. India doesn't. India has access to the, no offense, the over-populated, poor South East Asia and South Asian countries. And until there are some Giant Drones on the commands of some automation engines, then geography, demographics, and the Earth's resources are going to be the drivers of the human economy.

Indeed and read my signature.
Since you have mentioned it, Russia or the US is not anybody's 'friend', might as well add China to it. I'm not going into the cliche 'no friend in intl politics' comment. Russia and India have a lot of issues where we cooperate, mostly in defence, and a lot of issues we find ourselves on opposite sides, so far India and Russia have avoided going against each other and it will continue to do so because of the potential for India-Russia relation is more than just military sales. In fact, we are cooperating on creating trade routes.

The next thing is, India is not a country that would give up its autonomy to anyone, India doesn't want to be an ally of Russia or the US or the west. As far as India is concerned, in the next 50 or so years, we will have a considerably large economy that may out shadow Russia and others by trillions of dollars and playing some big power's ally now is not an option. By maintaining a level of autonomy we can make rules for ourselves.
We are least concerned about a UNSC veto, there's France, US, UK to take care of that. And China is in a phase where they feel they are very powerful and ready to take the mantle of the world, they will be back to their senses when there is a collective slap in terms of trade. You will see, the next few years is going to be interesting.

Few things, Russia would never ever play second fiddle to anyone, if you are expecting Russia-China-Pakistan alliance to somehow magically stop the US, you're plainly wrong. For that Pakistan needs to achieve at least the Russian level of economic complexity. You're at your weakest and will continue to be for the next few years, on the Chinese side, they're not making enough friends, picking fights with almost everyone and their wolf warrior diplomats are damaging their own ties with the rest of the world, perception of China is at it's lowest and as for Russia they will jump the boat if and when the European Union pulls sanction on Russia. Russia is a western country, hoping that China and Russia would make up a great alliance even for the US, is unimaginable. Russia wants to and will deal with the US on its own terms. I don't know what does Pakistan brings to the table, Afghanistan?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

China has J-7s or license copies of it since 1960s. How hard is it to examine one in China ?
Egypt (a cold war ally of USA) had MiG-21s.
11,496 aircraft with 64 operators is dime a dozen with respect to modern combat aircraft.



I do not disagree here. Except that Pakistan does not have $$$ to make large purchases
40 Su-35s was an example of a deal that can be made with money. China does not make any equivalent equipment to Mi-17, Mi-35, S-400, Su-35



during the cold war USSR had reasons. Being dependent on China to access Pakistan is not something Russia likes.

There are safe transportation corridors by sea. I have no idea why economic activity will increase with land corridors

You can talk about cultural affinity with Arabs, Afghans, Iranians, Dagestanis. It is a 2-way street. I have no idea how other groups view Pakistanis. In every country in the West where Indians/Pakistanis emigrate you are always clubbed with Indians


India can always access Central Asia via Iran. Pakistan has access to 200 countries in the world. If that does not move the needle how is land access to six Central Asian states going to make a difference ? Kirghizstan and Tajikstan have nothing in the way of resources. Azerbaijan is far away. Kazakhstan has easy access to Russian and Chinese markets.

Over 732 million open defectors have no money to EVEN sustain themselves......... :

More than 732 million Indians don’t have access to toilets: Report

The situation is worse for women as 355 million of them are waiting for a toilet, three years after the launch of Swachh Bharat Abhiyaan, says a WaterAid report

www.livemint.com

 

[nahtanbob]

If India can dream up as "neighbour of Iran" or "sharing border with Afgjanistan" I think so can Pakistan given that CAR's have large numbers of Russians living there and Russia regardss them as it's soft belly. Russia proper is not that far north of Islamabad either.

India is not a neighbor of Iran or Afghanistan.

Russia is not a neighbor of Pakistan

Nothing the fanboys say change that

 

[Baibars_1260]

China has J-7s or license copies of it since 1960s. How hard is it to examine one in China ?
Egypt (a cold war ally of USA) had MiG-21s.
11,496 aircraft with 64 operators is dime a dozen with respect to modern combat aircraft.

My last post here, because I now suspect you are trolling instead of any interest in a serious discussion.

J-7s
This is becoming a tutorial on Mig 21s. Once again :
The J-7 is NOT a "licensed built" copy of the Mig 21. It was supposed to be, but never was. Initially, the Soviet's agreed for licensed version but later withdrew their technical support. There were deliberate errors in the drawings given by the Russians, which frustrated Chinese development of the fighter for nearly a decade. A Mig 21 " look alike " with severely reduced performance flew in 1966, and was renamed as the J-7 was inducted in small numbers ( for whatever it was worth) into the PLAAF . With the combat experience the PAF had flying Syrian Mig 21s against Israeli Mirages, Pakistan shared their experiences with PLAAF and Chengdu aviation test pilots to improve the J-7. PAF had ome other experience on early Mig 21s when a PAF F-6 shot down an early model IAF Mig 21 using a US made AIM-9 in the last stages of 1971 war.
The captured Soviet and Afghan Air Force Mig 21s delivered, or "force landed" by defecting and surrendered pilots, were far more advanced in every way than anything possessed by either China or Pakistan at that time.
The J-7 then with the PLAAF was a poor "look alike".
Veteran Soviet pilots flying these, advanced Mig 21s ( intended to fight NATO warplanes) backed by Tu-16 Moss AWACs , gave PAF Mirage, F-6s and even early F-16A pilots, much to worry about. These Mig 21 jets were backed up by Mig 23s and we had to contend with these as well.
Mercifully, except for one case of fratricide, no PAF aircraft were lost against the heavy odds we faced, defending our western frontier. But we learned, and the captured aircraft, and our experience was passed on to our allies, and by the mid 1980s the J-7 achieved a rough parity with its Soviet ancestor.

The first J-7Ps only arrived in Pakistan by 1988 by which time the Soviet threat had been neutralized.
Pakistan had no aircraft manufacturing capabilities then so so we worked closely with our Chinese allies to refine the J-7P into the unique double delta cranked wing J-7PG fitted with all the all the electronic gadgets such as a Grifo Radar and helmet mounted sights, and PL-7, PL-9 AAMs. A neat aerobatic plane with a superb performance , that would never have been developed into this version but for the wealth of data the PAF recovered. Read more here ( Link ).

I do not disagree here. Except that Pakistan does not have $$$ to make large purchases
40 Su-35s was an example of a deal that can be made with money. China does not make any equivalent equipment to Mi-17, Mi-35, S-400, Su-35

Ill informed. We have the $$ to buy and use 40 Mil 17, and Mil 35s and are buying more ( Link ).
We are buying attack helicopters from China also
Hint: Don't think like a "banya" that whoever has the fattest wallet wins a war. Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan had no $$$$$$$$&&$ to fight a war . You like that $ sign don't you ? It's the ultimate symbol of power ?

during the cold war USSR had reasons. Being dependent on China to access Pakistan is not something Russia likes.

What Russia likes is good relations with Pakistan regardless of what India or any other country likes .
That's the geo-politics

There are safe transportation corridors by sea

"I have no idea why economic activity will increase with land corridors"
Then you need to study your geography and calculate the route of a Russian freighter leaving Novorossiysk to Sri Lanka ( Lavrov learned to speak Sinhalese) ,or the Horn of Africa. Then calculate a Chinese ship based in Gwadar loading supplies from China directly to ship out to Sri Lanka .
Then figure why the biggest baniya has spent $63 billion and counting into CPEC . Look it up.

You can talk about cultural affinity with Arabs, Afghans, Iranians, Dagestanis. It is a 2-way street. I have no idea how other groups view Pakistanis. In every country in the West where Indians/Pakistanis emigrate you are always clubbed with Indians

Off topic .Pakistan is not merely a South Asian nation. We have a Central Asian component.
Copy your post on this thread and will talk to you there .

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India can always access Central Asia via Iran. Pakistan has access to 200 countries in the world. If that does not move the needle how is land access to six Central Asian states going to make a difference ? Kirghizstan and Tajikstan have nothing in the way of resources. Azerbaijan is far away. Kazakhstan has easy access to Russian and Chinese markets.

What India does is of least concern to us . If India can get along with Iran then that's fine.

We will keep Wagah and Torkham firmly shut to India. For Russia , Gwadar is open for business .

 

[PradoTLC]

I can feel your pain and humiliation.

Enjoy :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1274279167018876929

Modi will look good in bangles

Those "free" aircraft will cost you a lot more than you bargained for

Face it Pakistan does not have the $$$ to acquire even 40 Su-35s

What are Russians going to do with warm waters ? If they want warm waters they fly to Greece or Spain or Italy On a serious note you are 40 years too late to that game. that is a deal that will look attractive in 1979

really ?

then why is US so upset about CPEC.?

 

[nahtanbob]

Modi will look good in bangles



really ?

then why is US so upset about CPEC.?

The real issue is CPEC does not generate the economic activity to pay back the $62 billion. What will happen to Pakistan when time for repayment comes ? American companies supplied equipment for lot of CPEC projects.

My last post here, because I now suspect you are trolling instead of any interest in a serious discussion.

J-7s
This is becoming a tutorial on Mig 21s. Once again :
The J-7 is NOT a "licensed built" copy of the Mig 21. It was supposed to be, but never was. Initially, the

Soviet-Chinese co-operation ended in the 1960s. China made some changes to the MiG-21 and called it J-7
It is a licensed built copy of the MiG-21

Does it resemble the 1960s era MiG-21 ? Not anymore than a F-16D resembling a late 1970s F-16A ?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Why are Indians flocking to this thread?

I believe the topic is regarding Pakistan and Russia.

 

[khansaheeb]

Pakistan wants Russia to have an active stake in its energy sector, which automatically increases Pakistan's strategic importance for Russia. We don't play all of our options well, but Pakistan is doing fairly well in this instance.

The focus should be on trade link, we need tools and machinery and they can have cotton and rice.

Why can't Qureshi hold his own umbrella?

Because he doesn't have the same phobia of water as the Indians do.