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Masterpiece that is severely underrated IMO and will surprise a lot of doubters once out there and fully operational.

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It's a decent plane. The biggest problem is numbers. Russian industry is simply not able to pump out enough to make it meaningful. With only 1 single serial plane it is only for airshow.
 
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It's a decent plane. The biggest problem is numbers. Russian industry is simply not able to pump out enough to make it meaningful. With only 1 single serial plane it is only for airshow.

Do you know that they are building and switching to a whole new production line with automated elements for certain aspects etc? That takes time. Once they have that done, they're ramp up production big time, you'll see. They cut down the estimated 4 units to be completed this year to 2 because they're taking precautions on making sure that everything is done properly and not rushed. I commend them for that. They were never influenced by others whether the US, China or whomever. China even bought 24 Su-35s from Russia. People claim they wanted to get their hands on the engines but who knows.

Bottom lime is they stuck to their plans and have added and improved a lot of items to the jet as they've developed it. They were also affected by the epidemic which forced a lot of the vendors and production line to stop for a while. This is also the first digitally designed aircraft for Russia which is another milestone that takes a little getting used to. They're not is a super hurry as they are already designing future aircraft at the same time. What you will see is a sudden leap not only in production, but with new aircraft.
 
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Do you know that they are building and switching to a whole new production line with automated elements for certain aspects etc? That takes time. Once they have that done, they're ramp up production big time, you'll see. They cut down the estimated 4 units to be completed this year to 2 because they're taking precautions on making sure that everything is done properly and not rushed. I commend them for that. They were never influenced by others whether the US, China or whomever. China even bought 24 Su-35s from Russia. People claim they wanted to get their hands on the engines but who knows.

Bottom lime is they stuck to their plans and have added and improved a lot of items to the jet as they've developed it. They were also affected by the epidemic which forced a lot of the vendors and production line to stop for a while. This is also the first digitally designed aircraft for Russia which is another milestone that takes a little getting used to. They're not is a super hurry as they are already designing future aircraft at the same time. What you will see is a sudden leap not only in production, but with new aircraft.

Also because Russians are not disciplined. They drink vodka and lazy on the job.
 
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looooool, now it makes sense why you get banned from this forum so often, dude. Come-oooown, maaaaaaan!!! :lol:

Russia can't even handle covid crisis let alone make lots of planes. Like. Seriously. You know why they lost Cold War.

 
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First Su-57 and now Il-112V. Russia is really no good anymore. Might as well quit aviation business.

Planes fall, not only Russian ones, even more if prototypes.
If you were to behave as you write, after a plane crash, no one would fly anymore, both in the military and in the commercial sector.
What should Boeing do, stop designing and building planes, or try to make them safe?
 
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Planes fall, not only Russian ones, even more if prototypes.
If you were to behave as you write, after a plane crash, no one would fly anymore, both in the military and in the commercial sector.
What should Boeing do, stop designing and building planes, or try to make them safe?
yes, planes fall everywhere but now russian arms industry is undoubtedly going dead due to lack of money;; mostly russia still uses 1980s designed soviet arms;; since 1991 collapse of soviet, it has NOT made many arms like soviet did;; and it also very slowly develops new arms, which seem even unreliable after being used in many recent conflicts like syria, azerbaizan vs. armenia skirmish, and etc;;; I really doubt if russia experiments its new arms enough before deploying them;;; anyway we would see more often russian plane crashes
 
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yes, planes fall everywhere but now russian arms industry is undoubtedly going dead due to lack of money;; mostly russia still uses 1980s designed soviet arms;; since 1991 collapse of soviet, it has NOT made many arms like soviet did;; and it also very slowly develops new arms, which seem even unreliable after being used in many recent conflicts like syria, azerbaizan vs. armenia skirmish, and etc;;; I really doubt if russia experiments its new arms enough before deploying them;;; anyway we would see more often russian plane crashes

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yes the planes fall, even those of big western manufacturers, and I don't think they will stop making them, certainly improving them and solving the problems.
It is very simplistic to say that Russia has no money, they need to replace most of the Soviet-era transport aircraft and they will.
In the medium-heavy sector, they are making modern versions of the IL-76, but in the light sector, replacing the AN-24-AN-26 cannot rely on collaborations with Antonov, but neither risk Western sanctions on components, which have already occurred with aircraft. of the commercial sector, therefore the only alternative is the completely national construction of each component.
The Russian government made a big mistake in the past, stopping the development of the national IL-112, to encourage collaboration with the Ukrainian Antonov / AN-140 and AN-70, today it still pays some consequences by having to "run" to reach the 'objective, but I am sure that the technical experience of the past has not been lost and the IL-112V will be built and will be a robust and reliable aircraft, with which to replace hundreds of aircraft currently at the limit of operational life and also aim for 'export.
Returning to the missing money, the mistake we make in the so-called West is to use our parameters, while it is often not possible to superimpose it on the type of economy of other countries.
As always happens, when sanctions or embargoes are imposed on even a medium industrialized country, this becomes an input to replace the systems that are no longer supplied, << import substitution >> favoring autarchy, which in fact like collateral consequence leads to having a new competitor in the market.
In 7 years the Russians have built their gas turbines for naval use, they have resumed the projects of new marine diesel engines previously set aside to favor the purchase of Teutonic engines, they are progressively replacing all the imported components for their new commercial aircraft , including those Japan refused to provide.
Syria - Armenia, the vision of the facts is subjective, their method of supplying means and weapons to Syria could be taken as an example of how with very little expense they have subverted the course of the war.
Naval transport with the Syria-Espress also using old cargo ships purchased at very low prices on which they hoisted the flag of the Russian Navy and military crews, to protect them from possible inspections, former commercial ships that have performed their task very well;
Means and weapons at almost zero cost, only restoration and transport, since taken from the huge deposits of the Soviet era, the majority of the tanks are T-62 which in fact are logistically better usable by the Sisrians since they are already known and appreciated, as well as the BMPs. -1, trucks always of the types already supplied to Syria.
Therefore, with little effort they have achieved a lot, in addition to the geopolitical level, even strategic, obtaining for many years a naval and air base in the heart of the Mediterranean.
Therefore, in repeating myself, we are wrong if we evaluate with our parameters the spending capacity of the Russian Federation today.
However, we mere mortals have nothing left to do but wait and only time and the progress of events will clarify whether Russia will be able to achieve what their armed forces need.
Good day.

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the one in the photo was an Airbus A400 that crashed in 2015.
 
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yes the planes fall, even those of big western manufacturers, and I don't think they will stop making them, certainly improving them and solving the problems.
It is very simplistic to say that Russia has no money, they need to replace most of the Soviet-era transport aircraft and they will.
In the medium-heavy sector, they are making modern versions of the IL-76, but in the light sector, replacing the AN-24-AN-26 cannot rely on collaborations with Antonov, but neither risk Western sanctions on components, which have already occurred with aircraft. of the commercial sector, therefore the only alternative is the completely national construction of each component.
The Russian government made a big mistake in the past, stopping the development of the national IL-112, to encourage collaboration with the Ukrainian Antonov / AN-140 and AN-70, today it still pays some consequences by having to "run" to reach the 'objective, but I am sure that the technical experience of the past has not been lost and the IL-112V will be built and will be a robust and reliable aircraft, with which to replace hundreds of aircraft currently at the limit of operational life and also aim for 'export.
Returning to the missing money, the mistake we make in the so-called West is to use our parameters, while it is often not possible to superimpose it on the type of economy of other countries.
As always happens, when sanctions or embargoes are imposed on even a medium industrialized country, this becomes an input to replace the systems that are no longer supplied, << import substitution >> favoring autarchy, which in fact like collateral consequence leads to having a new competitor in the market.
In 7 years the Russians have built their gas turbines for naval use, they have resumed the projects of new marine diesel engines previously set aside to favor the purchase of Teutonic engines, they are progressively replacing all the imported components for their new commercial aircraft , including those Japan refused to provide.
Syria - Armenia, the vision of the facts is subjective, their method of supplying means and weapons to Syria could be taken as an example of how with very little expense they have subverted the course of the war.
Naval transport with the Syria-Espress also using old cargo ships purchased at very low prices on which they hoisted the flag of the Russian Navy and military crews, to protect them from possible inspections, former commercial ships that have performed their task very well;
Means and weapons at almost zero cost, only restoration and transport, since taken from the huge deposits of the Soviet era, the majority of the tanks are T-62 which in fact are logistically better usable by the Sisrians since they are already known and appreciated, as well as the BMPs. -1, trucks always of the types already supplied to Syria.
Therefore, with little effort they have achieved a lot, in addition to the geopolitical level, even strategic, obtaining for many years a naval and air base in the heart of the Mediterranean.
Therefore, in repeating myself, we are wrong if we evaluate with our parameters the spending capacity of the Russian Federation today.
However, we mere mortals have nothing left to do but wait and only time and the progress of events will clarify whether Russia will be able to achieve what their armed forces need.
Good day.
soviet spent hundreds billions of dollars for military budget every year;; russia no longer has such money for arms race;; this changes everything;; most russian arms replacements fall few decades behind its original schedule;; PAKFA/SU57 was scheduled to service in 1990s; PAKDA was first discussed back to the late 1990s; yasen class SSN was scheduled to service in the mid 1990s; russia entirely canceled building the following large surface ships in 1990s;; (as you say) russia NEVER says it will stop developing them but it important to note that it also eventually NEVER get them done since the collapse of soviet union;; making such new arms requires at least few-billions-dollars-budget every year;; it also seems like russia eager for indian big money to offset the lack of its budget but NOT feasible for india to offset it;; I just want to explain what russia did and where it is now
 
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soviet spent hundreds billions of dollars for military budget every year;; russia no longer has such money for arms race;; this changes everything;; most russian arms replacements fall few decades behind its original schedule;; PAKFA/SU57 was scheduled to service in 1990s; PAKDA was first discussed back to the late 1990s; yasen class SSN was scheduled to service in the mid 1990s; russia entirely canceled building the following large surface ships in 1990s;; (as you say) russia NEVER says it will stop developing them but it important to note that it also eventually NEVER get them done since the collapse of soviet union;; making such new arms requires at least few-billions-dollars-budget every year;; it also seems like russia eager for indian big money to offset the lack of its budget but NOT feasible for india to offset it;; I just want to explain what russia did and where it is now
If Russia is ACTUALLY financially down and cant compete, then explain why Russia still possesses the 2nd best military force in the world. you're here spewing theories as if you work in finance and you're using McNamara fallacy- military power and performance isnt based ONLY ON RESEARCH DOLLARS, Look at US with infinite money, just lost the Afghan war and the world can see.

YOUR KOREA you're in, with so much advanced technology, South Korea still isnt confident it can hold of "backwards broke" North korea, thats the fact! but you gyus have more moeny than them for research right? so yo're not proving anything by saying Russia has less resarch money for its military. PPP neutralizes alot of that.
 
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If Russia is ACTUALLY financially down and cant compete, then explain why Russia still possesses the 2nd best military force in the world. you're here spewing theories as if you work in finance and you're using McNamara fallacy- military power and performance isnt based ONLY ON RESEARCH DOLLARS, Look at US with infinite money, just lost the Afghan war and the world can see.
YOUR KOREA you're in, with so much advanced technology, South Korea still isnt confident it can hold of "backwards broke" North korea, thats the fact! but you gyus have more moeny than them for research right? so yo're not proving anything by saying Russia has less resarch money for its military. PPP neutralizes alot of that.
I guess such military ranking is very controversial;; (as you say) weakly armed taliban defeated the world's strongest US troops because there're many other factors than military itself;; once we calculate such rankings, it only means arms scale and techniques;; such rankings does NOT mean it wins over the other in fighting;; back to your question, soviet union arms-raced against US thru its enormous financial and production systems but such systems lost once soviet collapsed in 1991;; now its been 30 years and russia technically falling a generation behind US, quantitatively downsizing its arms and troops almost one-fourth to one-fifth of what soviet was in 1980s, only maintaining politically sensitive nukes in scales (perhaps against US);; now it mostly has aged fleet, planes, and ground vehicles, while new arms in only small quantity;; technology develops every year and russia could NOT catch up by its current financial and production systems;; I really wonder how long russia could stay with its aging arms
yes, I'm south korean, who loves technology;; again I just explain the situation;; to believe or not, up to you;;
by the way it sounds like another russian aged jet crash today;; certainly we would see more often such crashes Pilot dies in MiG-29 fighter jet crash in southern Russia -RIA | Reuters
 
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