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Interesting how you normalized nazi behaviour of second world war. Nazis thought of slavs as biologically inferior - in other words you cant be them even if you tried.

Soviets saved you.

Look this is not the place for such discussions, but you have to understand Germanic tribes and slavic tribes have lived next to one another and intermixed for 1500 to 2000 years.

I have germans in my family and many germans have slavs in their family. Russian Czars have been all German for 100's of years. The last Russian Czar was like 90% German.

Germans have excelled in so many areas, and if you look at all the great architecture of Czech or Poland, Slovenia, its all germans responsible for it. Al the good cars. yep that's all germans.

The list of German achievements are so long it not funny. And historically, the germans have sometimes dominated the slavs and other times the slavs dominated the germans.

Yes if nazis had won slavs would have worked in German factories. And germans would have been the rich overlords. hmmmm exactly how it is right now. And they would have assimilated most of the slavs over time into germans. That happening now anyway.

But different slavs were treated differently by the germans depending on the danger they posed to the German state. Those slavs that took germans lands or that did bad things to germans in the past were treated harshly, those slavs that were close to the germans and did not endanger Germany were treated very well.
 

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If he is sad about neo-nazis not having nuke, we can probably solve that problem by giving them some. No need to blame Russia for that, just saying. :)
None of the savage West should have Nukes, this is a blight on humanity. They still have Neanderthal savagery within them which they unleash on themselves or others at any opportunity they can get.
 
That is true. Since so many people are too lazy to find the doc after all this time, here it is...


Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons​
Budapest, 5 December 1994​
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,​
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,​
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,​
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.​
Confirm the following:​
1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
2. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a nonnuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
5. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party 2 to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.​
6. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.​
This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.​
Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages​
Although this is not a legal document, it is still significant at the moral level, in that three nuclear weapons states, the US, the UK, and Russia, convinced Ukraine to give up 1700 nuclear warheads in various deployment forms in exchange for essentially nothing.

The US, UK, and Russia promised to:
  1. Respect Ukraine sovereignty and independence
  2. Not to attack Ukraine (except in self defense)
  3. Not to use economic coercion against Ukraine
Of all the countries, COULD the US-UK do items 2 and 3, especially 2? Of course they could. But WOULD they? Not likely. So the real problem country is Russia. And here we are today.

Now, in trying feebly to defend Russia, people are shaming the US-UK for not defending Ukraine. But which broken promise is worse: not to attack or failure to defend? And even if the US-UK militarily defend Ukraine, these people would come up with some other creative reasons why Russia is fully justified any way.

But we are militarily defending Ukraine by arming Ukraine, and defending Ukraine in ways Poutine never expected. He never expected:
  1. the level of global public outrage,
  2. the social ostracization of Russia,
  3. the economic isolation of Russia,
  4. the rebuild of NATO,
  5. the internal dissent in Russia about the war,
  6. the reinforcement of suspicions towards Russia as a responsible power.
And that is not all. The only ally that Russia have is China and Xi is slowly walking away. Eventually, it will become clear that China is holding Russia off except for some insignificant trade deals and mealy mouth diplo-speak.

Each nuclear warhead is one security assurance. Ukraine gave up 1700 security assurances based on Russia's non-legal promise to respect Ukraine independence and sovereignty. This doc is being re-released to the global public. No amount of shaming the US-UK will work in easing the list of punishments Russia is receiving. Calling Ukraine a 'Nazi state' or other forms of victim blaming will not work.

Is Iran coming to Russia's assistance in any way other than internet chatter? Are any Iranian enlisting in the Russian military? Is any Chinese or any citizen from the pathetic short list of countries that defend Russia enlisting in the Russian military? Why not shame those countries? Why are they not signing trade treaties with Russia with promises to buy Russian goods for as long as Russia continue to occupy Ukraine?

The answer to all those questions is that despite the public stance about 'supporting' Russia, the leaders of those countries know that it is over for Poutine. So wank off for every Russian hit to Ukraine for now. That is all your countries are willing to do.
and then... Catholics try to take the Orthodox identity > Church

When it comes to religion, Guess Who was Vladimir (not the present Vladimir Putin)

Calling for Nato was not the militarily, It was Religiously that is obviously unacceptable by any of them
 
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