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@Iron Shrappenel, take a look at my post again. Mr. Super Soldier and Intelligence Agent, @jhungary, has joined Ms. @dbc in lynching me.
Hmm expected, the moderators left this thread to the jackals.... I suggest put them on the ignore list... It clears up alot of noise in this thread... As of Russia vs Ukraine... Who the F cares who wins... Enjoy the show... Russia has adapted well in later part of the war and Ukraine has shown courage.... PDF mods have failed to
> Remain neutral themselves in running this thread.
> Cleaning up of irrelevant posts
> Cleaning repetitive posts ( by both sides)
Coming to the point that a 19 year old is threatening deportation via a person he " knows ". Lol what a joke.
 
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Please do not insult your fellow member, you have your stance, I get it, but going after fellow member stance because it is a different than yours is probably cheap shot at best. I mean, I can find and I did see quite a lot of Russian Atrocity when I myself is in Ukraine but I will not go after you because you support Russia.


That's because of the cheap shot tactics you use.

Delete the last paragraph and I may consider recind that negative rating.
Again, talk nice to your fellow member, or else stop talking at all.

1. Don't impose your dictatorial nature on me. In 2014 I almost established the first IT / ITES industry workers union in India seeing the injustice in my office against myself and my co-workers and am quite politically aware otherwise so I will protest against your unjust action. @LeGenD @Irfan Baloch @waz, who are these NATO Americans having a free run of the thread, distributing negative ratings to me like toffees ?

2. @Apollon himself proudly admitted to being a psychopath. I think @Foinikas has seen that post.

3. "You may consider rescinding" ? You "may" ? Don't take that patronizing tone with me or with anyone. It is you insulting me contradicting your advise to me to not insult Apollon.

4. Yes I certainly believe you about "Russian atrocities". :rolleyes: There are no UkroNazis at all and no war crimes by the Ukrainian military against its own civilians and against the people of Donbas since 2014. You want to know what kind of people are these whom you support and engage with ? Read this article :

How a century of political violence in Ukraine is linked to the atrocities of today

The history of Ukrainian nationalist cruelty is an important factor, barely discussed, or known, in the West
How a century of political violence in Ukraine is linked to the atrocities of today


© Getty Images / Atit Phetmuangtong / EyeEm

Troops shot in the legs screaming in pain. Others dying from blood loss and shock. With no one around to provide medical assistance. A Russian soldier crucified on an anti-tank barrier, chained to a metal ‘hedgehog’ and then burned alive…

For many, graphic footage of Russian servicemen tortured and killed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and nationalist battalions, came as a real shock. But this did not surprise those who are familiar with the ‘traditions’ of Ukraine’s ‘fighters for national freedom’, as they have more than a century of history in this sort of thing.

Europe’sFirst Concentration Camps

The first concentration camps in Europe – Terezin and Thalerhof – were established in Austria-Hungary in the fall of 1914, not to hold prisoners of war, but the empire’s own citizens. This is how Vienna, then the ‘sick man of Europe’, tried to protect its eastern border areas from members of its population which sympathized with neighboring Russia. Fighting between the two countries had broken out just before the beginning of the First World War. Austria-Hungary’s last emperor, Charles I, confessed in his edict of May 7, 1917, “All the arrested Russians are innocent, but they were detained to prevent them becoming guilty.”

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine
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Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

People from Galicia who did not want to call themselves Ukrainians, as the Austrian authorities insisted, and continued to use the name ‘Rusyns’, were arrested and incarcerated in two places – in a garrison fortress in Terezin and in a valley near Graz, the capital of Styria. While the prisoners in Terezin were held in the vaults and dungeons of the fortress, with the support of local Czechs, the concentration camp later known as Thalerhof was little more than a bare field fenced in with barbed wire.

Today, most of Galicia is in Western Ukraine and the largest city is Lviv, which was known as Lemberg by the Austrians and Lvov by the Soviets and Polish.
The initial prisoners were brought there in September of 1915, and the first barracks began to be built only at the beginning of the following year. Prior to that, the people were forced to lie in the open in the rain and cold. According to US Congressman Joseph McCormick, the prisoners were often beaten and tortured. (Terrorism in Bohemia; Medill McCormick Gets Details of Austrian Cruelty. ‘New York Times’, December 16, 1917)
According to the memoirs of those who survived the inhumane conditions (about 20,000 prisoners passed through the camp), 3,800 people were executed in the first half of 1915 alone, and 3,000 people died from the horrific conditions and diseases in a year and a half. Vasily Varvik, a writer, poet, literary critic, and historian who endured Thalerhof’s hell describes the atrocities in the internment camp as follows: “In order to intimidate people, to prove their power over us, the prison authorities drove poles into the ground all over Thalerhof Square, on which brutally beaten martyrs often hung in unspoken torment.”

What do the Ukrainians have to do with it? The fact is that Ukrainian nationalists were specially recruited to guard the Thalerhof camp. According to numerous testimonies, the arrested, which comprised nearly the entire Russian intelligentsia of Galicia and thousands of peasants, were also escorted to the camp by the Ukrainians.

Indeed, descriptions given in the Thalerhof Almanac detail how Ukrainian Sichoviki in the Carpathian village of Lavochnoye tried to bayonet the prisoners, among whom there was not a single Russian, but only their fellow Galicians.

It was the Ukrainian nationalists who were the concentration camp guards’ cruelest torturers and murderers. “In the end, the atrocities committed by the Germans do not equate to the victimization of your own people. A soulless German could not get his iron boots so deeply into the soul of a Slavonic Rusyn as well as a Rusyn who called himself a Ukrainian,” wrote Vasily Varvik.

From the Volyn Massacre to 1954

At the end of February 1943, the ‘revolutionary’ wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUP), headed by the current idol of many Ukrainians, Stepan Bandera, decided to create the so-called ‘Ukrainian Insurgent Army’ (UPA) to ‘fight the advancing Red Army’, which was driving the Nazis from the country. But the first detachments that emerged in March and April, of the same year, began to fight not the Soviets, whose troops were still waiting for the Nazis to strike near Kursk, but Polish peasants in territory that had belonged to Warsaw up until 1939. These events, which lasted for more than six months, were called the ‘Volyn Massacre’. UPA detachments and units from the SS Galicia division, which was made up of locals from the eponymous area, killed from 40,000 to 200,000 people, according to various estimates. The Polish Sejm and Senate put the number of victims at approximately 100,000 people, and July 11 is recognized as a ‘National Day of Remembrance of the Victims of the Genocide of Polish Citizens by Ukrainian Nationalists’

https://cdni.russiatoday.com/files/2022.05/original/627b80cf2030275d57431723.jpg
Corpses of Polish victims of the massacre brought for identification and burial, March 26, 1943. © Wikipedia

The Polish ‘Association of Memory of Victims of Crimes of Ukrainian Nationalists’ (Stowarzyszenie Upamiętnienia Ofiar Zbrodni Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów (SUOZUN)) is engaged in reconstructing the course of events surrounding the Volyn Massacre. The materials collected by SUOZUN reveal shocking details with respect to the cruelty with which Ukrainian nationalists dealt with even babies and pregnant women. Polish researchers have uncovered 135 methods of torture and murder practiced by Ukrainian nationalists. Among them are:
  • Running children through with stakes
  • Cutting a person’s throat and pulling their tongue out through the hole
  • Sawing a person’s torso in half with a carpenter’s saw
  • Cutting open the belly of a woman in an advanced stage of pregnancy, removing the fetus, and replacing it with a live cat, before sewing up her abdomen.
  • Cutting open a pregnant women’s abdomen and pouring in broken glass
  • Nailing a small child to a door.
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How Ukraine’s ‘Revolution of Dignity’ led to war, poverty and the rise of the far right
According to Polish historians, it came to the point that even the German butchers, having been shocked by these atrocities, began to protect the Poles from the Ukrainian Sokirniki (from the Ukrainian word sokira, meaning ‘axe’).

All this, including the ingenuity employed in conducting torture and executions, continued after the Nazis had been expelled from Ukraine. Only now the victims of the nationalists were citizens of Soviet Ukraine – specialists like agronomists, engineers, doctors, and teachers who had been sent from the eastern part of the republic to restore western Ukraine after the war. Though the vast majority of these were ethnic Ukrainians, the nationalists killed not only them, but even their own fellow villagers who had cooperated with the Soviets.

These acts were carried out in accordance with instructions given by the head of the UPA and former Wehrmacht hauptman Roman Shukhevich, who is now an idol for many Ukrainians: “The OUN should act so that all those who recognized the Soviet government are destroyed. Not intimidated, but physically destroyed! Do not be afraid that people will curse us for cruelty. Let half of the 40 million Ukrainian population remain – there is nothing terrible in this,” he wrote. (Tchaikovsky A., Nevidoma viina, K., 1994, p. 224). According to the KGB of the USSR, in 1944–1953, the irretrievable losses of the Soviet side were 30,676 people. Among them are 697 employees of state security agencies, 1,864 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 3,199 military personnel, 2,590 fighters of destruction battalions; 2,732 - representatives of authorities, 251 communists, 207 Komsomol workers, 314 - chairmen of collective farms, 15,355 collective farmers and peasants, 676 workers, 1,931 - representatives of the intelligentsia, 860 - children, old people and housewives.

Maidan of Hate

With the return of the nationalists to Ukraine’s political scene, after the Soviet collapse, the violence resumed as well. The existence of torture rooms in Kiev City Hall, which was seized by ‘peaceful protesters’ at the end of 2013, has been reported.

RT


Anti-government protesters clash with police in Independence Square on February 19, 2014 in Kiev, Ukraine. © Alexander Koerner / Getty Images

A lot of video footage from the ‘Revolution of Dignity’ has been preserved showing the bullying captured police officers suffered at the hands of ‘peaceful protesters’. Some doctors working on the Maidan had to protect wounded officers that had been captured from being massacred. Shots from the Hromadske.tv TV channel also captured a Maidan medic categorically prohibiting people from calling an ambulance for a policeman who had lost an eye on the grounds that he served in the Berkut special unit, which was trying to suppress the uprising.

Here is how Kiev journalist Sergey Rulev describes his experience in the torture chamber: “Four people beat me. There was a woman in a headscarf with them, who kicked me in the groin without saying a word. Then they dragged me to the occupied Ministry of Agriculture, where they searched me, took away my documents, a press pass, accreditation to the Verkhovna Rada, business cards, two phones, and two cameras. When they dragged me back to Khreshchatyk, I started screaming and calling for help. I fell to the ground and was kicked again, but no one reacted. At about 12:00, I was dragged into the burned-out House of Trade Unions. In the lobby, I was immediately beaten up. In the courtyard, unknown people in camouflage fatigues bound my hands, stripped me to my underwear, and continued to beat me… After that, the four of them pinned me to the floor, injected something into my arm again, and said, ‘Now you’re going to talk to us, bitch! Which special services do you work for?’”
Once he was tied up, an unknown woman began to rip out Sergey’s nails with pliers. Subsequently, he identified this sadist as Amina Okuyeva, a medic in the ‘8th hundred’ Maidan Self-Defense unit, who later fought in the ‘ATO (Anti-Terrorist Operation) Zone’ as part of the neo-Nazi Kiev-2 and Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalions. She was awarded the title People’s Hero of Ukraine for her efforts.

The Ukrainian State and the Nazis

It would be surprising if the Ukrainian nationalists, who were part of the troops operating in the so-called ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’ (ATO) in the east of Ukraine, were to abandon their propensity for violence and stop bullying, torturing, and murdering their enemies, as this is the legacy of the totalitarian ideologies they have inherited from the last century. Andrei Ilyenko, a member of the neo-Nazi Svoboda party who is one of Ukrainian nationalism’s modern ideologists, admits, “Italian fascism, German nationalism, Croatian Ustashism, authentic Ukrainian nationalism, Spanish Falangism, and other integral movements doubtlessly share a single ideological basis.” (Patriot of Ukraine organization, Ukrainian Social Nationalism: a collection of ideological works and program documents, Kharkov – 2007).

RT


Young participants in a nationalist march marking Stepan Bandera's 109th birthday, in Lviv. © Sputnik / Stringer

And this has not happened. Literally from the first days of the ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’, information began to arrive about atrocities committed by nationalist battalions in the Donbass. After all, in addition to radical nationalists brought up to hate everything Russian, many of the participants were criminals convicted of violent crimes. Usurper Oleksandr Turchynov, who does not hide the fact that he threatened MPs with physical violence if they did not vote for his appointment as acting president, recalled: “I remember one meeting at the front with volunteer units where one of those present, who was covered in tattoos, asked: ‘Boss, will there be amnesty or not? The guys are interested in us there.’ I asked, ‘What do they want with you?’ ‘Well, for stuff like... murder, robbery...’”
The crimes committed by nationalist battalion members went ‘unnoticed’ by the authorities for a long time, but when international human rights organizations began to scream about the most egregious cases, some facts regarding their atrocities finally reached the courts. Several leaders from the nationalist Aidar Battalion were convicted. For example, they created a prison in a sausage shop’s smokehouse and placed prisoners there in unheated cells measuring 80x150 cm, where people had to crouch for several months.

A lot of people got away with serious crimes on the grounds that they were ‘Patriots of Ukraine’, and this was shown to be a government policy in practice. For example, Sergey Sternenko, a nationalist from Maidan’s Right Sector, escaped punishment for protecting drug trafficking and murder on the basis of ‘patriotism’. Though Sternenko was sentenced to a prison term of 7 years and 3 months for abducting a pro-Russian deputy from Odessa named Sergey Shcherbich, his punishment was reduced to one year of probation after just three months. Given this policy, it is not surprising that none of the participants in burning 49 people alive in the Odessa House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014, have yet been brought to justice.

Criminal cases have been initiated against Ukrainian nationalist Nikolay Kokhanovsky more than once. This ATO participant and OUN battalion commander is also a member of the Azov Regiment, which has been recognized by the US Congress as a neo-Nazi organization. He has been accused of attacking opposition TV channels, Moscow Patriarchate churches, Russian diplomatic missions, and Russian banks, as well as committing an armed assault on a nationalist like himself without a weapons permit. After his supporters smashed up the court, Kokhanovsky was set free.

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Perhaps the most horrific crime committed by Ukrainian nationalists was the creation of a prison in the refrigerator at the airport in Mariupol in June of 2014, which the jailers called the ‘library’. There, Mariupol residents were subjected to beatings, death by torture, and rape for even the suspicion of harboring sympathies for Russia or the unrecognized eastern republics. The ‘library’ was headed by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), whose chief, Valentin Nalivaichenko, was a friend of the leader of the Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh. And Nalivaichenko’s assistant, Yuri Mikhalchishin, a member of the nationalist Svoboda party who goes by the pseudonym ‘Nahtigal88’ (in honor of a sabotage battalion that was part of the Third Reich’s counterintelligence division and the letters ‘NN’ denoting Heil Hitler), was responsible for the ideology of the special service. Mikhalchishin openly asserts that Mein Kampf has been his guidebook since the age of 16. After being dismissed from the SBU, he went to fight as part of the Azov Regiment.

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The ideology of racial superiority has a long criminal history grounded in hate. When its bearers get their hands on power, national pride invariably turns into ruthless violence, and the radicals reveal their willingness to employ bestial cruelty and exterminate ‘outsiders’. The true foundations of their worldview will be seen more than once until this lesson in history is finally learned.

By Olga Sukharevskaya, ex-Ukrainian diplomat

Hmm expected, the moderators left this thread to the jackals.... I suggest put them on the ignore list... It clears up alot of noise in this thread... As of Russia vs Ukraine... Who the F cares who wins... Enjoy the show... Russia has adapted well in later part of the war and Ukraine has shown courage.... PDF mods have failed to
> Remain neutral themselves in running this thread.
> Cleaning up of irrelevant posts
> Cleaning repetitive posts ( by both sides)
Coming to the point that a 19 year old is threatening deportation via a person he " knows ". Lol what a joke.

Yes, sad that no mod has turned up here. I am again tagging mods above so will wait for their action against these two self-tom-tomming Think Tanks. But about Russia we must support it because they are acting against a vile, barbaric bunch who wouldn't hesitate in murdering us desis in the most brutal way if we happen to visit Ukraine. Please read the RT article above and the linked vid. And about three months ago the notorious Indian news host Arnab Goswami of the notorious channel Republic TV was as usual being shouty and rude with his guests including with a Chinese guest. Another guest was an elderly academic and international affairs expert, Gilbert Doctorow, who has decades of experience working with and observing USSR and Russia. You must watch in this article what he told Arnab.
 
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Trade doesn’t matter anymore???
Chinas been in a recession, it will only get worse and they’ll need every customer they can sell too so yes trade does matter.
What's the point of trade with EU/US when the reserve you hold in USD/euro can be seized? The fiat currency is basically worthless toilet paper to China.
 
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Im half german, half greek. My father is German, mom Greek. Keep in mind that i see India as even more disgusting place than China. And that means something.

At least you guys have basic hygienic standards



What he post is illegal here. I just showed him that he can get huge legal problems here
If you are really a European, have you ever considered that the USA ordered Lithuania to provoke China before the Ukrainian war, and the USA incited a war between Russia and Ukraine to deliberately frame the European Union? In this way, the USA can force EU capital to flow to the USA through interest rate hikes and the dangerous international situation, so as to improve the current economic situation of the USA.
Maybe Lithuania and Ukraine are not used to provoke China and Russia, but to frame the EU.
 
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1. Don't impose your dictatorial nature on me. In 2014 I almost established the first IT / ITES industry workers union in India seeing the injustice in my office against myself and my co-workers and am quite politically aware otherwise so I will protest against your unjust action. @LeGenD @Irfan Baloch @waz, who are these NATO Americans having a free run of the thread, distributing negative ratings to me like toffees ?

2. @Apollon himself proudly admitted to being a psychopath. I think @Foinikas has seen that post.

3. "You may consider rescinding" ? You "may" ? Don't take that patronizing tone with me or with anyone. It is you insulting me contradicting your advise to me to not insult Apollon.

4. Yes I certainly believe you about "Russian atrocities". :rolleyes: There are no UkroNazis at all and no war crimes by the Ukrainian military against its own civilians and against the people of Donbas since 2014. You want to know what kind of people are these whom you support and engage with ? Read this article :

How a century of political violence in Ukraine is linked to the atrocities of today

The history of Ukrainian nationalist cruelty is an important factor, barely discussed, or known, in the West
How a century of political violence in Ukraine is linked to the atrocities of today


© Getty Images / Atit Phetmuangtong / EyeEm

Troops shot in the legs screaming in pain. Others dying from blood loss and shock. With no one around to provide medical assistance. A Russian soldier crucified on an anti-tank barrier, chained to a metal ‘hedgehog’ and then burned alive…

For many, graphic footage of Russian servicemen tortured and killed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and nationalist battalions, came as a real shock. But this did not surprise those who are familiar with the ‘traditions’ of Ukraine’s ‘fighters for national freedom’, as they have more than a century of history in this sort of thing.

Europe’sFirst Concentration Camps

The first concentration camps in Europe – Terezin and Thalerhof – were established in Austria-Hungary in the fall of 1914, not to hold prisoners of war, but the empire’s own citizens. This is how Vienna, then the ‘sick man of Europe’, tried to protect its eastern border areas from members of its population which sympathized with neighboring Russia. Fighting between the two countries had broken out just before the beginning of the First World War. Austria-Hungary’s last emperor, Charles I, confessed in his edict of May 7, 1917, “All the arrested Russians are innocent, but they were detained to prevent them becoming guilty.”

Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine
Read more
Under the Wolfsangel: The uncomfortable truth about radical ideologies in Ukraine

People from Galicia who did not want to call themselves Ukrainians, as the Austrian authorities insisted, and continued to use the name ‘Rusyns’, were arrested and incarcerated in two places – in a garrison fortress in Terezin and in a valley near Graz, the capital of Styria. While the prisoners in Terezin were held in the vaults and dungeons of the fortress, with the support of local Czechs, the concentration camp later known as Thalerhof was little more than a bare field fenced in with barbed wire.

Today, most of Galicia is in Western Ukraine and the largest city is Lviv, which was known as Lemberg by the Austrians and Lvov by the Soviets and Polish.
The initial prisoners were brought there in September of 1915, and the first barracks began to be built only at the beginning of the following year. Prior to that, the people were forced to lie in the open in the rain and cold. According to US Congressman Joseph McCormick, the prisoners were often beaten and tortured. (Terrorism in Bohemia; Medill McCormick Gets Details of Austrian Cruelty. ‘New York Times’, December 16, 1917)
According to the memoirs of those who survived the inhumane conditions (about 20,000 prisoners passed through the camp), 3,800 people were executed in the first half of 1915 alone, and 3,000 people died from the horrific conditions and diseases in a year and a half. Vasily Varvik, a writer, poet, literary critic, and historian who endured Thalerhof’s hell describes the atrocities in the internment camp as follows: “In order to intimidate people, to prove their power over us, the prison authorities drove poles into the ground all over Thalerhof Square, on which brutally beaten martyrs often hung in unspoken torment.”

What do the Ukrainians have to do with it? The fact is that Ukrainian nationalists were specially recruited to guard the Thalerhof camp. According to numerous testimonies, the arrested, which comprised nearly the entire Russian intelligentsia of Galicia and thousands of peasants, were also escorted to the camp by the Ukrainians.

Indeed, descriptions given in the Thalerhof Almanac detail how Ukrainian Sichoviki in the Carpathian village of Lavochnoye tried to bayonet the prisoners, among whom there was not a single Russian, but only their fellow Galicians.

It was the Ukrainian nationalists who were the concentration camp guards’ cruelest torturers and murderers. “In the end, the atrocities committed by the Germans do not equate to the victimization of your own people. A soulless German could not get his iron boots so deeply into the soul of a Slavonic Rusyn as well as a Rusyn who called himself a Ukrainian,” wrote Vasily Varvik.

From the Volyn Massacre to 1954

At the end of February 1943, the ‘revolutionary’ wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUP), headed by the current idol of many Ukrainians, Stepan Bandera, decided to create the so-called ‘Ukrainian Insurgent Army’ (UPA) to ‘fight the advancing Red Army’, which was driving the Nazis from the country. But the first detachments that emerged in March and April, of the same year, began to fight not the Soviets, whose troops were still waiting for the Nazis to strike near Kursk, but Polish peasants in territory that had belonged to Warsaw up until 1939. These events, which lasted for more than six months, were called the ‘Volyn Massacre’. UPA detachments and units from the SS Galicia division, which was made up of locals from the eponymous area, killed from 40,000 to 200,000 people, according to various estimates. The Polish Sejm and Senate put the number of victims at approximately 100,000 people, and July 11 is recognized as a ‘National Day of Remembrance of the Victims of the Genocide of Polish Citizens by Ukrainian Nationalists’

https://cdni.russiatoday.com/files/2022.05/original/627b80cf2030275d57431723.jpg
Corpses of Polish victims of the massacre brought for identification and burial, March 26, 1943. © Wikipedia

The Polish ‘Association of Memory of Victims of Crimes of Ukrainian Nationalists’ (Stowarzyszenie Upamiętnienia Ofiar Zbrodni Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów (SUOZUN)) is engaged in reconstructing the course of events surrounding the Volyn Massacre. The materials collected by SUOZUN reveal shocking details with respect to the cruelty with which Ukrainian nationalists dealt with even babies and pregnant women. Polish researchers have uncovered 135 methods of torture and murder practiced by Ukrainian nationalists. Among them are:
  • Running children through with stakes
  • Cutting a person’s throat and pulling their tongue out through the hole
  • Sawing a person’s torso in half with a carpenter’s saw
  • Cutting open the belly of a woman in an advanced stage of pregnancy, removing the fetus, and replacing it with a live cat, before sewing up her abdomen.
  • Cutting open a pregnant women’s abdomen and pouring in broken glass
  • Nailing a small child to a door.
How Ukraine’s ‘Revolution of Dignity’ led to war, poverty and the rise of the far right
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How Ukraine’s ‘Revolution of Dignity’ led to war, poverty and the rise of the far right
According to Polish historians, it came to the point that even the German butchers, having been shocked by these atrocities, began to protect the Poles from the Ukrainian Sokirniki (from the Ukrainian word sokira, meaning ‘axe’).

All this, including the ingenuity employed in conducting torture and executions, continued after the Nazis had been expelled from Ukraine. Only now the victims of the nationalists were citizens of Soviet Ukraine – specialists like agronomists, engineers, doctors, and teachers who had been sent from the eastern part of the republic to restore western Ukraine after the war. Though the vast majority of these were ethnic Ukrainians, the nationalists killed not only them, but even their own fellow villagers who had cooperated with the Soviets.

These acts were carried out in accordance with instructions given by the head of the UPA and former Wehrmacht hauptman Roman Shukhevich, who is now an idol for many Ukrainians: “The OUN should act so that all those who recognized the Soviet government are destroyed. Not intimidated, but physically destroyed! Do not be afraid that people will curse us for cruelty. Let half of the 40 million Ukrainian population remain – there is nothing terrible in this,” he wrote. (Tchaikovsky A., Nevidoma viina, K., 1994, p. 224). According to the KGB of the USSR, in 1944–1953, the irretrievable losses of the Soviet side were 30,676 people. Among them are 697 employees of state security agencies, 1,864 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 3,199 military personnel, 2,590 fighters of destruction battalions; 2,732 - representatives of authorities, 251 communists, 207 Komsomol workers, 314 - chairmen of collective farms, 15,355 collective farmers and peasants, 676 workers, 1,931 - representatives of the intelligentsia, 860 - children, old people and housewives.

Maidan of Hate

With the return of the nationalists to Ukraine’s political scene, after the Soviet collapse, the violence resumed as well. The existence of torture rooms in Kiev City Hall, which was seized by ‘peaceful protesters’ at the end of 2013, has been reported.

RT


Anti-government protesters clash with police in Independence Square on February 19, 2014 in Kiev, Ukraine. © Alexander Koerner / Getty Images

A lot of video footage from the ‘Revolution of Dignity’ has been preserved showing the bullying captured police officers suffered at the hands of ‘peaceful protesters’. Some doctors working on the Maidan had to protect wounded officers that had been captured from being massacred. Shots from the Hromadske.tv TV channel also captured a Maidan medic categorically prohibiting people from calling an ambulance for a policeman who had lost an eye on the grounds that he served in the Berkut special unit, which was trying to suppress the uprising.

Here is how Kiev journalist Sergey Rulev describes his experience in the torture chamber: “Four people beat me. There was a woman in a headscarf with them, who kicked me in the groin without saying a word. Then they dragged me to the occupied Ministry of Agriculture, where they searched me, took away my documents, a press pass, accreditation to the Verkhovna Rada, business cards, two phones, and two cameras. When they dragged me back to Khreshchatyk, I started screaming and calling for help. I fell to the ground and was kicked again, but no one reacted. At about 12:00, I was dragged into the burned-out House of Trade Unions. In the lobby, I was immediately beaten up. In the courtyard, unknown people in camouflage fatigues bound my hands, stripped me to my underwear, and continued to beat me… After that, the four of them pinned me to the floor, injected something into my arm again, and said, ‘Now you’re going to talk to us, bitch! Which special services do you work for?’”
Once he was tied up, an unknown woman began to rip out Sergey’s nails with pliers. Subsequently, he identified this sadist as Amina Okuyeva, a medic in the ‘8th hundred’ Maidan Self-Defense unit, who later fought in the ‘ATO (Anti-Terrorist Operation) Zone’ as part of the neo-Nazi Kiev-2 and Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalions. She was awarded the title People’s Hero of Ukraine for her efforts.

The Ukrainian State and the Nazis

It would be surprising if the Ukrainian nationalists, who were part of the troops operating in the so-called ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’ (ATO) in the east of Ukraine, were to abandon their propensity for violence and stop bullying, torturing, and murdering their enemies, as this is the legacy of the totalitarian ideologies they have inherited from the last century. Andrei Ilyenko, a member of the neo-Nazi Svoboda party who is one of Ukrainian nationalism’s modern ideologists, admits, “Italian fascism, German nationalism, Croatian Ustashism, authentic Ukrainian nationalism, Spanish Falangism, and other integral movements doubtlessly share a single ideological basis.” (Patriot of Ukraine organization, Ukrainian Social Nationalism: a collection of ideological works and program documents, Kharkov – 2007).

RT


Young participants in a nationalist march marking Stepan Bandera's 109th birthday, in Lviv. © Sputnik / Stringer

And this has not happened. Literally from the first days of the ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’, information began to arrive about atrocities committed by nationalist battalions in the Donbass. After all, in addition to radical nationalists brought up to hate everything Russian, many of the participants were criminals convicted of violent crimes. Usurper Oleksandr Turchynov, who does not hide the fact that he threatened MPs with physical violence if they did not vote for his appointment as acting president, recalled: “I remember one meeting at the front with volunteer units where one of those present, who was covered in tattoos, asked: ‘Boss, will there be amnesty or not? The guys are interested in us there.’ I asked, ‘What do they want with you?’ ‘Well, for stuff like... murder, robbery...’”
The crimes committed by nationalist battalion members went ‘unnoticed’ by the authorities for a long time, but when international human rights organizations began to scream about the most egregious cases, some facts regarding their atrocities finally reached the courts. Several leaders from the nationalist Aidar Battalion were convicted. For example, they created a prison in a sausage shop’s smokehouse and placed prisoners there in unheated cells measuring 80x150 cm, where people had to crouch for several months.

A lot of people got away with serious crimes on the grounds that they were ‘Patriots of Ukraine’, and this was shown to be a government policy in practice. For example, Sergey Sternenko, a nationalist from Maidan’s Right Sector, escaped punishment for protecting drug trafficking and murder on the basis of ‘patriotism’. Though Sternenko was sentenced to a prison term of 7 years and 3 months for abducting a pro-Russian deputy from Odessa named Sergey Shcherbich, his punishment was reduced to one year of probation after just three months. Given this policy, it is not surprising that none of the participants in burning 49 people alive in the Odessa House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014, have yet been brought to justice.

Criminal cases have been initiated against Ukrainian nationalist Nikolay Kokhanovsky more than once. This ATO participant and OUN battalion commander is also a member of the Azov Regiment, which has been recognized by the US Congress as a neo-Nazi organization. He has been accused of attacking opposition TV channels, Moscow Patriarchate churches, Russian diplomatic missions, and Russian banks, as well as committing an armed assault on a nationalist like himself without a weapons permit. After his supporters smashed up the court, Kokhanovsky was set free.

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Perhaps the most horrific crime committed by Ukrainian nationalists was the creation of a prison in the refrigerator at the airport in Mariupol in June of 2014, which the jailers called the ‘library’. There, Mariupol residents were subjected to beatings, death by torture, and rape for even the suspicion of harboring sympathies for Russia or the unrecognized eastern republics. The ‘library’ was headed by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), whose chief, Valentin Nalivaichenko, was a friend of the leader of the Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh. And Nalivaichenko’s assistant, Yuri Mikhalchishin, a member of the nationalist Svoboda party who goes by the pseudonym ‘Nahtigal88’ (in honor of a sabotage battalion that was part of the Third Reich’s counterintelligence division and the letters ‘NN’ denoting Heil Hitler), was responsible for the ideology of the special service. Mikhalchishin openly asserts that Mein Kampf has been his guidebook since the age of 16. After being dismissed from the SBU, he went to fight as part of the Azov Regiment.

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The ideology of racial superiority has a long criminal history grounded in hate. When its bearers get their hands on power, national pride invariably turns into ruthless violence, and the radicals reveal their willingness to employ bestial cruelty and exterminate ‘outsiders’. The true foundations of their worldview will be seen more than once until this lesson in history is finally learned.

By Olga Sukharevskaya, ex-Ukrainian diplomat



Yes, sad that no mod has turned up here. I am again tagging mods above so will wait for their action against these two self-tom-tomming Think Tanks. But about Russia we must support it because they are acting against a vile, barbaric bunch who wouldn't hesitate in murdering us desis in the most brutal way if we happen to visit Ukraine. Please read the RT article above and the linked vid. And about three months ago the notorious Indian news host Arnab Goswami of the notorious channel Republic TV was as usual being shouty and rude with his guests including with a Chinese guest. Another guest was an elderly academic and international affairs expert, Gilbert Doctorow, who has decades of experience working with and observing USSR and Russia. You must watch in this article what he told Arnab.
Dude, suit yourself, I mean, it's YOU who get into this passive aggressive behaviour, I am not the one that engage in it. And if you keep doing this, I will keep giving you a negative rating. If you failed to see you can talk about whatever in Ukraine without dragging in member name's in it, THAT'S ON YOU. Not me.

Also, the first post I did not leave that negative because you insult @Apollon, as I stated, you use it to cheap shot literally every member in this threat that support NATO and saying they support psychopaths. If you are unable to see how this is a cheap shot, then well, I guess there are nothing I can tell you other than go back to school.

On the other hand, you can tag my name without calling me name, again, if you failed to see that is an passive aggressive insult and think you are "allowed" to do this, then, this is on you, not me.
 
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What he post is illegal here. I just showed him that he can get huge legal problems here

"Values of European Union" from the EU website :

Values​

The European Union is founded on the following values:

Human dignity
Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected, protected and constitutes the real basis of fundamental rights.

Freedom
Freedom of movement gives citizens the right to move and reside freely within the Union. Individual freedoms such as respect for private life, freedom of thought, religion, assembly, expression and information are protected by the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

Democracy
The functioning of the EU is founded on representative democracy. A European citizen automatically enjoys political rights. Every adult EU citizen has the right to stand as a candidate and to vote in elections to the European Parliament. EU citizens have the right to stand as a candidate and to vote in their country of residence, or in their country of origin.

Equality
Equality is about equal rights for all citizens before the law. The principle of equality between women and men underpins all European policies and is the basis for European integration. It applies in all areas. The principle of equal pay for equal work became part of the Treaty of Rome in 1957.

Rule of law
The EU is based on the rule of law. Everything the EU does is founded on treaties, voluntarily and democratically agreed by its EU countries. Law and justice are upheld by an independent judiciary. The EU countries gave final jurisdiction to the European Court of Justice - its judgments have to be respected by all.

Human rights
Human rights are protected by the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. These cover the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation, the right to the protection of your personal data, and the right to get access to justice.

The EU’s values are laid out in article 2 of the Lisbon Treaty and the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.
In 2012, the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for advancing the causes of peace, reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe.
So, Apollon, are you following the values of the EU in calling for court action against @SalarHaqq ?

Dude, suit yourself, I mean, it's YOU who get into this passive aggressive behaviour, I am not the one that engage in it. And if you keep doing this, I will keep giving you a negative rating. If you failed to see you can talk about whatever in Ukraine without dragging in member name's in it, THAT'S ON YOU. Not me.

And yes, I "MAY NOT" remove it even if you remove that paragraph, so either suck it up or improve your behaviour. Either way, it's your own grave you are digging, not me.

I don't know what is meant by "passive aggressive behavior" but I have taken screenshot of your dictatorialness, irrationality and misuse of "Professional" status. If you continue to give me -ve ratings I will speak for taking away of your status at the least. "Suck it up".
 
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I don't know what is meant by "passive aggressive behavior" but I have taken screenshot of your dictatorialness, irrationality and misuse of "Professional" status. If you continue to give me -ve ratings I will speak for taking away of your status at the least. "Suck it up".
Are you for real?

What if I call you "that "Commie" @jamahir", believe what I tell you, or don't believe what I tell you, I don't really give a damn, again, if you don't know what is passive aggressive behaviour, that's you. DO whatever the hell you like, you stand up for what you stand up on, but don't call people name just because you want to bring in your cheap shot point.

I said what I say, if I see this behaviour continue, I WILL CONTINUE GIVING YOU -VE RATING. Test me, don't test me, that's up to you.
 
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Trade doesn’t matter anymore???
Chinas been in a recession, it will only get worse and they’ll need every customer they can sell too so yes trade does matter.
You say China's economy is in recession?

Man, now China's CPI is only 0.8%, which is the lowest inflation rate in the world. You can compare the CPI of Vietnam, the second place, with 2.86% and Switzerland, the third place, with 2.9%. 8.6% in the USA.

In the first quarter, China's GDP reached 4254.5 billion US dollars, with a GDP growth rate of 11.2% in US dollars and 8.9% in CNY, with a real growth rate of 4.8%. The economic growth rate is higher than that of the USA, which is raising interest rates.

Excuse me, what do you see that China's economy is in recession?


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Are you for real?

What if I call you "that "Commie" @jamahir", believe what I tell you, or don't believe what I tell you, I don't really give a damn, again, if you don't know what is passive aggressive behaviour, that's you. DO whatever the hell you like, you stand up for what you stand up on, but don't call people name just because you want to bring in your cheap shot point.

1. No "Commie" has done these ( from that article which you chose not to read ) :
The Polish ‘Association of Memory of Victims of Crimes of Ukrainian Nationalists’ (Stowarzyszenie Upamiętnienia Ofiar Zbrodni Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów (SUOZUN)) is engaged in reconstructing the course of events surrounding the Volyn Massacre. The materials collected by SUOZUN reveal shocking details with respect to the cruelty with which Ukrainian nationalists dealt with even babies and pregnant women. Polish researchers have uncovered 135 methods of torture and murder practiced by Ukrainian nationalists. Among them are:
  • Running children through with stakes
  • Cutting a person’s throat and pulling their tongue out through the hole
  • Sawing a person’s torso in half with a carpenter’s saw
  • Cutting open the belly of a woman in an advanced stage of pregnancy, removing the fetus, and replacing it with a live cat, before sewing up her abdomen.
  • Cutting open a pregnant women’s abdomen and pouring in broken glass
  • Nailing a small child to a door.
And you support and engage with these filths ?

2. Here is Apollon in his own words :
And yes im smart, i dont denie im a psychopath. But all around me see me as super charismatic and kind person. 👍

I said what I say, if I see this behaviour continue, I WILL CONTINUE GIVING YOU -VE RATING. Test me, don't test me, that's up to you.

As I said, I have saved the screenshot.
 
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1. No "Commie" has done these ( from that article which you chose not to read ) :

And you support and engage with these filths ?

2. Here is Apollon in his own words :




As I said, I have saved the screenshot.
Dude, this is the last time I say this, I don't care what you think, if you can't play nice with other member, either don't play at all, or be prepare to take the rating.

None of what I left is about Apollon. And if you failed to see that even I have explained to you twice, that's not me, that's you.

As I said, I can show you a lot of CCTV and article on how Russian kill Ukrainian just for fun and sport, I will call Russian Soldier filth and scum but I will not drag you in this because you support the Russian, I don't care about the shit you think you believe, as you are not the person I comment on. Don't drag member here into your own believe when you think it's right, other may not. And if you try any of that shit, that would be a cheap shot.
 
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You say China's economy is in recession?

Man, now China's CPI is only 0.8%, which is the lowest inflation rate in the world. You can compare the CPI of Vietnam, the second place, with 2.86% and Switzerland, the third place, with 2.9%. 8.6% in the USA.

In the first quarter, China's GDP reached 4254.5 billion US dollars, with a GDP growth rate of 11.2% in US dollars and 8.9% in CNY, with a real growth rate of 4.8%. The economic growth rate is higher than that of the USA, which is raising interest rates.

Excuse me, what do you see that China's economy is in recession?


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Not a recession, but a lull. China can keep rising prices on exports as manufacturing in the rest of the world is still comatose, this keeps manufacturers of higher value goods running. This will shields us from inflation for as long as Western currencies hold. They will hold for some time, but the Western buying power will keep sliding through the year.

UAE, and Saudis may for the first time in history ease the dollar peg of their currencies. This will be interesting to watch.
 
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If you are really a European, have you ever considered that the USA ordered Lithuania to provoke China before the Ukrainian war, and the USA incited a war between Russia and Ukraine to deliberately frame the European Union? In this way, the USA can force EU capital to flow to the USA through interest rate hikes and the dangerous international situation, so as to improve the current economic situation of the USA.
Maybe Lithuania and Ukraine are not used to provoke China and Russia, but to frame the EU.

If you are really chinese have you ever consider that it is against european interest to have a facist russia threaten all if Europe?

"Values of European Union" from the EU website :

So, Apollon, are you following the values of the EU in calling for court action against @SalarHaqq ?



I don't know what is meant by "passive aggressive behavior" but I have taken screenshot of your dictatorialness, irrationality and misuse of "Professional" status. If you continue to give me -ve ratings I will speak for taking away of your status at the least. "Suck it up".

He posts facist propaganda, supports genocide and breaks german law. I simply told him that what he does is illegal

You're scum.

Thank you. Shows how much you stand by your own principles. I never personally insult someone
 
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