Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments
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Western tank yes, modern no.Ah sorry you are right.
Ah cool
Spain will deliver Leopard 2A4 to Ukraine.
For the first time ever Ukraine will receive modern western tanks. Ukraine can expect to get 40 Leo’s.
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The thing is from the 70s
The Leopard 2A4 is still a relatively modern tank, at least if not compared to newer designs like the Leopard 2A7 or T-14 Armata. Against tanks from a similar era or cheaper tanks that are more modern, it would still fair pretty well. Against a tank like a Challenger 2 or an M1A2 SEP Abrams, not so much
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So so shoes those things were invented long ago. Leopard today is not the same when it was developed. The newest is Leopard 2A7plus.
LEOPARD 2 A7+ - KNDS
Der LEOPARD 2 A7+ wurde für die neuen Aufgaben der deutschen Bundeswehr entwickelt und qualifiziert. Die Bundeswehr erhält damit den weltweit modernsten Kampfpanzer mit erweiterter Führungsfähigkeit.
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After Russia announced the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from Severdonetsk, here is the most important information about this city:
- It is the 5th largest city in Ukraine
- 25.5% of the population works in the mining industry
- It ranks second among the cities of #Ukraine in terms of sales of industrial goods, accounting for 5.7% of the country's economy in 2016
Governor of Lugansk region: control of the city of Severodonetsk divided equally between Ukrainian and Russian forces
- It is the 5th largest city in Ukraine
- 25.5% of the population works in the mining industry
- It ranks second among the cities of #Ukraine in terms of sales of industrial goods, accounting for 5.7% of the country's economy in 2016
Governor of Lugansk region: control of the city of Severodonetsk divided equally between Ukrainian and Russian forces
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Rumour at the hill
US is mulling sending M1A1 Abrams (At least AIM v2 version) that the Marine gave up to Ukraine. There are about 3000 of those currently in storage doing nothing.
This has been on the table since the drawdown bill passed. The Bill called for 2 billions worth (roughly 50) M1A1 AIM v2 tank recently relinquished by the Marine to transfer to Ukraine.
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The Spanish government is ready to supply Ukraine with heavy weapons, including tanks and anti-aircraft missiles.
Joe Biden faces panic among EU leaders over Russia's success in Ukraine - The Washington Post
"Biden's most urgent task was the need to calm terrified European allies who had begun talking about peace at any cost."
Ukrainian General Staff: Russia continues to target military and civilian infrastructure in Kiev
Reality. It does no good to supply weapons to Ukraine which they are untrained in and don’t know how to maintain and supply It takes time to train mechanics and tank crews. Just giving someone tanks doesn’t solve much at all (except for make those tanks with rookie crews sitting ducks).
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Even with not well trained crews its still better than the russian trash. Beside that there are training programs
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Well, consider Master Gunnery Course at Fort Benning is 39 days. And a Driving course is around 20 days. It will not be hard to train to US Tanker level, even if they were to shorten the course to 30 days. I mean it is going to take time to deliver the tank to Ukraine anyway, so what US can do, if they really are sending these to Ukraine, they will probably fly the Ukrainian to Fort Benning, started training while loading the tank on ships and ship them to Ukraine while the Ukrainian tanker train stateside.
As for Maintenance. Poland is buying M1 Abrams, and there are US army facilities that can service them in Poland.
The only thing I have question is the Tank Commander, that's a 19 weeks course (I went thru that course) yes, it teaches you everything but you can't really uses Eastern Doctrine to operate a Western Tank/
That seems incredibly impractical. Have to train crews to use them which takes forever, Have to get them there which is a pain in the neck and takes forever. Have to also send all of the support staff and vehicles which is a pain in the *** and will take forever and then for what? In a defensive war that is a siege tanks have some severe disadvantages.
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