FYI
Moscow and Kyiv fundamentally disagree on the provisions of the only peace plan they have.
www.lowyinstitute.org
Donbas is part of Ukraine and it is for the Ukranians to decide how it is governed.
I acknowledge that Yanukovych government was in part responsible for fueling political dissent and separatist crisis in Donbas (and Crimea)
but these movements could not succeed without active Russian patronage and support.
Check following reports:
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www.vox.com
Russia's annexation of Crimea was a decisive use of military force toward political ends. But Russia benefited from favorable circumstances that make this hard to replicate. Moscow likely considers its campaign in Eastern Ukraine a strategic success but an unsuccessful operation.
www.rand.org
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Russians were actively involved in supporting separatists in Donbas. Russians annexed Crimea in 2014 and made it impractical for Ukraine to reclaim entire Donbas. This is the controversy that you do not seem to understand.
Which side was backing the controversial Yanukovych government? Which side took full advantage of the resulting chaos?
From Vox:
"This all began as an internal Ukrainian crisis in November 2013, when President Viktor Yanukovych rejected a deal for greater integration with the European Union (here's why this was such a big deal), sparking mass protests, which Yanukovych attempted to put down violently. Russia backed Yanukovych in the crisis, while the US and Europe supported the protesters.
Since then, several big things have happened. In February, anti-government protests toppled the government and ran Yanukovych out of the country. Russia, trying to salvage its lost influence in Ukraine, invaded and annexed Crimea the next month. In April, pro-Russia separatist rebels began seizing territory in eastern Ukraine. The rebels shot down Malaysian Airlines flight 17 on July 17, killing 298 people, probably accidentally. Fighting between the rebels and the Ukrainian military intensified, the rebels started losing, and, in August, the Russian army overtly invaded eastern Ukraine to support the rebels. This has all brought the relationship between Russia and the West to its lowest point since the Cold War. Sanctions are pushing the Russian economy to the brink of recession, and more than 2,500 Ukrainians have been killed."
Clear enough?
I am
not discussing your life here.
Our discussion is about controversial role of Russia in supporting separatism in Donbas since 2014. See above.
I also pointed out current realities in my previous post:
"Russia found it easier to take Crimea but Donbas have mixed population base where many are accepting of Zelenskyy administration. How do you think Mariupol resisted for so long? This is but one location. There are pockets of resistance in other locations as well. Just look at the number of Russian troops involved in this location.
There is a limit to how much commoners can resist by the way. Many are not trained to fight a war. Russia is also forcibly deporting as many commoners as it can to its mainland to give the impression that these are refugees. Some have managed to escape from Russia and exposed this development. Russians will tell you a different story of-course.
Even a Russian source is admitting the obvious:
After three weeks of sheltering in their basement, Marina, Sergei and their two children, aged 6 and 19, made the difficult decision to flee their home in northeastern Ukraine — but unlike millions of other Ukrainians, they headed east rather than west.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Ukranian refugees in Russia are not happy. They want to leave."
You do not seem to understand how so many Ukranians felt about Russian intervention in Donbas. They did not like it.
I have shared so much information with you in my posts only for you to ignore much of it.
Take your time to check the links provided by me and try to comprehend my statements in relation. You do not have to respond to my posts on immediate basis. You need to digest information provided by me to have a better understanding of developments in Ukraine.
Also, both SRT/GR and QM are European inventions, so that's another side debate.
