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Relax, she just says what many think, Russians are Asian savages. Without Ukraine, Russia is an Asian country like China or Bangladesh. Not anything against Asians I am Asian myself.
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If you use the same pervert obscene logic that Russia is attempting to use on Ukraine - then Germany has every right to conquer Kaliningrad take it over as they have a much better historical claim over the land as does Poland to an extent as well though further back in time.
Russia has no business owning Kaliningrad.
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Yes, Russians are Asian savages as against the kindly Anglos of USA military who used depleted uranium ammunition in Iraq and caused cancers among two generations of Iraqis or the other kindly European Belgians who massacred Libyans.
This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far. One of the main grievances Russia had with Ukraine was the fact that it was being groomed for NATO membership – a national security risk which Moscow deemed as completely unacceptable.
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed how German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky a peace deal only days before Russia launched its “Special Military Operations” in Ukraine on February 24th. But Zelensky turned down the deal – claiming that Putin couldn’t be trusted to keep his promises.
It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.” Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”
This revelation really exposes two key points. Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour. Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA.
It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has. Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.
All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.
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Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed how German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky a peace deal only days before Russia launched its “Special Military Operations” in Ukraine on February 24th. But Zelensky turned down the deal – claiming that Putin couldn’t be trusted to keep his promises.
It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.” Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”
This revelation really exposes two key points. Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour. Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA.
It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has. Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.
All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.
REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It - 21st Century Wire
21WIRE | This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far.
Putin wanted Ukraine to renounce NATO aspirations but he also wanted to 'liberate' Russian speaking regions in eastern Ukraine. So it's not clear how he would reconcile his two demands.
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I'd advise to read again. I wrote 'NATO regimes', not simply 'NATO'. And NATO's the collective military arm of these imperialist regimes, used by the latter to impose their yoke on nations. There's no paranoia in this statement, given how it reflects reality.
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You did not reply to my post in 'Whatever'.
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Neutrality would not hinder the war. Zekenskky is right. Because the war is on since annexing of the Crime, plus, people forget Russia since years staging proxy war with Donbas separatists. Ten thousands of Ukraine died. Putin said he wanted to liberate Ukraine from Nazi. He wants Ukraine to disarm. He wants the East. He wants lots of things. NATO free is just one of multiple demands.This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far. One of the main grievances Russia had with Ukraine was the fact that it was being groomed for NATO membership – a national security risk which Moscow deemed as completely unacceptable.
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed how German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky a peace deal only days before Russia launched its “Special Military Operations” in Ukraine on February 24th. But Zelensky turned down the deal – claiming that Putin couldn’t be trusted to keep his promises.
It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.” Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”
This revelation really exposes two key points. Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour. Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA.
It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has. Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.
All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.
REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It - 21st Century Wire
21WIRE | This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far.
Noone is stopping you. Certainly not me. But we do give the option of finding a better place to live if you don't like it in the west.
NATO could expand to Japan and Korea and anyone else in Asia who wants it, but these countries already have a better defence pact than NATO. I am sure Japan does not want to feel obligated to defend Montenegro and Macedonia if they were ever attacked.
But maybe an asian NATO should be formed, preferably with democracies. Phillipines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore. Korea,
You are Vietnamese, I dot know how you feel about Vietnam being democratic at least to some degree.
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Great to know, I learnt something new today.
These was nothing that could stop Putin from invading because he wanted to expand Russia's borders. That pretty clear to everyone.This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far. One of the main grievances Russia had with Ukraine was the fact that it was being groomed for NATO membership – a national security risk which Moscow deemed as completely unacceptable.
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal revealed how German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky a peace deal only days before Russia launched its “Special Military Operations” in Ukraine on February 24th. But Zelensky turned down the deal – claiming that Putin couldn’t be trusted to keep his promises.
It turns out that Scholz was in the process of brokering a deal and told Zelensky during his visit to the Munich Security Conference on February 19th, “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,” and that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.” Incredibly, Zelensky rejected the offer to make a concession by declaring NATO neutrality, and thus avoid a war with Russia, and claimed that, “Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.”
This revelation really exposes two key points. Firstly, that as a head of state, Zelensky is either grossly incompetent or completely reckless to needlessly place his country on the path to war with its neighbour. Secondly, it indicates the level of control that Washington has over his government, as he is being advised at every step of the way by the US State Department and CIA.
It’s no secret that the US and UK have been egging-on Kiev to fight NATO’s war with Russia on their behalf – even if that means placing Kiev into an unwinnable position where it may end up having its armed forces completely destroyed, and Ukraine losing even more territory than it already has. Maybe Zelensky could have defused tensions 6 months ago by disavowing NATO aspirations and declaring Ukraine a neutral state. Such a declaration would certainly be welcome by Russia today, but in light of the West’s continued proxy war against Moscow, and the US and UK-led campaign to ‘cancel’ Russia from the global economic and financial system, as well as media, culture and sport, then it’s safe to say things have moved on considerably from this being just a NATO issue.
All of this makes Zelensky more a liability than an asset for the future of Ukraine.
REVEALED: Zelensky Was Offered a Peace Deal to Prevent War, But Rejected It - 21st Century Wire
21WIRE | This may end up being one of the most extraordinary revelations of this entire conflict so far.
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