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Foinikas said:
Zelensky ordered a mobilization at the night of the second of fourth day,if I remember correctly. The Russians had on the borders for weeks,he kept complaining to the West that the Russians will invade...and he didn't even mobilize all the reserves.
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The west is the one calling an invasion on Ukraine, Zelenskyy did not believe the intel from the west and he did not call for an general mobilisation until the Russian actually did invade, instead, he went to a skiing holiday...I don't think he cry and complaining to the west that Russian will invade until it is virtually too late. Before Feb 20, his tone is "Don't Spread Rumor, it hurt business"

This article summed up the mood in Ukraine and with Zelenskyy very well. And we know 10 days after this article is published, Russian indeed had invaded

www.vox.com

Enough with the Ukraine war predictions

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s revealing joke about a February 16 invasion, explained.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

In effect, Zelenskyy only really believe in Invasion is imminent right about the time Putin announce LNR and DPR as independent state. Around Feb 20-22.
 
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Wood said:
Donbass was a territory in Ukraine. Putin's shenanigans there created an insurgency. Ukraine did not invade a foreign country by dealing with the insurgency there. :agree:
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IS, not "was"

And judging the way and length the Russian took Mariupol (still has not fall on day 30), I really doubt Russia can do anything with the entire Donbas region. It's a lot better entrenched than the city, lay out with defensive network, plus you are giving the Ukrainian 30 days to improve the defence infrastructure, also, unlike Mariupol, Donbas region is still opened. Which mean supply is going to flow thru.

I mean if Russia cannot take Mariupol in the next couple of days, they virtually have no chance to take the entire Donbas in the whole 2022, or beyond. On the other hand, Ukrainian is starting to move over to Kherson, once they have retake Kherson (some report suggested part of Kherson is already in Ukrainian hand) that's more or less game over on Russian Southern attack, unless they fancy losing Crimea and have the entire south cut off....

mmr said:
China is not that dumb to buy all its energy needs from russia. They will keep there energy sources diversified as much as possible to minimize the risk to its economy.
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lol, probably not after they just see Russia blackmail the European in this war.

I mean, literally, Russia just burn their bridge on the European, and then turn around and say to the Chinese "Would you want a bite of that apple..." It may cost you some of your land.............lol
 
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jhungary said:
IS, not "was"

And judging the way and length the Russian took Mariupol (still has not fall on day 30), I really doubt Russia can do anything with the entire Donbas region. It's a lot better entrenched than the city, lay out with defensive network, plus you are giving the Ukrainian 30 days to improve the defence infrastructure, also, unlike Mariupol, Donbas region is still opened. Which mean supply is going to flow thru.

I mean if Russia cannot take Mariupol in the next couple of days, they virtually have no chance to take the entire Donbas in the whole 2022, or beyond. On the other hand, Ukrainian is starting to move over to Kherson, once they have retake Kherson (some report suggested part of Kherson is already in Ukrainian hand) that's more or less game over on Russian Southern attack, unless they fancy losing Crimea and have the entire south cut off....
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Kherson has already fallen to Ukraine.

Ukraine is now moving south to takeover Crimea.

France, Turkiye and Greece have sent ships into Black sea to support the Ukrainian Troops fighting the Southern front.
 
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Foinikas said:
Well no NATO member decided to leave yet,that's why. Imagine if one of the eastern countries leaves NATO. Immediate intervention for regime change,riots,suddenly the economy goes bad etc.

In the case of Greece,they will use Turkey and in the case of Turkey,they will support and fund Greece.

In the case of Western and Central European countries,they will treat them just like they treated France with the submarine deals.

It's not easy leaving NATO. Americans won't allow it.
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France seems to be able to do it.

SuvarnaTeja said:
Kherson has already fallen to Ukraine.

Ukraine is now moving south to takeover Crimea.

France, Turkiye and Greece have sent ships into Black sea to support the Ukrainian Troops fighting the Southern front.
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Kherson has not been retaken, there are no evidence to suggest that it did,
 
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zartosht said:
You are assuming that Russia is trying to take every single place its troops get close to.

It is actually a brilliant strategy. By having forces near kiev, mariupol, kharkiv and donbass region. They force the ukies to commit huge portions of their army into defending everywhere from a potential attack. and prevents them from massing to defend a single area. and keeps them constantly guessing about Russias moves. and will be an absolute logistical nightmare.

They could be simply diversionary troops. its a pretty common tactic actually. And the Ukies might even be able to recapture a village here and there from these diversionary troops.

but in reality while everyone is fapping to CIA propaganda on twitter, Russia is getting very close to capturing a second major ukie city of mariupol along the black sea, and getting ever closer to landlocking ukraine. The west is even trying to evacuate its agents in some turk,greek,french civilian saving cover operation knowing the end is near
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Interesting analysis.
Making Ukraine a landlocked country even at the expense of several thousands Russian lives and able to fortify the gains along the coastal Ukraine and along the eastern Ukraine, even for a few hundred miles, would be major strategic gains for Russia. The Russian then would and should call a ceasefire on those gains without having to ask more from Ukraine except a pledge of neutrality.

And if Russia achieves those, sort of, minimal goals then I'd call Russia a winner with a very bloody nose. And I don't think any amount of sanctions would cripple Russia long term. Empires have been forged by shedding blood and, despite all the modern sensitivities, human beings are still the same primitive brutes. What gets established on the ground far outweighs a million social media victories.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1507436353528770567

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507435268839727116

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507433340470759428

The West sold Ukraine and the price is weakening Russia.. You will not find a Western country that will defend the Ukrainian land, even if it is burned to the ground. They send weapons to weaken the Russians, in a comprehensive plan..

The West is acting in a stupid way, it has exhausted all sanctions against the Russians at once..

If Russia wiped out Ukraine with chemical weapons or other weapons, no one would interfere other than with statements and condemnations.. As any military intervention in any form means the outbreak of a nuclear war, and the Russians announced it explicitly from the beginning,,
And Europe will not enter a nuclear war or a devastating war for the sake of Ukraine..

After all these sanctions, Putin will not leave Ukraine, no matter what happens. He will swallow up the whole country.. or at least he will swallow it softly through negotiations by disarming it and having it recognizing Crimea and Donbass and establish a government loyal to Russia..

In general, the old world has ended..now the stage of alliances..the east with the alliance of Russia and China.. With the scuffing of two Indian legs.. a dangerous trio.. this means the era of unipolar western hegemony has ended completely over the world..!?
 
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Trango Towers said:
But Russia will not stand for that. These are the foundations of a world war
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I would have agreed to that before the current conflict. But now, I don't think Russia would feel confident about starting an offensive war with NATO given their performance in Ukraine. :what:
 
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