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Germany has a lot to answer for and many - correctly - hold German decisions as an ingredient into what is happening. Once this is over(one way or the other) - there will be a lot of discussions on German decision making and the consequences of those decisions..
It’s 50:50.
50 pct lies on Germany. refusing Ukraine to NATO, allowing north stream 1 and 2 bypassing Ukraine and East Europe.
50 pct on Ukraine itself, for giving up nuclear weapons.
 
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It was claimed as a protest that Russian cosmonauts going to the International Space Station wore yellow and blue overalls, which are also the colors of the Ukrainian flag. Cosmonauts made a statement about the controversial images and said that it is not about Ukraine.

It is very dire that cosmonauts even feel the need to make a statement on this matter. Unfortunately, war propaganda can put even scientists' careers at risk. Those who spread these rumors, of course, do not care who they hurt.

Ukraine don't own the colors yellow and blue anymore than China owns the colors yellow and red.
 
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Russia's amphibious operation dilemma
Russian MoD image from an exercise

Russia’s Amphibious Operation Dilemma​

The war between Russia and Ukraine is four weeks old. Speculation about possible landing operations has always existed, as Russia has reinforced its Black Sea Fleet with additional landing assets and the amphibious task force has been present in the Black Sea since the beginning of the war.​

Tayfun Ozberk 20 Mar 2022

The possibility of a Russian amphibious operation has been on the table since the escalation of tensions between Ukraine and Russia. There have been strong indications pointing to a future landing operation, such as the deployment of additional landing ships to the Black Sea, the conduct of naval exercises based on amphibious operations in conjunction with airborne operations, etc.

On the other hand, Naval News recently mentioned in an analysis that an amphibious operation would be a risky decision for Russia, which can dominate the Black Sea without Ukrainian resistance, due to the structure of Ukrainian coasts and the general nature of amphibious operations, which require many casualties.

“Terrain constraints, amphibious lift limitations, difficulty sustaining air dominance, and logistical issues all point to the dangerous nature of any Russian amphibious operation in the Black Sea. As a result, Russia’s decision to start an amphibious operation is solely dependent on how much loss it can tolerate.”

Activities of Amphibious Task Groups​

Russia’s amphibious units have been on the scene since the beginning of the war. One amphibious group has been operating in the Sea of Azov, while another, the larger group has been traversing off the coast of Odesa. The force composition is large enough to pose a threat to the coast, but there have been no visually verified amphibious operations to date.

Mariupol Operation​

According to USNI’s 25 February report, Russia’s amphibious force in the Sea of Azov launched landing operations near Mariupol. Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby told reporters that the Pentagon didn’t have “perfect visibility” on the assault and couldn’t provide specific numbers for how many troops Russians landed via landing ships.

The UK Ministry of Defence touched on this subject in an intelligence update feed via Twitter on February 26 and said that Russia has likely conducted an amphibious landing in southern Ukraine between Melitopol and Mariupol.

Though there are intelligence reports from the U.S. and the UK, neither Russian nor Ukrainian officials didn’t confirm a landing operation in the Mariupol region. Moreover, there is no visually verified landing activity while landing, just footage showing a few tanks proceeding on the road.

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma
Russian landing ships approaching Berdyansk (Anonymous photo circulating on social media)
Three weeks after these claims, Russian forces captured Berdyansk, a port city west of Mariupol, but this invasion was not the result of an amphibious operation. Russian landing ships approached the port after the city had been captured by Russian forces from land.

Amphibious Threat to Odesa​

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma
Click to Enlarge. Analysis of Sentinel 2 satellite imagery shows three groups of warships approaching the coast. We can say with confidence that these are Russian, and include landing ships.
The Russian amphibious task force, which poses a direct threat to Odesa, has been stationed off the west of the Crimean Peninsula since the beginning of the war. The group usually stays south of Donuzlav Bay (probably for protection from the winds and waves coming from the north) and moves west to be visible from the coast, traversing between east and west.

On March 15, there were certain signs of Russia’s preparations for a landing at Odessa. According to H. I. Sutton’s OSINT analysis, three groups of ships were on their way to Odessa, two of which consisted of fighting ships and one of several landing ships.

“The group, forming in an easterly direction, appears to be led by a tug or minesweeper. This ship appears to be towing a minesweeper. Behind it are two Ropucha-class landing ships, another tug, and the following Ropucha.”

H I Sutton, OSINT Analyst
Meanwhile, Russian naval and air forces reportedly conducted missile strikes in and around the coastal city of Odessa. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry states that a total of 90 missiles were fired, several of which were intercepted by air defense systems or landed outside the city. This was counted as a pre-landing phase, called “preparation of the amphibious area of operations” for the landing forces, aimed at breaking Ukrainian resistance to Russian landing forces to reduce potential casualties during the landing.

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma
Sattelite image prepared by H I Sutton
The movements of amphibious ships, the formation of supporting ships, the use of a minesweeper to guide task group from safe waters, a heavy bombardment of the coastline were clear indications of a landing operation. There were several photos showing Ukrainian preparations to defend Odesa, including tanks and artillery in urban areas ready to attack the coast, and numerous positions on the coast to prevent a landing operation.

Contrary to expectations, Russia did not launch an amphibious operation to Odessa, and the day after the bombardment, the amphibious task group resumed its previous actions.

Assault or Demonstration?​

Russias-amphibious-operation-dilemma-3-1024x367.jpg
Photo credit: H I Sutton (https://twitter.com/CovertShores)
It is difficult to comprehend Russia’s plans for amphibious operations. To understand this, we need to know what Putin has on his agenda, and the most significant point here is how much loss he can risk. However, due to the difficulty of such an operation and the fact that it is a high-loss operation, this option was difficult from the beginning.

On the other hand, the performance of Russian forces in terms of command and control and logistical support did not seem bright so far. At this C2 and logistics level, the outcome of an amphibious operation can be disastrous for Russian amphibious forces. In addition, Russian landing ships are at sea for four weeks, which means that the infantry battalions that are supposed to conduct landing operations are not in good shape. Being stuck in a small landing ship not only causes fatigue but also negatively affects the soldiers’ will to fight.

When these new difficulties are added to the previously indicated hardnesses for an amphibious operation, the likelihood of such an operation decreases. As the war wore on, however, both the cost of the war and the sanctions imposed on Russia by Western countries began to put Putin in a difficult position. When the invasion reaches this level, it seems difficult for Russia to return without getting what it wants. Therefore, will Russia conduct an amphibious operation to break the determination of Ukraine by capturing Odesa, even if it will cause many casualties? It’s hard to say “no”.

So why is Russia wearing out its amphibious forces by keeping them at sea when it is not conducting amphibious operations? In naval literature, this is called an “Amphibious Demonstration“.

“An amphibious demonstration is a show of force that stops short of an actual landing. Demonstrations are conducted to deceive the enemy or, in situations short of hostilities, to signal presence and intent.”

Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.
Russia creates the perception that there is a threat in this region by constantly performing amphibious demonstrations off Odessa, thus keeping Odessa on constant alert, which causes it to keep soldiers in this region. This situation precludes troops waiting to defend the Odessa coastline from supporting forces fighting in other places.

The next weeks appear to resolve Russia’s dilemma in amphibious operations.

 
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@Piotr
I have a question. Is Poland willing to accept Lviv as Polish territory?

Now Russia is not even willing to set up a no fly zone in Lviv. Obviously, Russia does not want Lviv.

I can understand why Russia doesn't want Lviv, but the Polish govt may not be willing to accept this territory.

Is Poland willing to accept Lviv? This is a large territory, and Lviv's residents are mainly poles and Lithuanians. But Lviv is poor, and Lviv has millions of Ukrainian refugees, and that means Poland borders Russia directly. Of course, I think the EU certainly wants Poland to accept Lviv, but I want to know how poles think about this issue.

In some circles in Poland there are speculations about regaining what is now western Ukraine.
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Personaly I don't think this is going to happen. We will see.
 
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Russia's amphibious operation dilemma's amphibious operation dilemma
Russian MoD image from an exercise

Russia’s Amphibious Operation Dilemma​

The war between Russia and Ukraine is four weeks old. Speculation about possible landing operations has always existed, as Russia has reinforced its Black Sea Fleet with additional landing assets and the amphibious task force has been present in the Black Sea since the beginning of the war.​

Tayfun Ozberk 20 Mar 2022

The possibility of a Russian amphibious operation has been on the table since the escalation of tensions between Ukraine and Russia. There have been strong indications pointing to a future landing operation, such as the deployment of additional landing ships to the Black Sea, the conduct of naval exercises based on amphibious operations in conjunction with airborne operations, etc.

On the other hand, Naval News recently mentioned in an analysis that an amphibious operation would be a risky decision for Russia, which can dominate the Black Sea without Ukrainian resistance, due to the structure of Ukrainian coasts and the general nature of amphibious operations, which require many casualties.


Activities of Amphibious Task Groups​

Russia’s amphibious units have been on the scene since the beginning of the war. One amphibious group has been operating in the Sea of Azov, while another, the larger group has been traversing off the coast of Odesa. The force composition is large enough to pose a threat to the coast, but there have been no visually verified amphibious operations to date.

Mariupol Operation​

According to USNI’s 25 February report, Russia’s amphibious force in the Sea of Azov launched landing operations near Mariupol. Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby told reporters that the Pentagon didn’t have “perfect visibility” on the assault and couldn’t provide specific numbers for how many troops Russians landed via landing ships.

The UK Ministry of Defence touched on this subject in an intelligence update feed via Twitter on February 26 and said that Russia has likely conducted an amphibious landing in southern Ukraine between Melitopol and Mariupol.

Though there are intelligence reports from the U.S. and the UK, neither Russian nor Ukrainian officials didn’t confirm a landing operation in the Mariupol region. Moreover, there is no visually verified landing activity while landing, just footage showing a few tanks proceeding on the road.

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma's amphibious operation dilemma
Russian landing ships approaching Berdyansk (Anonymous photo circulating on social media)
Three weeks after these claims, Russian forces captured Berdyansk, a port city west of Mariupol, but this invasion was not the result of an amphibious operation. Russian landing ships approached the port after the city had been captured by Russian forces from land.

Amphibious Threat to Odesa​

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma's amphibious operation dilemma
Click to Enlarge. Analysis of Sentinel 2 satellite imagery shows three groups of warships approaching the coast. We can say with confidence that these are Russian, and include landing ships.
The Russian amphibious task force, which poses a direct threat to Odesa, has been stationed off the west of the Crimean Peninsula since the beginning of the war. The group usually stays south of Donuzlav Bay (probably for protection from the winds and waves coming from the north) and moves west to be visible from the coast, traversing between east and west.

On March 15, there were certain signs of Russia’s preparations for a landing at Odessa. According to H. I. Sutton’s OSINT analysis, three groups of ships were on their way to Odessa, two of which consisted of fighting ships and one of several landing ships.


Meanwhile, Russian naval and air forces reportedly conducted missile strikes in and around the coastal city of Odessa. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry states that a total of 90 missiles were fired, several of which were intercepted by air defense systems or landed outside the city. This was counted as a pre-landing phase, called “preparation of the amphibious area of operations” for the landing forces, aimed at breaking Ukrainian resistance to Russian landing forces to reduce potential casualties during the landing.

Russia's amphibious operation dilemma's amphibious operation dilemma
Sattelite image prepared by H I Sutton
The movements of amphibious ships, the formation of supporting ships, the use of a minesweeper to guide task group from safe waters, a heavy bombardment of the coastline were clear indications of a landing operation. There were several photos showing Ukrainian preparations to defend Odesa, including tanks and artillery in urban areas ready to attack the coast, and numerous positions on the coast to prevent a landing operation.

Contrary to expectations, Russia did not launch an amphibious operation to Odessa, and the day after the bombardment, the amphibious task group resumed its previous actions.

Assault or Demonstration?​

Russias-amphibious-operation-dilemma-3-1024x367.jpg
Photo credit: H I Sutton (https://twitter.com/CovertShores)
It is difficult to comprehend Russia’s plans for amphibious operations. To understand this, we need to know what Putin has on his agenda, and the most significant point here is how much loss he can risk. However, due to the difficulty of such an operation and the fact that it is a high-loss operation, this option was difficult from the beginning.

On the other hand, the performance of Russian forces in terms of command and control and logistical support did not seem bright so far. At this C2 and logistics level, the outcome of an amphibious operation can be disastrous for Russian amphibious forces. In addition, Russian landing ships are at sea for four weeks, which means that the infantry battalions that are supposed to conduct landing operations are not in good shape. Being stuck in a small landing ship not only causes fatigue but also negatively affects the soldiers’ will to fight.

When these new difficulties are added to the previously indicated hardnesses for an amphibious operation, the likelihood of such an operation decreases. As the war wore on, however, both the cost of the war and the sanctions imposed on Russia by Western countries began to put Putin in a difficult position. When the invasion reaches this level, it seems difficult for Russia to return without getting what it wants. Therefore, will Russia conduct an amphibious operation to break the determination of Ukraine by capturing Odesa, even if it will cause many casualties? It’s hard to say “no”.

So why is Russia wearing out its amphibious forces by keeping them at sea when it is not conducting amphibious operations? In naval literature, this is called an “Amphibious Demonstration“.


Russia creates the perception that there is a threat in this region by constantly performing amphibious demonstrations off Odessa, thus keeping Odessa on constant alert, which causes it to keep soldiers in this region. This situation precludes troops waiting to defend the Odessa coastline from supporting forces fighting in other places.

The next weeks appear to resolve Russia’s dilemma in amphibious operations.


Admiral Gorshkov frigates can shell land targets with 130 mm gun and Kalibr missiles.
 
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US is in The New World. The New World cannot compare with The Old World. China is in The Old World. China dominates The Old World. Who dominates The Old World, who dominates Earth.

China does in no way dominate Europe. Infact its influence is miniscule here. If with old world you mean east of Urals maybe.
 
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ATM we are weak bc of political hippity hoppity decadent-"liberal" promoted values, values coming from the same mouth pieces who are doing their anti-Russian propaganda, so you are falling into their trap.
If we would lose (conventionally) vs the Russians we would deserve it because we became fat, lazy and decadent!
We are Germans who stapled Russians so high the ones down under started to stink when we finish the body tower.
So you are defending the values which are the main reason why we have become weak.
In the end, the Russians and other Europeans have a common history and Russians will always be there, then under different leadership but you must find a neutral ground where both sides win.
Europe needs Russia vs the growing dragon.
I dunno why you don't wanna understand this ordinary fact.
He is a spoiled, uneducated kid, haven't even finished school yet and worked a day for his living, but bragging loud about the money of his parents. Writing things like: 10 € gas price is ok. Because he is rich!

Do you REALLY expect this lunatic do understand even basic things? And no, he does not give a shit about germany or europe, the people here, it is all about his lunacy. All about being the loudest, when it comes to political correctness.

People like him are the death sentence for europe and the west.
 
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48km engagement. Turkish sources were censoring the data while publishing such images. But Ukrainian sources unfortunately do not have the same attention.
good job turkey.
 
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48km engagement. Turkish sources were censoring the data while publishing such images. But Ukrainian sources unfortunately do not have the same attention.

48km is fantastic with such a small platform that is difficult to detect and even more difficult to shoot down with it being out of the engagement zone of most SAM systems that travel with Armour ...

I am certain PAF would love to know how how well, when and how the S400 can detect the TB2 :) ...

This explains the success of the TB2 in the recent war in Armenia against the S300's and shows how it can be successfully used against the S400's.
 
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