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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Ok so let’s put this into prospective

So yes Ukraine is definitely winning

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Lets definitely put it in perspective: Putin supporters went from 'wait till Ukraine is ruled over in a days' 18 months ago to 'Hey Ukraine is not defeating Russia's newly occupied 15% of the country fast enough'. So you are complaining the defeat of the side you support is not fast enough and have given up on Ukraine ever being ruled entirely by Russia.

Death by a thousand cuts will be just fine. Lets see Russian production crank out these S-400 replacements given it took 3 years to deliver Turkey's system.







In the years prior to its wider war on Ukraine, the Russian air force deployed five batteries of its best S-400 surface-to-air missiles, plus their radars, to occupied Crimea.
In less than a month, the Ukrainian navy has destroyed two of them. Every S-400 battery the Ukrainians knock out is one fewer S-400 battery defending the Russian Black Sea Fleet at its anchorage in Sevastopol.
The first raid on an S-400, on Aug. 23, targeted the battery in Cape Tarkhankut on the Crimean Peninsula’s northwest coast. The second, on Thursday, struck a battery 36 miles south in Yevpatoriya.
Both strikes reportedly involved the latest version of the Ukrainian navy’s Neptune ground-launched anti-ship cruise missile. The original model, with which the Ukrainians sank the Black Sea Fleet cruiser Moskva in April 2022, traveled 190 miles with a 330-pound warhead. The new version travels 225 miles with a 770-pound warhead.
Ukraine’s Luch Design Bureau from the outset designed the Neptune with a GPS-aided infrared image-matching seeker. Basically, the missile navigates to GPS coordinates. Once it gets there, an infrared camera in its nose tries to match what it sees with a pre-loaded image of its intended target.


This combination of GPS and infrared guidance makes the Neptune equally adept at striking targets at sea and on land, although Luch officials have said they tweaked the guidance in the missile’s newer model.

In any event, the Neptune works. And so does the intelligence-gathering apparatus that feeds the navy targets for its Neptune batteries. Russian air-defenses, by contrast, don’t work—at least not against a low-flying cruise missile.
The S-400 is Russia’s best long-range SAM system. It’s supposed to shoot down missiles like the Neptune. Instead, it’s getting destroyed by the Neptune. And every missile raid makes the next raid more likely to succeed as the mutually-supporting network of radars and missiles collapses. “There may be systemic tactical failures with Russian air-defense systems in occupied Crimea,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. noted.
The Ukrainian navy’s short-term goal is obvious: to clear the way for the Ukrainian air force to strike the Black Sea Fleet in occupied Sevastopol. A barrage of British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles, launched by air force Sukhoi Su-24 bombers on Wednesday, struck a drydock in Sevastopol and burned the two warships inside: a Ropucha-class landing ship and a Kilo-class submarine.
It’s unlikely the Ukrainians are done. The Black Sea Fleet still has a couple of dozen large warships left—and they’re no less vulnerable to air-launched cruise missiles than that Ropucha and Kilo were. And now there’s one less S-400 battery to protect the ships than there was on Wednesday.
The Russian air force may still have another three S-400 batteries in Crimea, plus additional batteries in reserve in Russia proper. But if the Russians shift the deployed batteries, or bring in fresh batteries, in the hope of plugging gaps in their air-defenses, these replacement batteries might just suffer the same fate as their predecessors. Plinked by Neptunes.
The Kremlin’s options aren’t great. In the 19 months of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine, Ukrainian commanders steadily have built up a fearsome deep-strike complex, and now they’re using it to dismantle Russian forces in Crimea.
In the words of Ben Hodges, a retired U.S. Army general and the former commander of Army forces in Europe, “the Ukrainian general staff is running rings around the Russian general staff.”
 
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Why are you so F*(&* lazy and stupid. Go type a few strokes and start or join a thread on Saddam. Nobody here claims that just because Ukraine is supported, that the Iraq was was justified. There were 100s of messages posted a decade ago about the stupidity in that campaign and lack of justification.
Why do you talk to me like that? I didn't want to open a thread about Saddam,I was only replying to A.P.Richelieu.
 
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Lets definitely put it in perspective: Putin supporters went from 'wait till Ukraine is ruled over in a days' 18 months ago to 'Hey Ukraine is not defeating Russia's newly occupied 15% of the country fast enough'. So you are complaining the defeat of the side you support is not fast enough and have given up on Ukraine ever being ruled entirely by Russia.

Death by a thousand cuts will be just fine. Lets see Russian production crank out these S-400 replacements given it took 3 years to deliver Turkey's system.


its hardly a fair fight

63 nations on one side and Russia on its own on the other

but Western nations forgot one thing, in Russia men are real men

in West their men have become women and their women do the mens job

this is why 63 vs 1 is good odds for even for Russia
 
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Ukraine's forces recapture Klishchiivka​



>> another town liberated.

this is hardly worth a mention

its pre-war population was like 150 coal miners
 
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As I suspected, you fail.
Then You continue arguing.

You also do not understand legal matters.
If someone provides five reasons to goto war and only one is valid, that is enough for the war to be legal.

That four are invalid is of no importance.


I started a thread on this and the Afghan War for this very reason. Provided links to those threads here.
People keep arguing in this thread any way.
I am perfectly happy to continue the discussions in those threads.
There is no legal reason justification to kill innocent civilian people in a war, you legal autistic lunatic.
 
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There is no legal reason justification to kill innocent civilian people in a war, you legal autistic lunatic.

do you denounce the killing of Palestinians by Israel ?

you dont because West gives weapons to Israel

so dont start this moral and ethics rubbish when your on the losing side
 
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At this curent rate of progress - they may be able to getr to Tomak in the next 6-7 weeks, but i do think it is becoming increasingly unlikely. I am hopeful - but the task is quite large and Ukraine will have to find a way of keeping fighting over winter.
Ukraine has the momentum. Russian occupation becomes smaller.
Ukraine army just captured Klischtschijiwka (south of Bakhmut).


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its hardly a fair fight

63 nations on one side and Russia on its own on the other

but Western nations forgot one thing, in Russia men are real men

in West their men have become women and their women do the mens job

this is why 63 vs 1 is good odds for even for Russia
Except those 63 nations did not devote even 1 percent of their GDP to Ukraine, let alone fight

do you denounce the killing of Palestinians by Israel ?

you dont because West gives weapons to Israel

so dont start this moral and ethics rubbish when your on the losing side
Arabs started a war against a smaller Israel just like Russia started a war against a smaller Ukraine .
 
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Russia braces for Ukrainian attack on ‘linchpin’ town
By James Kilner

17 September 2023 • 6:33pm

Russian forces are preparing to defend a “linchpin” town along the southern frontline as Ukraine pushes on with its counteroffensive before winter closes the fighting season.
Britain’s Ministry of Defence has said that the Kremlin has rushed reinforcements to Tokmak, which is 12 miles south of the recent breakthrough Ukraine made at Robotyne.
“Improvements to the town’s defences likely indicate Russia’s growing concern about Ukrainian tactical penetrations of the first main defensive line,” it said.

Tokmak is considered critical for the defence of Melitopol, a primary Ukrainian objective, another 50 miles south.

The Kremlin has sent its elite paratroopers to fight in Robotyne and the British Ministry of Defence said that Russian soldiers were now installing extra checkpoints and hedgehog anti-tank defences along the road to Tokmak as well as digging new trenches.

Russia’s 58th Combined Arms Army is defending this sector of the front line. In July, its popular commander was sacked for criticising the Russian High Command.
The village of Robotyne is only eight miles away from where Ukraine started its counteroffensive in June, but the US-brd Institute for the Study of War has said that its capture has provided momentum.

“Ukrainian forces have likely made a significant tactical breach along a section of the current Russian defence layer in the Robotyne area over the past several weeks,” it said.
On Sunday Ukrainian authorities announced that Kyiv’s forces had retaken Klishchiivka, a tactically important town south of Bakhmut.

Meanwhile, in Moscow, Russian air defence systems shot down two drones. Another crashed into an oil depot outside Oryol, 250 miles south.

Ukraine also reported Russian missile attacks on Kharkiv, in the northeast of the country, which killed two people, and also on grain infrastructure in Odesa. Western intelligence has said that Russia intends to repeat its tactic from last year and target Ukrainian energy infrastructure over winter.

In the Black Sea, two cargo ships completed the first voyage to Odesa since the collapse of a grain export deal with Russia in July along a safe corridor patrolled by the RAF.
“The ‘Resilient Africa’ and the ‘Aroyat’ confirmed their readiness to use the route to the Black Sea port to load almost 20,000 tonnes of wheat for African and Asian countries,” said, Oleksandr Kubrakov, Ukraine’s infrastructure minister.

Five other tankers stranded in Odesa since before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year have already used the same corridor to escape.

After the grain deal collapsed in July, the Kremlin said that it would intercept ships sailing to Ukraine but it appears unable to impose this blockade.

 
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The Fall | Klishchiivka and Andriivka Have Fallen. Siversk Direction. Military Summary For 2023.9.17

 
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