Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[aviator_fan]

Agreed. But we can supply clandestinely, Iranian drones using Chinese engines are a good example. We should make sure the war in Ukraine is prolonged to drain the Europeans and Americans. Technically a war in Ukraine is beneficial to China.

The Americans were already dangling Siberia as a reward if we join the sanctions. Historically, those lands belong to us. But then the Anglos had been good with divide and conquer. So the best policy is support Russia economically and clandestinely supply components.

If we join the sanctions, Russia is gone, their territories would be divid3d. But then we will be next...

China's economic engine is at stake. 3% GDP growth, slowest in Asia, and slowest in decades. China is not going to risk its economic future for the sake of you postulating that somehow Russia is more important

Without the NATo arms supplies, Ukraine would have been gone. Putin underestimated Bidens wokeness. However irratating Trump was, he would have asked NATo to sign a treaty against expansion into Ukraine. All of this happened because of the greedy West, Ukraine is a large piece of bacon.

My bet is Russia can now concentrate attacking the East. China is the kingmaker here, that's why Biden wants to meet uncle Xi.

Wokeness? Like Xi's wokeness to help the Chinese population at expense of the rich and the mean time reduce China's growth by 2%. Its called strategic goal (in case of Biden to neuter Putin and Russia so it won't ever interfere. These elections went without interference and Putin got what he deserved).

Don't use wokeness to hide somebody's true ability to kick some serious *** without putting his own troops on the ground

 

[Shawnee]

according to a indian site, thats why Ukraine is asking to open a Baykar facilities. Wasted of money that kamikaze drone. How shameless you can be asking in return of this crap drone SU-35.

But what makes Persians happy is ok to me...

US top general McKenzie on Iranian drones:

“for the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority.”
“Very effective drones”
“Looking into anyway possible to stop Iranian drones”

CENTCOM commander warns about Iranian drone threat during House hearing

'For the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority,' warned CENTCOM Commander Gen. Kenneth McKenzie

jewishinsider.com

Now TB2:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517959804370759680

Zelensky on TB2:
“With all due respect, those or other drones can help, but do not affect the result. Because there is a history of missiles, artillery, air defense"

 

[khansaheeb]

Do you thin

Another reason is that EU cannot and will not deal with Ukrainian Refugee and Energy Crisis 2.0. The only way they can do that is to have a stablised Eastern front, and the only way that can do that is to accept Ukrainian NATO membership. What Ukraine need to do is to degenerate Russia to a point that it will take them a long time to recover and hence cannot threaten the stability around Europe, because rest assure, even if Ukraine joined NATO, Russia is not just going to stop there, there are still a few non-NATO member in Europe Russia can bully. And they will if Ukraine joined NATO. Only if Russia conventional capability being decayed to a point that it cannot used to threaten other country, would NATO consider Ukraine membership.

Do you think China and India will allow that, to let the Europeans become the undisputed Champions? I doubt it very much. The world has entered the third world war but don't know it yet.

 

[aviator_fan]

So where are the usual PDF Pro Russia, Putin Roadie's now?

They are busy joining the next surge of 240K troops that is going to come next summer. Given that 200K men have left, every pro-Putin PDF member will be needed to contribute to that.

 

[aviator_fan]

Bogus stories you tell to just feel better- Russia still has technologies US doesnt have- one example? HGV - US has not deployed any HGV in its military- its behind - stop gassing people here with lies pls. Russia still has missile, sub, warfare technology that US doesnt have equivalents of.

While US is probably ahead of Russia in military tech, i can agree with that because its reasonable, but to say its 50 years behind when US also buys space rocket engines from Russia still, that tells me thats an exaggeration.


The chance that this winter will be "manageable" or "ok" for Ukrainian military, IMO, is quite low. Ukraine is low on trooops, ammunition, fuel, etc- alot of things - if and when Russia makes a big push soon, Ukraine probably wont be able to hold all territory it has now- time is not on Ukraine's side, which means as time passes, Ukraine is at more disadvantage, period, Russia wont let Ukraine go so easily without getting something that secures it more in the future.

So what sort of a war would this be useful for? Is there a perfect war US should manufacture so Russia's military might may be brought to bear. They could not even have integrated air and forward air controller communications to bring air power to bear in real-time and you have some fictitious image of some data you have seen. May be next NATO and Biden are woke again (quoting another person) they can be kind enough to PUtin to create a theater of operations where Russia's superiority can shine.

US had big useless fighter bombers (F-105s, F-4s) in Vietnam and knows what its like to bring useless weapons to the wrong war.

 

[zartosht]

Couple of things to take into consideration:

Ukraine launched repeated attack after attack. That got stuffed and slaughtered to the last man. They were banging their heads agains anvils. They took nothing

Russia withdrew in good order. Which is a complicated operation that involves setting up multiple blocking lines. This is further confirmed by the fact the ukies were extremely cautious and very scares of a trap going in.

The new Russian general has made his intentions clear. There is going to be a decisive military result to this. And no more fukkin around. Destroy ukie vital infastracture
And assemble a massive army for a tradtional all out comventional attack to absolutely crush ukraine.

There was an internal Russian debate regarding kherson by all accounts. Sorouvikin and the Russian professional officers all wanted to leave a poor strategic situation. While politicians like shoigu wanted to hold it for political. Reasons.

Knowing this did Russia make the right decision? If in 6 months a 800k Russian army smashes ukie lines amd breaks them. People gonna remember this?

I think Russia made the right choice. Regardless of the fact that twitter clowns can circle jerk for a little bit

 

[aviator_fan]

Beating a nuclear state is meaningless. Weakening sure.

Iran has the capacity of zeroing most of the world energy in a very short time

Hence:
Spiking inflation
Stagflation
Recession
Collapsing retirement funds
Changing presidential elections


Add to that
Zeroing Israeli infrastructures
And more

Seriously you must be the most delusional person on this forum. Your fellow Iranian cheerer has disappeared.

Somehow the mullahs sitting in Tehran that have proven their warfare ability by shooting teenagers (and their avenging the death of a top general was to cause shell shock to US forces at a base in Iraq) somehow are causing all the above?

Let me highlight a few things on the limitations of your bearded leaders:
1. Inflation is up because 0% interest rates as determined by Fed
2. Retirement funds are going down in value because interest rates are gravitating to normal and thats causing stock market to be not attractive
3. And there is no collapse: they are down to the value they were 18 months ago. Hardly a collapse
4. Fed, to really rub it in is the US Fed, not the revolutionary guard Fed. They determine interest rates
This is how capitalism works. Its not the Revolutionary Guard business empire where money only accumulates through corruption.

As for Israelis: when Iran does something of consequence to Israel, I will come back and eat my words. Instead its worthlessness is exchibted every day as Hamas gets its butt kicked, and Israeli Air Force flies all over Syria (Iran's ally) as if they own the place like they do Golan.

In the mean time I realized the excessive waste going on in a Scandanivaian country on a recent visit: people still heating gas lamps and sitting outside as if its 2018 cheap energy. Thats how much NOT of an effect Iran is having

US top general McKenzie on Iranian drones:

“for the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority.”
“Very effective drones”
“Looking into anyway possible to stop Iranian drones”

CENTCOM commander warns about Iranian drone threat during House hearing

'For the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority,' warned CENTCOM Commander Gen. Kenneth McKenzie

jewishinsider.com

Now TB2:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517959804370759680

Zelensky on TB2:
“With all due respect, those or other drones can help, but do not affect the result. Because there is a history of missiles, artillery, air defense"

US has a history of amplifying its adversary threat (the entire Defence industry funds think tanks to this effect) to get Congress to give it more money. 20 years ago they played up how bad the F-15 was compared to the SU30 in an exercise where they set the rules so F-15 was sure to lose (they left that out) . All a ploy to get money to get more F-22s.

So this is a known pattern by US generals and conservative think tanks.

 

[Ahmadbhutta01]

Russian missiles are very inaccurate and their ISR and targeting are even worse

Im talking about the destruction a missile causes , I have seen unguided scuds causing more damage and destruction while Russians hypersonic missiles couldn't even take a single whole building down

Russia has nothing to lose in this war, the only one losing is Ukraine . It would take several decades to rebuild Ukraine not the forget the loan . Ukraine Zionist president already handed over 12bn$ worth of gold reserved to USA .

Russia is fighting 40+ countries all alone with little help from Iran . Russia may move back and will move forward in the future at faster pace they are learning well about the modern warfare and that their obsolete USSR weapons have no place in modern wars , no wonder they didn't have a drone programme as like many other countries now they will build one they will go back build modern weapons and learn from it's mistakes

 

[Shawnee]

Seriously you must be the most delusional person on this forum. Your fellow Iranian cheerer has disappeared.

Somehow the mullahs sitting in Tehran that have proven their warfare ability by shooting teenagers (and their avenging the death of a top general was to cause shell shock to US forces at a base in Iraq) somehow are causing all the above?

Let me highlight a few things on the limitations of your bearded leaders:
1. Inflation is up because 0% interest rates as determined by Fed
2. Retirement funds are going down in value because interest rates are gravitating to normal and thats causing stock market to be not attractive
3. And there is no collapse: they are down to the value they were 18 months ago. Hardly a collapse
4. Fed, to really rub it in is the US Fed, not the revolutionary guard Fed. They determine interest rates
This is how capitalism works. Its not the Revolutionary Guard business empire where money only accumulates through corruption.

As for Israelis: when Iran does something of consequence to Israel, I will come back and eat my words. Instead its worthlessness is exchibted every day as Hamas gets its butt kicked, and Israeli Air Force flies all over Syria (Iran's ally) as if they own the place like they do Golan.

In the mean time I realized the excessive waste going on in a Scandanivaian country on a recent visit: people still heating gas lamps and sitting outside as if its 2018 cheap energy. Thats how much NOT of an effect Iran is having


US has a history of amplifying its adversary threat (the entire Defence industry funds think tanks to this effect) to get Congress to give it more money. 20 years ago they played up how bad the F-15 was compared to the SU30 in an exercise where they set the rules so F-15 was sure to lose (they left that out) . All a ploy to get money to get more F-22s.

So this is a known pattern by US generals and conservative think tanks.

A picture is better than a thousand words:

 

[Oublious]

US top general McKenzie on Iranian drones:

“for the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority.”
“Very effective drones”
“Looking into anyway possible to stop Iranian drones”

CENTCOM commander warns about Iranian drone threat during House hearing

'For the first time since the Korean War, we are operating without complete air superiority,' warned CENTCOM Commander Gen. Kenneth McKenzie

jewishinsider.com

Now TB2:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517959804370759680

Zelensky on TB2:
“With all due respect, those or other drones can help, but do not affect the result. Because there is a history of missiles, artillery, air defense"

that kind generals are always talking, and it does not change the fact that iranian kamikaze drone is a waste of money.

Zelensky talks geo politic because of Turkish demand not to share videos. Don't forget Ukrainans made a music video and asking to open Baykar facility in Ukrain to develop with Baykar drones.

Turkey's Baykar to complete plant in Ukraine in two years -CEO

Turkish defence company Baykar is planning to complete the construction of its manufacturing plant in Ukraine in two years, its chief executive said on Thursday, after the company became highly renowned for their drones' success in thwarting Russian forces.

www.reuters.com

 

[jhungary]

Do you thin

Do you China and India will allow that, to let the Europeans become the undisputed Champions? I doubt it very much. The world has entered the third world war but don't know it yet.

That's where you were wrong.

This, by this I mean NATO, is not in the business to become the undisputed Champions. NATO is a defense organisation, what they care about is the security in the region. NATO is "POWERLESS" unless someone invaded one of the NATO members. People see NATO as powerful because of individual member's power. Namely US, UK, Germany and France. But if you have to talk about NATO as a whole. NATO have a lot of smaller members and in some case that have nothing at all, like North Macedonia, Luxemburg and Iceland. Which these countries have nothing at all yet they are "Powerful" in a traditional deterrence sense because they have equal share in NATO. But collectvely, NATO is NOT powerful, the individual country is.

The world, on the other hand, spitted up between three parts. the US, the EU and China, these are the 3 biggest economies on earth. And whoever have the more share of the pie is the undisputed Champion. And for that, US and EU already are, because US and EU interest aligned, and they represent 2/3 of the world trade. Which mean as long as US and EU remain an ally, the world will be led by the US and EU collectively, and that's undisputed. On the other hand, India and China is at the same spectrum, whether or not China and India will cooperate is one issue, whether or not that cooperation can break the US-EU Dominance is another. Because if the first does not met at this phase, then China rise will dwarf Indian power, and vice versa. And if the first hold, then the second equation come into play, would an alliance of China and India break the US-EU cycle? I can't see into the future, but at this point, NO.

 

[Ahmadbhutta01]

Executed Russian prisoners ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591548674018250752

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591486606812516352

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591493036428722183

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591561834246860801

 

[jhungary]

Executed Russian prisoners ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591548674018250752

No. Well, I don't know, depends on circumstance.

If this is an execution, they wouldn't be line up so neatly. When you are shot standing up, especially you are not tied down (as they were not ties) you cannot control your fall when you died, because, well, you are dead already... So, your body would be positioned differently than other because the pose would have been random. As none of these soldiers can choose how they fall when they died.

Like this

Spoiler: graphic

Spoiler: graphic

See how the position of each body is different than the others?

And in this clip, 5 Russian body die head to toe in the same way, unless you really that lucky and they all felt the same way, or they were posed, but then you know it is not posted because the blood on the floor matches the wound. Which mean these body lies as it is. That's how it was deposited when they died.

So what kill these men? First of all, they all "Forced" into the same position would mean they were killed by a force traumatic enough to move the body of a few men which I guess weight about hundred kilogram each, that suggested explosion because bullet can't do that. Then you can see they are all lay in a circular direction with the same pattern of debris radiated along the floor, you would know it most likely an Artillery/mortar strike that kill these men.

Now if they were unarmed and hit by an artillery/mortar strike, and they are just shooting mortar round at them for fun, that could be a war crime, but it can also just be the soldiers had already cleaned up the scene and collected their weapon. So I don't know.

 

[Shawnee]

that kind generals are always talking, and it does not change the fact that iranian kamikaze drone is a waste of money.

Zelensky talks geo politic because of Turkish demand not to share videos. Don't forget Ukrainans made a music video and asking to open Baykar facility in Ukrain to develop with Baykar drones.

Turkey's Baykar to complete plant in Ukraine in two years -CEO

Turkish defence company Baykar is planning to complete the construction of its manufacturing plant in Ukraine in two years, its chief executive said on Thursday, after the company became highly renowned for their drones' success in thwarting Russian forces.

www.reuters.com

US generals, Centcom generals, Israeli generals, thinks tanks are all aware of effector Iranian drones.

Iranian Drones Are Changing the Battlefields of Eurasia​

Iranian Drones Are Changing the Battlefields of Eurasia

On October 10, Iranian loitering munitions rained over Ukraine’s urban centers, including Kiev. Two weeks later, Israeli forces struck an Iranian drone factory in Syria (Al Arabiya, October 23). This demonstrated how Iran’s drone program is now beyond Iran, both in terms of production and...

jamestown.org

West keeps sending message to stop more shipments and is offering good deals to Iran.
Is it for a drone that is waste of money? No
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After Ukrainians found out TB2 is a hype, they stopped making songs and abandoned the TB2 line.

Yet we do not even have an amateur video of TB2. They were all captured or dismantled.

TB2 Never seen in the skies by ordinary people. Zero evidence of TB2 existence
While
Iranian drones roam the skies