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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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12,000 Russian Troops Were Supposed To Defend Kaliningrad. Then They Went To Ukraine To Die.
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The 11th Army Corps in 2017.
RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY PHOTO
Six years ago, the Russian navy formed a new army corps whose job it would be to defend Kaliningrad, Russia’s geographically separate outpost on the Baltic Sea between Poland and Lithuania.
This year, when the war in Ukraine began to go badly for Russia, the Kremlin yanked the 11th Army Corps from Kaliningrad and sent it into Ukraine. Where the Ukrainian army quickly destroyed it.
© Foto: REUTERS/Clodagh Kilcoyne
The formation, deployment and destruction of the 11th Army Corps tell a story that’s bigger than the tragic tale of Russia’s war in Ukraine. The corps, sandwiched between two NATO countries along a strategic sea, was supposed to give Russian forces an advantage in a global war.
Instead, it became cannon fodder for a Ukrainian army that, on paper, was weaker than the Russian army was. Now Kaliningrad is all but defenseless, and the threat the oblast’s troops once posed to NATO … has evaporated.
The 11th Army Corps isn’t really a new formation. It’s a new grouping of existing formations under a single headquarters that itself answers to the Russian navy’s Baltic Fleet. The corps oversees a motorized division, a separate motorized regiment, artillery, rockets, air-defense troops and supporting units.
Before Russia widened its war in Ukraine starting in late February, there were no fewer than 12,000 Russian troops in Kaliningrad with around 100 T-72 tanks, a couple hundred BTR fighting vehicles, Msta-S howitzers and BM-27 and BM-30 rocket-launchers. The 11th Army Corps oversaw most of these forces.
Looming on the western border of Lithuania, one of the weakest NATO member states, the 11th Army Corps was the anvil for a possible Russian invasion of the former Soviet republics Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The hammer was the 18,000-strong ground force in western Russia on the eastern border of the Baltic states.
NATO warily eyed the Kaliningrad buildup. “Kaliningrad certainly, historically, has been a place where we've been very attentive to the dynamics and the delicate regional situation,” a U.S. defense official told reporters in June.
Those dynamics radically changed after February. The Kremlin committed 80% of its ground forces to a wider invasion of Ukraine—and promptly lost many of them in a doomed bid to capture Kyiv.
Strung out along the roads leading to the capital, the poorly led, under-supplied Russian battalions, brigades and divisions were vulnerable to Ukraine’s artillery, drones and infantry teams hauling precision-guided anti-tank missiles.
After just a month of bitter fighting, the Russians retreated from Kyiv. Estimates vary, but it’s possible they suffered 50,000 killed and wounded by the time the front lines stabilized in May. The Russians at the time held the strategic port of Kherson in southern Ukraine and were on the outskirts of the free city of Kharkiv, 25 miles from the border with Russia in northeastern Ukraine.
But Russian forces were fragile. And getting more fragile as the Ukrainian army—rearmed with American and European artillery and rockets—began plucking at Russian supply lines. Desperate for fresh troops, the Kremlin mobilized the 11th Army Corps, moving it by ship and plane to Belgorod in southern Russia, then into Ukraine near Kharkiv.
Three months of grinding combat sapped the corps’ strength. Reuters got its hands on some of the 11th Army Corps’ paperwork. A spreadsheet dated August 30, right before a major Ukrainian counteroffensive, indicated the corps was at 71% of its full strength. Some battalions, however, were down to just a tenth of their original manpower.
It got worse for the corps. In late August and early September, the Ukrainian armed forces launched twin counteroffensives east of Kharkiv and north of Kherson. The Kharkiv operation, involving a dozen eager Ukrainian brigades, exposed profound weaknesses in the Russian forces in the area, including the 11th Army Corps.
Tens of thousands of Russians fled, surrendered or died in place as Ukrainian troops liberated a thousand square miles of Kharkiv Oblast in a heady two weeks. The 11th Army Corps suffered more than most Russian formations in the region. In late September, the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., described the corps as “severely battered.”
That may have been an understatement. The Ukrainian general staff concluded the corps lost 200 vehicles and half of its troops in the counteroffensive.
It’s possible the 11th Army Corps survives. If so, it almost certainly will require many months to rest, re-equip and induct draftees in order to regain even a fraction of its former strength.
The deployment and subsequent destruction of the 11th Army Corps is a tragedy for the men who suffered and died under its command—and a terrible blow for the Russian war effort in Ukraine.
But the implications extend across Europe. The 11th Army Corps was supposed to defend Kaliningrad and threaten NATO’s eastern front. Now it can do neither.
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So every country should have them to make them feel safer? MAD MAD world.
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12,000 Russian Troops Were Supposed To Defend Kaliningrad. Then They Went To Ukraine To Die.
David Axe
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I write about ships, planes, tanks, drones, missiles and satellites.
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Oct 27, 2022,07:01pm EDT
The 11th Army Corps in 2017.
RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY PHOTO
Six years ago, the Russian navy formed a new army corps whose job it would be to defend Kaliningrad, Russia’s geographically separate outpost on the Baltic Sea between Poland and Lithuania.
This year, when the war in Ukraine began to go badly for Russia, the Kremlin yanked the 11th Army Corps from Kaliningrad and sent it into Ukraine. Where the Ukrainian army quickly destroyed it.
© Foto: REUTERS/Clodagh Kilcoyne
The formation, deployment and destruction of the 11th Army Corps tell a story that’s bigger than the tragic tale of Russia’s war in Ukraine. The corps, sandwiched between two NATO countries along a strategic sea, was supposed to give Russian forces an advantage in a global war.
Instead, it became cannon fodder for a Ukrainian army that, on paper, was weaker than the Russian army was. Now Kaliningrad is all but defenseless, and the threat the oblast’s troops once posed to NATO … has evaporated.
The 11th Army Corps isn’t really a new formation. It’s a new grouping of existing formations under a single headquarters that itself answers to the Russian navy’s Baltic Fleet. The corps oversees a motorized division, a separate motorized regiment, artillery, rockets, air-defense troops and supporting units.
Before Russia widened its war in Ukraine starting in late February, there were no fewer than 12,000 Russian troops in Kaliningrad with around 100 T-72 tanks, a couple hundred BTR fighting vehicles, Msta-S howitzers and BM-27 and BM-30 rocket-launchers. The 11th Army Corps oversaw most of these forces.
Looming on the western border of Lithuania, one of the weakest NATO member states, the 11th Army Corps was the anvil for a possible Russian invasion of the former Soviet republics Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. The hammer was the 18,000-strong ground force in western Russia on the eastern border of the Baltic states.
NATO warily eyed the Kaliningrad buildup. “Kaliningrad certainly, historically, has been a place where we've been very attentive to the dynamics and the delicate regional situation,” a U.S. defense official told reporters in June.
Those dynamics radically changed after February. The Kremlin committed 80% of its ground forces to a wider invasion of Ukraine—and promptly lost many of them in a doomed bid to capture Kyiv.
Strung out along the roads leading to the capital, the poorly led, under-supplied Russian battalions, brigades and divisions were vulnerable to Ukraine’s artillery, drones and infantry teams hauling precision-guided anti-tank missiles.
After just a month of bitter fighting, the Russians retreated from Kyiv. Estimates vary, but it’s possible they suffered 50,000 killed and wounded by the time the front lines stabilized in May. The Russians at the time held the strategic port of Kherson in southern Ukraine and were on the outskirts of the free city of Kharkiv, 25 miles from the border with Russia in northeastern Ukraine.
But Russian forces were fragile. And getting more fragile as the Ukrainian army—rearmed with American and European artillery and rockets—began plucking at Russian supply lines. Desperate for fresh troops, the Kremlin mobilized the 11th Army Corps, moving it by ship and plane to Belgorod in southern Russia, then into Ukraine near Kharkiv.
Three months of grinding combat sapped the corps’ strength. Reuters got its hands on some of the 11th Army Corps’ paperwork. A spreadsheet dated August 30, right before a major Ukrainian counteroffensive, indicated the corps was at 71% of its full strength. Some battalions, however, were down to just a tenth of their original manpower.
It got worse for the corps. In late August and early September, the Ukrainian armed forces launched twin counteroffensives east of Kharkiv and north of Kherson. The Kharkiv operation, involving a dozen eager Ukrainian brigades, exposed profound weaknesses in the Russian forces in the area, including the 11th Army Corps.
Tens of thousands of Russians fled, surrendered or died in place as Ukrainian troops liberated a thousand square miles of Kharkiv Oblast in a heady two weeks. The 11th Army Corps suffered more than most Russian formations in the region. In late September, the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., described the corps as “severely battered.”
That may have been an understatement. The Ukrainian general staff concluded the corps lost 200 vehicles and half of its troops in the counteroffensive.
It’s possible the 11th Army Corps survives. If so, it almost certainly will require many months to rest, re-equip and induct draftees in order to regain even a fraction of its former strength.
The deployment and subsequent destruction of the 11th Army Corps is a tragedy for the men who suffered and died under its command—and a terrible blow for the Russian war effort in Ukraine.
But the implications extend across Europe. The 11th Army Corps was supposed to defend Kaliningrad and threaten NATO’s eastern front. Now it can do neither.
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When American troops land in brown lands it is all for spreading democracy. When Russian troops land in Ukraine it is a death wish. Nice.
No, the US didn’t ask NATO to join the 2001 invasion. They accepted only the Brits as their allies.
NATO was charged by the UN to take command of the ISAF peacekeeping and rebuilding mission. Initially it was there to support the new Afghani government, but later it took part in the larger war against the Taliban insurgency.
The Russians have better reason in Ukrainian love to hear it
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Russia should either shut up or take down UK's military and/or critical infrastructure. UK's aggressive moves are very clear. Now either match it or shut up. What kind of sissy complaints are they issuing?
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Sevastopol: Unmanned surface vehicles hit Admiral Makarov, flagship of Russian Black Sea Fleet
At least three ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including the Admiral Makarov flagship, were damaged as a result of the unmanned surface vessel [USV] attack on 29 October.
Source: GeoConfirmed, a volunteer-managed outlet mapping the war in Ukraine based on geolocations, on Twitter
Details: GeoConfirmed investigators have analysed footage from the unmanned surface vessels [USVs are speedboat-size vessels that can pack hundreds of pounds of explosives – ed.], which roamed the harbour and the sea near Sevastopol.
The investigators released footage of an attack on an Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate. They concluded that the Admiral Makarov is the only one that matches this description in the Black Sea. The footage stops when the USV hits the vessel and explodes.
Sevastopol: Unmanned surface vehicles hit Admiral Makarov, flagship of Russian Black Sea Fleet
UKRAINSKA PRAVDA - SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 07:10 At least three ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including the Admiral Makarov flagship, were damaged as a result of the unmanned surface vessel [USV] attack on 29 October.
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MoD on Today's Black Sea Terrorist Attack️
Today at 4.20 am, the Kiev regime carried out a terrorist attack against the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships that were on the outer and inner roadsteads of the Sevastopol base.
️The attack involved nine unmanned aerial vehicles and seven autonomous maritime drones.
The prompt measures taken by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet destroyed all air targets.When repulsing the terrorist attack on the outer roadstead of Sevastopol, four marine unmanned vehicles were annihilated by shipborne weapons and maritime aviation of the Black Sea Fleet, and three more were destroyed on the inner roadstead.️Minor damage was received by the sea minesweeper Ivan Golubets as well as the floating net boom in Yuzhnaya Bay.️It should be emphasised that the ships of the Black Sea Fleet that were subjected to the terrorist attack are involved in ensuring the security of the ‘grain corridor’ as part of an international initiative to export agricultural products from Ukrainian ports.
The preparation of this terrorist act and the training of military personnel of 73rd Marine Special Operations Center were carried out under supervision of British specialists in the city of Ochakov, Nikolayev region in Ukraine.️According to the available information, representatives of this unit from the British Navy were involved in plotting, organising, and implementation of the terrorist attack in the Baltic Sea on 26 September this year to blow up the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines.****/sitreports /@mod_russia_en/
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️Europe begs Russia to reverse its decision to suspend the grain deal. Less than a day later, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell asked Russia to change its decision on grain.
We await the response of our authorities.
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Judging by the hysteria in Kiev and Washington regarding the withdrawal from the "grain deal" and the demands to return to it, we are doing everything right. "Suspension" must be permanent. Obviously, the "grain deal" in its current form is unprofitable for us and beneficial for our enemies. And such transactions should be promptly thrown into the trash.
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️Smuggling of ammunition via the "grain deal" ships---
ships loaded with grain left Ukrainian ports, unloaded at the destination port and went back to Ukraine supposedly empty. Allegedly...
In fact, the vessels involved in the grain deal, after passing the Bosphorus on the way back, were loaded with ammunition at 10-20% of the maximum deadweight directly at sea from Bulgarian and / or Romanian vessels.
Why by 10-20%? Yes, so that the appearance (precipitation) does not betray their loading. And safely returned to the Ukrainian port, where ammunition was unloaded at night!
In order to reliably simulate the zero load of the ship, dear Western partners and their Ukrainian colleagues even repainted the cargo stamps on the sides of the ships that participated in the" deal", raising them higher on board!
Also, the vessels were bunkered with water and fuel at a minimum, just to reach the Odessa ports. Everything to save displacement for the sake of projectiles.
How much ammo could be transferred with such restrictions?
Enough for the AFU!
A small bulk carrier with a deadweight of 20 thousand tons brought back 2000 tons of ammunition, and this is about 30 railway cars with ammunition or 3 railway trains!https://****/odnajdi_v_odesse/1228
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Russia will fire some more flying scooter and that's it.
terrorist attack against floating school... Not in a very distant future, China will accuse US of terror attack against floating casino.https://****/rocknrollgeopolitics/5364
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Judging by the hysteria in Kiev and Washington regarding the withdrawal from the "grain deal" and the demands to return to it, we are doing everything right. "Suspension" must be permanent. Obviously, the "grain deal" in its current form is unprofitable for us and beneficial for our enemies. And such transactions should be promptly thrown into the trash.
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ships loaded with grain left Ukrainian ports, unloaded at the destination port and went back to Ukraine supposedly empty. Allegedly...
In fact, the vessels involved in the grain deal, after passing the Bosphorus on the way back, were loaded with ammunition at 10-20% of the maximum deadweight directly at sea from Bulgarian and / or Romanian vessels.
Why by 10-20%? Yes, so that the appearance (precipitation) does not betray their loading. And safely returned to the Ukrainian port, where ammunition was unloaded at night!
In order to reliably simulate the zero load of the ship, dear Western partners and their Ukrainian colleagues even repainted the cargo stamps on the sides of the ships that participated in the" deal", raising them higher on board!
Also, the vessels were bunkered with water and fuel at a minimum, just to reach the Odessa ports. Everything to save displacement for the sake of projectiles.
How much ammo could be transferred with such restrictions?
Enough for the AFU!
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Wars are horrible, those who seen it first hand, those who experience it first hand will never forget the trauma that one has to go thru in war. It's like if you hit a cat with your car, you probably will never forget about that. That will burn in your memory and sear thru everything you do. And the hardest part is, you cannot unsee what you have seen, and that's gonna stay in your mind forever.
War can be facinating to watch from afar, but up close and personal, that's another story, I don't cheer for war, having been in a few battle myself, nobody had seen what I see and did what I did will cheer for war. Because war victim can speak with a common language, and that's violence.
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Surprise, Mr Joker is back with plenty of Photoshop works
Its just the optics cheating you. The windspan is 2,5 meters and the angle makes the drone look shorter than its own wingspan.
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In the Iranian Mohajer-6 drone, they found ... a component of Ukrainian production - a representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense in a commentary to the Military Television of Ukraine. At the same time, intelligence officials say that these components were "in the public domain" and anyone could buy them. This statement is due to the fact that there is an arms embargo against Iran. And the United States and Israel are watching its implementation very zealously. Therefore, if it suddenly turns out that our component could not be in any free access ... I'm even afraid to imagine what a scandal will be.
Ukrainian claim
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If you really believed that, you would leave Europe.
Until You do, such comments are just hot air.
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