Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[jhungary]

well shahed-136 have something to talk about first question.

Yes, a lawn mower really does have something to say, OUT LOUD......

a question , Ukraine have no problem for showing footage of every cat and dog they killed in Ukraine .. why when it come to shahed-136 we only have footage of at most less than 10 while they make daily claim of shooting down 30-60 on daily base

There are tons of intercepted Shahed 136 drone footage on Youtube and Telegram

I mean, you just need to go look it up.

Accomplished ? come on again your mentality that something our of iran must be lower grade.
by the way your comparison is like comparing apple and orange , the drones you mentioned cut the link to operator they are fucked up . shahed-136 cut the link , well who care

Problem is, if Shahed 136 cut the link (well, if there are one to be cut) it would basically become a dumb bomb, you can't steer it, you can't control where it land. Then why I would use a Shahed 136 when I can literally use Dumb Bomb that cost not more than $1000 to make? Instead of a $20,000 shahed 136??

Drone warfare are there for you to hit critical target WIHTOUT endangering your other asset, which mean if it got intercepted, big deal, you can send another, then another, then another. That's why you would want to use something like Switchblade because they are inexpensive, and you can guide them. Or if you want to perform ISTAR as well, you use TB-2. Do tell me what Shahed-136 bring into the table both Tactically and Strategically??

It's not about whether or not Iranian equipment is low grade, it's about you can't put them in a category that are useful for Russian military.

heat signature are shown to be low , noise on other hand

Again, if they can be picked up, it's not low.

it can do that if necessary by using other radio source around , there is no need to only consider optic cues for that , you can used cell towers , radio stations , microwave towers ,....

How about Ukrainian with a microwave tower that point to a Russian position??

You see my point there? I mean, I am not saying or suggesting the Ukrainian can just use microwave oven or whatever to spoof that cue, but the point is it can be spoof, and you don't have a direct linkage to the drone, which mean you either have to have someone with the eyes on target and guide the drone in using whatever you said you are using and hope the Ukrainian did not have countermeasure, or you basically launch it and let it rip, and hit whatever it hit.

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582253359381491712

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[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582138742319775745

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582138767858540545

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582288382796779520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582283585209266179

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582283594021892097

 

[Hack-Hook]

There are tons of intercepted Shahed 136 drone footage on Youtube and Telegram



I mean, you just need to go look it up.

exactly my problem , that tons can be counted with finger of two hand , the rest shown parts of the UAV after it being intercepted by Ukrainian infrastructure

Problem is, if Shahed 136 cut the link (well, if there are one to be cut) it would basically become a dumb bomb, you can't steer it, you can't control where it land. Then why I would use a Shahed 136 when I can literally use Dumb Bomb that cost not more than $1000 to make? Instead of a $20,000 shahed 136??

a dumb bomb is an Iron bomb like Fab-250 or MK-82
the shahed-136 will become more like an SDB, they are in range of 40000-50000 for SDB-1 SDB-2 is more like 250000$ not 1000
they have the disadvantage of a you must send an airplane and you knew how well russian sead worked . also at best they can be fired at is 50-100km away . shahed-136 is a 2000+ km weapon

Again, if they can be picked up, it's not low.

depend on the signature size and if it will be considered as background noise or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917013165109248

I say pretty small heat signature , do you really believe F-35 heat signature is less than that ?

How about Ukrainian with a microwave tower that point to a Russian position??

You see my point there? I mean, I am not saying or suggesting the Ukrainian can just use microwave oven or whatever to spoof that cue, but the point is it can be spoof, and you don't have a direct linkage to the drone, which mean you either have to have someone with the eyes on target and guide the drone in using whatever you said you are using and hope the Ukrainian did not have countermeasure, or you basically launch it and let it rip, and hit whatever it hit.

microwave over don't spoof anything . those microwave tower i mentioned are used for TV and Communication , they are there . as part of the country infrastructure . . when you program a drone based on radio signature , it only look for the one it programmed for , you can add 100m radio signature in between , it won't care about them , just look for the one it was told to go toward , until it find the next one and go toward that next radio source

Ukraine needs Turkish KARGI kamikaze Drone which is better than İranian Shahed-136

6+ hours of operation capability ( 1.000 km )
RF seeker
SATCOM
Datalink
home-of-jam capability

500,000 $ price tag

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582277143199125504

 

[jhungary]

exactly my problem , that tons can be counted with finger of two hand , the rest shown parts of the UAV after it being intercepted by Ukrainian infrastructure

I can't quote Telegram here, otherwise I would have been able to post around 30 videos.

I used maybe 1 minute or less to look up those 2 videos.

a dumb bomb is an Iron bomb like Fab-250 or MK-82
the shahed-136 will become more like an SDB, they are in range of 40000-50000 for SDB-1 SDB-2 is more like 250000$ not 1000
they have the disadvantage of a you must send an airplane and you knew how well russian sead worked . also at best they can be fired at is 50-100km away . shahed-136 is a 2000+ km weapon

SBD (GBU-39)is a guided bomb, again, you are saying if you cut off the link to Shahed 136, which means you can no longer guide it, and it will fall whenever it may according to the coordinate downloaded before you launch. Which make it a dumb bomb.

And you don't use SDB for SEAD, you use anti-radiation missile to suppress enemy radar. That's WAY Above Shahed-136 range.

depend on the signature size and if it will be considered as background noise or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917013165109248

I say pretty small heat signature , do you really believe F-35 heat signature is less than that ?

F-35 uses heat shielding to shield the heat siganture, the engine of Shahed 136 is protruded outside the fuselage.

And lol, are you for real compare the heat signature of F-35 to Shahed Drone??

microwave over don't spoof anything . those microwave tower i mentioned are used for TV and Communication , they are there . as part of the country infrastructure . . when you program a drone based on radio signature , it only look for the one it programmed for , you can add 100m radio signature in between , it won't care about them , just look for the one it was told to go toward , until it find the next one and go toward that next radio source

Dude, didn't you actually read what I read? You can spoof ANY radar signature. What if I spoof one and launch it over to the Russian side, would Shahed taht smart and know that is a spoof and not flew into the Russian formation??

You can't because you don't even have optics to steer it away, once you launch the drone, and that's it, you have minimal control over how this is targeted, and that is a point, I don't even US drone or Israeli drone are immune to signal spoofing, and you are saying it won't happen to Iranian drone.

Lol.....I believe you........

 

[Hack-Hook]

can't quote Telegram here, otherwise I would have been able to post around 30 videos.

I used maybe 1 minute or less to look up those 2 videos.

compare that to 30-40 daily Ukrainian claims

SBD (GBU-39)is a guided bomb, again, you are saying if you cut off the link to Shahed 136, which means you can no longer guide it, and it will fall whenever it may according to the coordinate downloaded before you launch. Which make it a dumb bomb.

and you gave a coordinate to shahed-136. you don't do that with mk-82 which is a dumb bomb.
even if you consider shahed-136 a dumb bomb which is wrong as it can correct its course if it loose connection to satellite in its flight path , its a damn precise long range dumb bomb and that is enough to do its duty , we don't except it to solve General Relativity , problems and questions.

And you don't use SDB for SEAD, you use anti-radiation missile to suppress enemy radar. That's WAY Above Shahed-136 range.

who said you use that for SEAD , you send airplanes with SEAD duty to clean the path for the one that carry the SDBs , and Russia don't have such airplanes

F-35 uses heat shielding to shield the heat siganture, the engine of Shahed 136 is protruded outside the fuselage.

And lol, are you for real compare the heat signature of F-35 to Shahed Drone??

I very much like to see infrared camera image of this airplane

if that is not clear how cool the exhaust is , what about these two photo

and some of those pictures are official United State published photos

 

[jhungary]

compare that to 30-40 daily Ukrainian claims

I don't think you have 30-40 drone to get shot down since September 6, that mean you had send more than 1200 drone to Russia.

and you gave a coordinate to shahed-136. you don't do that with mk-82 which is a dumb bomb.
even if you consider shahed-136 a dumb bomb which is wrong as it can correct its course if it loose connection to satellite in its flight path , its a damn precise long range dumb bomb and that is enough to do its duty , we don't except it to solve General Relativity , problems and questions.

You don't understand my analogy. I am not saying Shahed ARE dumb bomb, I am saying once you cut off the communication link, it will ACT LIKE a dumb bomb. It WILL BE HIT AND MISS. And if this is the case, why not just use dumb bomb??

who said you use that for SEAD , you send airplanes with SEAD duty to clean the path for the one that carry the SDBs , and Russia don't have such airplanes

Oh well..

I very much like to see infrared camera image of this airplane

if that is not clear how cool the exhaust is , what about these two photo

We all want to see a fully analysed and calibrated infrared picture of a F-35. That would have been Intelligence Treasury Trove.

And again, are you seriously comparing a fighter jet that you are going to use anywhere between 5000 to 40,000 ft to a drone that at most flew at 1000 AGL?

 

[Hack-Hook]

wonder which is brighter on infrared camera this piece of technological marvel with its next gen heat shielding

or a Christmas tree

 

[Hack-Hook]

I don't think you have 30-40 drone to get shot down since September 6, that mean you had send more than 1200 drone to Russia.

tell that to Ukraine not me

You don't understand my analogy. I am not saying Shahed ARE dumb bomb, I am saying once you cut off the communication link, it will ACT LIKE a dumb bomb. It WILL BE HIT AND MISS. And if this is the case, why not just use dumb bomb??

a dumb bomb if loosing its way , is lost , shahed-136 is capable of continuing its way and actually find its way and adjust accordingly , that is the difference with dumb bombs

We all want to see a fully analysed and calibrated infrared picture of a F-35. That would have been Intelligence Treasury Trove.

And again, are you seriously comparing a fighter jet that you are going to use anywhere between 5000 to 40,000 ft to a drone that at most flew at 1000 AGL?

at 40000 feet the temp around airplane is a lot lower than at 1000 feet AGL, a lot easier for Infrared cameras .
and there is no doubt distance play a very important roles . but consider it that F-35 don't use the shielding that B-2 or YF-23 had against heat . it rely on mixing exhaust gases with cold air to reduce heat signature and the result is probably a lot better than 1700 degree Celsius of other jets but certainly alot more than several hundred degree and again the the contrast to ambient sub zero temperature at those altitude are a lot higher than air cooled shahed-123 with the ambient temperature

Dude, didn't you actually read what I read? You can spoof ANY radar signature. What if I spoof one and launch it over to the Russian side, would Shahed taht smart and know that is a spoof and not flew into the Russian formation??

you can do that , but you must first find out which cell tower or radio station or ground radar I'm using

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Perhaps now zelenski understands what gazans feal on a daily basis?

Bad isn't it.

Not really.
It is more the experience of someone in Ashkelon.
Same type of war criminals on the other side focusing on targeting civilians.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Not really.
It is more the experience of someone in Ashkelon.
Same type of war criminals on the other side focusing on targeting civilians.

agree the experience in a certain 20km wide stripe on east side of Mediterranean sea

 

[ziaulislam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581781189211234306

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581780628248596483

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581770179234910208

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581767283478700032

Again change of strategey?
Or is it just feint to divert forces from its objectives

Perhaps now zelenski understands what gazans feal on a daily basis?

Bad isn't it.

There is no comparison.
Ukraine hasNOT been seriously bombed

Russia has been pretty conservative when it comes to mainland ukraine

 

[Paul2]

wonder which is brighter on infrared camera this piece of technological marvel with its next gen heat shielding
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or a Christmas tree
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You cannot hide from modern infrared detection in any way. You however can reduce the distance from which dumber seekers of missiles will see you.

I predict, we will see space telescopes looking down on earth, and being able to detect every flying thing on the planet within our lifetime.

 

[Englishman]

Not really.
It is more the experience of someone in Ashkelon.
Same type of war criminals on the other side focusing on targeting civilians.

Pray with me
That when we enter the next world,
You are raised up alongside the Israelis and I am raised up alongside the Palestinians.

We trust the judgment of g-d,

Aimen

Now put your money where you mouth is and repeat this with me.