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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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Putin slightly won the first phase of the war against the EU. In destroying businesses and making the euro weaker than the dollar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1573123734826795010

https://twitter.com/x/status/1573218674735026176

Putinites and fellow Putinites Trumpers are bitcoiners. They want the euro to collapse and the one global currency to be bitcoin to defeat the euro, dollar, rupee in Putin's hyperinflationary global meltdown. That is one of the late stage goals of the war. Trump/Putin destroying each currency and replacing them with Q-anon bitcoins.

#SaveTheDollar
#SaveTheEuro
 
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MeFishToo said:
Source (War in Ukraine)
Breakthrough of russian defensive positions northwest of Lyman. Potential collaps of russian defence east of Oskil river and Lyman. Situation fluid.
Wagner forces relocated to the northern part of the Donbass front to reinforce russian defence east of Spirne.
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Pro-Russia Blogger WarGonzo (Yes, that one) confirmed Drobysheve (West of Lyman) has been fallen to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572650311290073090

They are flanking Lyman from South, West and Northwest after Broken thru Korovii Yar, seems like Russian control of Lyman days is over.
 
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jhungary said:
Pro-Russia Blogger WarGonzo (Yes, that one) confirmed Drobysheve (West of Lyman) has been fallen to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572650311290073090

They are flanking Lyman frim South, West and Northwest after Broken thru Korovii Yar, seems like Russian control of Lyman days is over.
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Ukraine fights with 1 to 4 deficiency in man power. Think Confederates versus Unions. It is not sustainable.
 
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Reashot Xigwin said:
M1 used Avtur (Jet fuel) they used Gas turbine engine.

It's not just about fuel consumption. It's about Logistic, training, etc & less talked about are the Tank's weight. M1 & Leo2 are >50 tons Behemoth. The average Ukrainian roads & bridges can't hold them.

Pentagon only suggested sending more former warsaw pact tanks to ukraine (for now) because they are more familiar with the platforms, supplies are aplenty making logistic easier, easier to train & field than western tanks. In the future maybe but not now.
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Imagine Ukrainians can have several breaks and send T-72M/A series to Poland who will upgrade them with German/EU money to PT-91 M2 variant.
T-72B can be directly used or mabe upgraded?
I dunno know a program for them from former eastern block - now EU countries?
Because Russkis let them built T-72M1 (T-72A obrig. 1983) only.
Upgrade the Eastern Block stuff and THEN send it to Ukraine.
You can upgrade 2S1 122mm SPH to have MRSI... etc.
To send all different kinds of equipment now will bring problems with the logistics.
BMP-1 and BMP-2 could be nicely upgraded.
 
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reflecthofgeismar said:
Imagine Ukrainians can have several breaks and send T-72M/A series to Poland who will upgrade them with German/EU money to PT-91 M2 variant.
T-72B can be directly used or mabe upgraded?
I dunno know a program for them from former eastern block - now EU countries?
Because Russkis let them built T-72M1 (T-72A obrig. 1983) only.
Upgrade the Eastern Block stuff and THEN send it to Ukraine.
You can upgrade 2S1 122mm SPH to have MRSI... etc.
To send all different kinds of equipment now will bring problems with the logistics.
BMP-1 and BMP-2 could be nicely upgraded.
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The problem why Western tank were not currently in Ukraine is because of logistic and support issue. Currently there are no US or NATO defence contractor in Kyiv providing support to fix these western equipment Ukraine were not equip to support when it breakdown, so say if a HIMARS or M270 MLRS engine has broken down, they have to tow it from wherever they are to Poland for them to fix it, this is not really economical. Which is why NATO has been sending unmodified ex-Soviet stock, Ukraine can fix them on the ground.

And the reason why there aren't US or NATO contractor in Ukraine is because it wasn't stable, but that was a few months ago, they probably need to look at places like Lviv and Kyiv or even further east near Sumy or Kharkiv are more or less stable enough to operate a maintenance center
 
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jhungary said:
The problem why Western tank were not currently in Ukraine is because of logistic and support issue. Currently there are no US or NATO defence contractor in Kyiv providing support to fix these western equipment Ukraine were not equip to support when it breakdown, so say if a HIMARS or M270 MLRS engine has broken down, they have to tow it from wherever they are to Poland for them to fix it, this is not really economical. Which is why NATO has been sending unmodified ex-Soviet stock, Ukraine can fix them on the ground.

And the reason why there aren't US or NATO contractor in Ukraine is because it wasn't stable, but that was a few months ago, they probably need to look at places like Lviv and Kyiv or even further east near Sumy or Kharkiv are more or less stable enough to operate a maintenance center
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They can probably just buy back the 300 T-80 they sold to Pakistan but it is likely they are in bad condition after all these years.
 
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reflecthofgeismar said:
Imagine Ukrainians can have several breaks and send T-72M/A series to Poland who will upgrade them with German/EU money to PT-91 M2 variant.
T-72B can be directly used or mabe upgraded?
I dunno know a program for them from former eastern block - now EU countries?
Because Russkis let them built T-72M1 (T-72A obrig. 1983) only.
Upgrade the Eastern Block stuff and THEN send it to Ukraine.
You can upgrade 2S1 122mm SPH to have MRSI... etc.
To send all different kinds of equipment now will bring problems with the logistics.
BMP-1 and BMP-2 could be nicely upgraded.
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The long term plan is still on arming Ukraine with western made weapons. But the short term is giving the Ukrainian combloc weapons. Because that's what they are used to and because there's parts for it everywhere east of the berlin wall.

Maybe we see the Ukrainian armed with Leopard 2 next years or the years after that. But for now Ukraine have to be satisfied with what they get.
 
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Reashot Xigwin said:
The long term plan is still on arming Ukraine with western made weapons. But the short term is giving the Ukrainian combloc weapons. Because that's what they are used to and because there's parts for it everywhere east of the berlin wall.

Maybe we see the Ukrainian armed with Leopard 2 next years or the years after that. But for now Ukraine have to be satisfied with what they get.
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Leopard 2 only has conventional rounds. Against T-90M it is sitting duck. T-90M is armed with AT-11 Sniper missiles which have twice the range of Leopard 2's conventional round.

en.wikipedia.org

9M119 Svir/Refleks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

 
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jhungary said:
The problem why Western tank were not currently in Ukraine is because of logistic and support issue. Currently there are no US or NATO defence contractor in Kyiv providing support to fix these western equipment Ukraine were not equip to support when it breakdown, so say if a HIMARS or M270 MLRS engine has broken down, they have to tow it from wherever they are to Poland for them to fix it, this is not really economical. Which is why NATO has been sending unmodified ex-Soviet stock, Ukraine can fix them on the ground.

And the reason why there aren't US or NATO contractor in Ukraine is because it wasn't stable, but that was a few months ago, they probably need to look at places like Lviv and Kyiv or even further east near Sumy or Kharkiv are more or less stable enough to operate a maintenance center
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Yeah I know but I wrote what should be done with Soviet classics when you have the time for that.
Ukries had good projects too before the war, sadly they have the same blood-sucking-parasites as company owners like in Russia. :D
 
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