Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[Viet]

a question , how Russia spend 100billion euro on the war in just 6 month while they primary use artillery rockets and iron bombs ?

It’s the total cost. You need to factor in money spent on foods, fuels, housing, services, wages, death, injury, destroyed equipment, etc.
everything to keep the war machine running.
$100b is a very low estimate. The more higher end estimate is Russia spends $1b per day or $180b.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

It’s the total cost. You need to factor in money spent on foods, fuels, housing, services, wages, death, injury, destroyed equipment, etc. everything.
$100b is a very low estimate. The more higher end estimate is Russia spends $1b per day or $180b.

Damn! That's a lot of money printing.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567116421884424192

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567334016524894208

https://twitter.com/x/status/1567219528932929536

 

[Soldier35]

In Ukraine, they continue to create new types of experimental weapons. This time, local weapon craftsmen took a self-propelled makeshift platform and installed a grenade launcher on it.

The calculation of the Russian air defense system "Buk-M3" spoke about his combat work in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian army has published a video, attempts to defeat the Russian drone. The drone corrected the work of Russian artillery, the soldiers even wanted to use MANPADS. The drone eventually took off.

 

[jhungary]

a question , how Russia spend 100billion euro on the war in just 6 month while they primary use artillery rockets and iron bombs ?

A Large chunk of those went to wages paid to soldier.

A private in Russian army paid around 50000 Rouble a month. That's about 830 USD (or 800 Euro) a month, Russian have (Or had) around 300,000 (Starting with 200,000 and then put another 100,000 in May) Let's say all of them are private, the total wages are about 1.5 billion. Then you have NCO, Officer, Sign in bonus, Wagner Group, Other paid help which paid multiple times a private, conventional estimate would put the number of wages paid to all group about 50 billion in this war.

Then you have death benefits, fuels, food, lodging, to pay for those people. Then you put in equipment lost, perishable (like munition and such) each dumb bomb alone cost around 2000 USD, each 152mm artillery shell cost around 200USD (US shell cost around 400/per), the Russian military had expanded multiple millions of those shell, then you talk about missile, and hypersonic missile used in this war, and the equipment lost and captured by Ukrainian, a tank will set Russian back several millions, and Ukraine had captured around 160 confirmed by Open Source. Moskva alone cost 750 million in today money, along with a few transports ship lost and tugboat, Helicopter and fighter jet,

They probably had lost around 20 billion a month in the lower scale.

 

[DF41]

Your source is some show you claim you watched that you share as actionable information.
At least share the claims that a pro-Putin that claims Russinas are superhumans and are defending themselves may have put forth. At least then the fabrication went on a twitter handle.
Instead of wasting your time here (where you accomplish nothing) you could work for KGB and its cyber team to promote these stories. They are good and they will reach the audience thats looking for lots of news (doesn't matter if its true or not)

With the crap that you are posting and claiming, you be going where the sun and moon never shine.
And the 6 legged intellectuals, and your betters, be feasting on used toilet tissues and discarded condoms.

Even they will ignore you as they crawling around much better than you can hope to be

 

[ZeGerman]

It depends on national interest, we don't agree on Russia invading Ukriane, but we don't agree on NATO expanding either. Therefore we proposed that Ukraine sign a neutrality pact with Russia but it seems nobody gave a damn and hence we are in this mess now. And we don't agree on unilateral sanctions on sovereign states, because we buy oil and gas from Russia. Systemically, we depend on the West because its their system but if you talk about hard core resources, Russia is more important.dont forget the West is trying to destroy China too, so wht should we help the West?

China is not helping west.
But they are not going to oppose west over russias dreams of empire either.

Russia failing and ending up a north korea paria state is not a big concern. As that means gas would be even cheaper for china. And they would never have to fear from their old communist “big brother” anymore.

Just Google and check the latest Russian forex increase. Thanks to the price increase, Russia gained more forex in this 6 months than their lost 300bil$.

Well, the floodgates aren't even open yet matey. If we start building warships for Russia, not even your Papa USA can compete. We essentially launch the same number of destroyers in a year the whole Indian navy has. That's why its stupid to push Russia to China. With Russia, a multilateral world can be created, imagine Russia in Nato, we would be dead long ago. All the whitey gang banging China. That's my biggest nightmare. Stupidest strategic mistake, I was more afraid of Trump.

Again. China is not going to do anything of that.
Also with how undiplomatic, arrogant, greedy china had been in matters if territory….”whitey” is far from is only problem.
China had territory disputes with almost all its neighbours.

The Russian Air Force has been nonexistent since May. Somehow, they’ve put up a worse performance than their Army.

Why though?

Were their planes in storage badly maintained/cannibalised for parts?

Are they out of smart bombs and with terrible combined arms training they would do so little benefit that they just sit it out?

Cannot afford too much losses as these are not like the poor minority soldiers or wagner mercenaries and would cause a stir internally?

 

[Han Patriot]

China is not helping west.
But they are not going to oppose west over russias dreams of empire either.

Russia failing and ending up a north korea paria state is not a big concern. As that means gas would be even cheaper for china. And they would never have to fear from their old communist “big brother” anymore.

Again. China is not going to do anything of that.
Also with how undiplomatic, arrogant, greedy china had been in matters if territory….”whitey” is far from is only problem.
China had territory disputes with almost all its neighbours.


Why though?

Were their planes in storage badly maintained/cannibalised for parts?

Are they out of smart bombs and with terrible combined arms training they would do so little benefit that they just sit it out?

Personally I think Putin does not want an empire, its has been dead simple since day 1, dont expand NATO. A 9 year old Chinese gurl could see this in tiktok, it doesn't take a genius to understand this.

It is not in our interest to see Russia fail, they are already selling us cheaper gas despite the 400% inflation in Europe. We need Russia as much as they need us, united we stand, divided we fall. The West wants to destroy any opposition to their domination, the West meaning USA, the rest in the west are just basically poodles. If Russia falls, we are next, you think we are stupid or something? I am pretty sure we are supplying semi finished weapons to NK and Iran to supply to Russia. Even clandestinely we are already supplying them something, our space imaging asset is the largest on earth....

Territory? For 40 years, did we invade anyone? Want is ours is ours... Nothing more nothing less

It’s the total cost. You need to factor in money spent on foods, fuels, housing, services, wages, death, injury, destroyed equipment, etc.
everything to keep the war machine running.
$100b is a very low estimate. The more higher end estimate is Russia spends $1b per day or $180b.

It's just guesstimate..... Russia was supposed to have been bankrupt 6inths ago lol

 

[Viet]

Personally I think Putin does not want an empire, its has been dead simple since day 1, dont expand NATO. A 9 year old Chinese gurl could see this in tiktok, it doesn't take a genius to understand this.

It is not in our interest to see Russia fail, they are already selling us cheaper gas despite the 400% inflation in Europe. We need Russia as much as they need us, united we stand, divided we fall. The West wants to destroy any opposition to their domination, the West meaning USA, the rest in the west are just basically poodles. If Russia falls, we are next, you think we are stupid or something? I am pretty sure we are supplying semi finished weapons to NK and Iran to supply to Russia. Even clandestinely we are already supplying them something, our space imaging asset is the largest on earth....

Territory? For 40 years, did we invade anyone? Want is ours is ours... Nothing more nothing less


It's just guesstimate..... Russia was supposed to have been bankrupt 6inths ago lol

You are biased.
Putin wants to rebuild the empire. He says it repeatedly in assays and public speeches.
He just signed a military doctrine on “Russian civilization”.
If he doesn’t deny why you chinese try to deny? I don’t understand.
As for NATO, imagine you live in the Baltic’s if you are small and weaker then understandable people seek protection. What do you want?

 

[ZeGerman]

Personally I think Putin does not want an empire, its has been dead simple since day 1, dont expand NATO. A 9 year old Chinese gurl could see this in tiktok, it doesn't take a genius to understand this.

A 9 year old parroting propaganda….

Putin Laments Soviet Breakup As Demise Of 'Historical Russia,' Amid Ukraine Fears

www.rferl.org

And many soviet bloc nations came basically running towards Nato for protection.
Maybe russia should treat its former colonies better instead?
“How dare you fear us!!” —> invades and annexes land.

Not that USA instigating is no factor here…but it does not excuse russias war of agression.

It is not in our interest to see Russia fail, they are already selling us cheaper gas despite the 400% inflation in Europe. We need Russia as much as they need us, united we stand, divided we fall. The West wants to destroy any opposition to their domination, the West meaning USA, the rest in the west are just basically poodles. If Russia falls, we are next, you think we are stupid or something? I am pretty sure we are supplying semi finished weapons to NK and Iran to supply to Russia. Even clandestinely we are already supplying them something, our space imaging asset is the largest on earth....

Clearly Xi thinks differently as china mostly “stayed out of this”.

Perhaps as he is not as paranoid as you about “the west/whiteys coming for us”

Most of europe was on road to closer ties with russia….putin threw that all away to play risk.

Territory? For 40 years, did we invade anyone? Want is ours is ours... Nothing more nothing less

China has invaded before that, and recent years see a huge buildup of the army, heavy nationalistic propaganda, and more agressive claims. It seems “chinas peacefull rise” is nearing an end??

claims on others territory/territorial waters usually causes some stir.
Relations with india, japan, south korea, vietnam, indonesia, australia are shaky.
This is not some simplistic “heroic china” vs “evil nato” scenario.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It’s the total cost. You need to factor in money spent on foods, fuels, housing, services, wages, death, injury, destroyed equipment, etc.
everything to keep the war machine running.
$100b is a very low estimate. The more higher end estimate is Russia spends $1b per day or $180b.

let compare it with USA spending in Iraq with 15 time more sortie / day , use a lot more use of advanced and modern weapon . and those ridicilous amount the military contractor charged them ,

The most recent major report on these costs come from Brown University in the form of the Costs of War, which totaled just over $1.1 trillion. The United States Department of Defense's direct spending on Iraq totaled at least $757.8 billion, but also highlighting the complementary costs at home, such as interest paid on the funds borrowed to finance the wars.

that would be 157 milliard / year or 78 milliard for 6 month . a lot less than what people estimate for Russia , while Russia mainly use artillery rocket and free fall bomb not 500,000 dollar bombs , their army have lower maintenance certainly they won't ask the amount for dry cleaning a combat suit as other armies obtain two new one with that

A Large chunk of those went to wages paid to soldier.

A private in Russian army paid around 50000 Rouble a month. That's about 830 USD (or 800 Euro) a month, Russian have (Or had) around 300,000 (Starting with 200,000 and then put another 100,000 in May) Let's say all of them are private, the total wages are about 1.5 billion. Then you have NCO, Officer, Sign in bonus, Wagner Group, Other paid help which paid multiple times a private, conventional estimate would put the number of wages paid to all group about 50 billion in this war.

Then you have death benefits, fuels, food, lodging, to pay for those people. Then you put in equipment lost, perishable (like munition and such) each dumb bomb alone cost around 2000 USD, each 152mm artillery shell cost around 200USD (US shell cost around 400/per), the Russian military had expanded multiple millions of those shell, then you talk about missile, and hypersonic missile used in this war, and the equipment lost and captured by Ukrainian, a tank will set Russian back several millions, and Ukraine had captured around 160 confirmed by Open Source. Moskva alone cost 750 million in today money, along with a few transports ship lost and tugboat, Helicopter and fighter jet,

They probably had lost around 20 billion a month in the lower scale.

my question is usa army is a lot more expensive to maintain and the money you needed for iraq war was a lot less

 

[NotSure]

Prices will grow and grow??
Last recession gas prices dropped fivefold….

So russia pushing europe (and the world) too hard into recession might very well backfire enormously if europe shows backbone to take some economic hits

Russia is pushing Europe into recession? In a parallel universe or what? Washington and London gave the order and the EU started the sanctions, NOT Russia. They are pushing Europe into a recession, they are destroying our Economy.

How do you want to analyse things or get them explained by me, like the future gas prices, if you can't get the most basic facts straight? But instead, in your psychosis, you are twisting them to parrot the narrative: Evil Russians!

Btw: For our newzeelandian "expert" @patero regarding european affairs.

https://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_...-mit-Oel-Gas-und-Kohle-weiter-Milliarden.html

Russland verdient mit dem Export von Öl, Gas und Kohle an Deutschland und andere Länder weiter Milliarden. In den ersten sechs Monaten des russischen Angriffskriegs gegen die Ukraine habe Russland mit den Ausfuhren fossiler Energieträger aufgrund der stark gestiegenen Preise Einnahmen in Höhe von 158 Milliarden Euro erwirtschaftet, schrieb die unabhängige und in Finnland ansässige Forschungsorganisation Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (Crea) in einem am Dienstag veröffentlichten Bericht.

Das ist demnach mehr, als Russland schätzungsweise für den Ukraine-Krieg ausgibt: Diese Kriegskosten werden von Crea auf etwa 100 Milliarden Euro geschätzt. Der Export fossiler Brennstoffe habe mit etwa 43 Milliarden Euro zum russischen Staatshaushalt beigetragen und somit geholfen, Kriegsverbrechen in der Ukraine zu finanzieren.

Russia continues to earn billions by exporting oil, gas and coal to Germany and other countries. In the first six months of Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine, Russia earned revenue of 158 billion euros from fossil fuel exports as prices soared, the independent and Finland-based research organization Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (Crea) wrote in a report published Tuesday.

According to the report, that's more than Russia is estimated to be spending on the Ukraine war: Crea estimates these war costs at around 100 billion euros. Fossil fuel exports have contributed about 43 billion euros to Russia's national budget, helping to finance war crimes in Ukraine, it said.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

[gambit]

The Russian Air Force has been nonexistent since May. Somehow, they’ve put up a worse performance than their Army.

Why though?

Were their planes in storage badly maintained/cannibalised for parts?

Are they out of smart bombs and with terrible combined arms training they would do so little benefit that they just sit it out?

Cannot afford too much losses as these are not like the poor minority soldiers or wagner mercenaries and would cause a stir internally?

My take on the sorry affairs of the VKS is primarily doctrinal.

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

Still no proof that that photo was taken in Ukraine. Random photo doesn't prove anything, bro. :lol: Yeah yeah the ukrainian uniform on the right,the left guy having an AK74U which are in service in mass numbers within Ukrainian armed forces.... Show me proof it wasn't in Ukraine. Try to...

defence.pk

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

As for Iraq: Did Iraq violate the ceasefire by firing SAMs on coalition aircraft? Did Iraq attempt to assassinate George H.W, Bush? The answer to those questions determine the legality of Gulf War II. Saddam's decision to sell oil in EUR instead of USD was the, uh, legality of Gulf War II.

defence.pk

That is not to say that issues you listed like training and logistics are not contributors. They are important contributors. But doctrines were what limited the VKS from the onset and that set the stage for everything else. I am willing to go out on a limb and say that the VKS became THE critical turn of how the war is today for Russia.

 

[Han Patriot]

You are biased.
Putin wants to rebuild the empire. He says it repeatedly in assays and public speeches.
He just signed a military doctrine on “Russian civilization”.
If he doesn’t deny why you chinese try to deny? I don’t understand.
As for NATO, imagine you live in the Baltic’s if you are small and weaker then understandable people seek protection. What do you want?

Bro, common sense, even if he wanted a Russian Empire, you think he will publicly say it. Russia eversince the fall of the SU had been pretty peaceful until NATO began incorporating ex Soviet States against a verbal agreement to not do that. What do I want, if I were Russian I wouild want neutrality, joining an alliance against Russia is like openly declaring hostilities. After decades of patience, finally Russia snapped, can't blame them man. All of this was created by the West, almost all conflicts actually, not the West, USA to be precise.

 

[jhungary]

my question is usa army is a lot more expensive to maintain and the money you needed for iraq war was a lot less

You do know Afghanistan alone cost US 2 trillion dollars plus change for the entire 20 years conflict. That's 300 million a day. Compare to Russia 660 million a day

You may think yeah, that's cheap, but you need to know the Russia had around 300,000 troops being committed in this current war in Ukraine, US only deployed around 50,000 men in Afghanistan (The entire ISAF only had around 120,000 men at it peak) and we are not losing tank, fighter jet or artillery piece left and right. In fact, we don't even use tank in Afghanistan

A more comparable conflict is Iraq, it's around 3 trillion dollars between 2003-2011 with equipment loss (375 billion a year) compared to Russia ~100 billions in 6 months, direct financial contribution is around 757.8 billion for the same 8 years according to Congress funding (So around 93.5 billion a year), that's because we don't need to rebuy the tank or fighter aircraft when we ask for money to deploy between 2003 to 2011, so taht money is mostly used for lodging, food and support issue. The US loses the following item in Iraq war

• 20 M1 tanks
• 50 M2 Bradley fighting vehicles
• 20 Stryker wheeled combat vehicles
• 20 M113 armored personnel carriers
• 250 Humvees
• 500+ mine clearing vehicles, heavy/medium trucks, and trailers
• 10 Assault amphibious vehicles
• 18 Fix Wing Aircraft
• 190 Helicopter

US troop deployment level in Iraq is approximately 150,000 - 170,000 troop per year.