Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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How?
The longer russia draws this out, the bigger the damage to its military stock
(Elite divisions, armor, artillery, ammo), the bigger the alienation of its former soviet “brothers”, the bigger the divide vs their former favorite gas customers europe, the longer western supplies pile up into ukraine. The bigger the hit to russian economy.
So the winter offensive was only for Bakhmut?
They stop short of sloviansk/kramatorsk.
They do not take the donbass, let alone zhaporizhia/cherson?
What kiev march?
After the first failed horribly, and the second one never happened (russia is emptying belarussian ammo stocks now), and the winter offensive that could only conquer bakhmut…what kiev march?
Looking at photos eastern Ukrainians who apparently wanted russia to help them annex their region from the sovereign country they were a part of must be really happy with destruction what the Russians have done to their homes and cities to help them do this!!! Lol
Time is on Russia's side in this conflict all day long. Russia no longer gives a flying f about doing business with the West as they illegally stole Russian Money breaking international law. Russian future has been cemented Eastwards and the West seems to be crying about it because the Sanctions have hurt US more than the Russians.
The offensive wasn't for Bakhmut only. What I said is after Bakhmut falls, it offers Russia a great opportunity to consolidate before continuing onto the rest of the Donbass.
You're deluded if you think Russia has used proper force yet. If Ukraine steps up the escalation ladder, they'll have another thing coming for them. I myself am surprised at the restraint the Russian forces. Should the SMO turn into a real war, Ukraine will get annihilated. The clown of Kiev would be wise to come to the table, but realistically speaking I believe he'll condemn "his" people to more misery of war with continued forced conscription.
Mariupol has already been rebuilt at lightning speed. You do realise that the Ukrainians have been targeting civilian infrastructure in the liberated areas? or do you conveniently chose to ignore that?
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Oh please spare us the "Russia isn't using proper force yet" "they only sent second tier forces" "Real russian army is waiting at home for NATO", "Russia could burn Ukraine in an hour".
I know for Russian lovers who were fed about how great Russian armed forces were, how they could invade gay Europe in 48 hours it is hard to swallow the reality that Russian armed forces are trash, riddled with corruption, neglect, incompetence and nepotism,resorting to ww1 tactics of human waves, some fools think Russia's fighting NATO, NATO would simply annihilate what's left of the "russian army".
And it seems they are preparing for round 3 now. Russians were not doing any relocations lateral to the front for months, but now they began moving extra forces from Svatove, and forces training in Belarus there.
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The problem with Bakhmut is that while UAF are attriting Russians there well, Russians only throw their infinite Wagner cannon fodder there, while Russian regulars stay far behind, and take pot shots.
Wuhledar is where RU regulars get attrited fairly, because they lost tons of armour, officers, and artillery there, besides the draftee stuffed 155th brigade
Still, Russians keep their last remaining good fighters behind, probably waiting for the spring as well.
Really?
Russia military budget is going to be 18%.
Vs 3-5% in europe. Which economy handles that better?
russian Budget deficit is rising
Russia’s Deficit Hits $25 Billion as Energy Income Slumps
The Russian government’s oil and gas revenue slumped in January, contributing to the biggest budget deficit for the first month of the year since at least 1998.
www.bloomberg.com
It also lost nearly 2000 tanks. 10 years worth of production. Russia is demilitarizing itself now.
Will also hit other sectors.
Russian Regulator Approves Aircraft Cannibalization Amid Sanctions | Aviation Week Network
Rosaviatsia now allows the installation of non-original spares on foreign-made commercial aircraft, without seeking approval from the type-certificate holders.
aviationweek.com
Gas pipes to europe were tenfold of that to china. It will take russia 10+ years to adjust.
And thrn they are in a situation where china calls the shots….
Bakhmut took a year to conquer.
How long is the better fortified sloviansk and kramatorsk going to take?
Care to make a guess?
They used their elite vdb and marine division. Their first guard armor division. Much of their cruise missiles.
Only their airforce avoids much of the fighting….
Like bombing the mariupol theatre full of kids? bucha? Torture chambers everywhere?
Turning to a campaign of attacks on electrical and water infrastructure to “freeze the population”? (Tactic that failed)
Yeah very restrained.
You also realise that wth ukraine being in the medias eye, pure brutality just means more anti-air support, potential no-fly zone?
Only eritrea, iran, north korea supports russia on its war of agression. This has a reason.
UN reports are pretty damning as well. Spare me your russian bullshit propaganda sob stories.
Putin can stop this war in a second by retreating back across the border.
