Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

RoadAmerica · Aug 4, 2022

925boy said:
Well? Russia learned that from US, so i dont see any issue there, unless people wanna be hypocrites and use double standards..

A hypocrite would believe Russia is behaving the same way the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan

The US didn’t use scorched earth tactics, far from it.

Broccoli · Aug 4, 2022

How Russians treat their injured veterans.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1554824362699542531

sammuel · Aug 4, 2022

F-22Raptor said:
No HIMARS have been destroyed and that photo is not HIMARS. It’s a transport truck.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1554915661062733824

Another massive HIMARS strike

Vergennes said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1554910466098479105

This is the longest explosion i have heard.

More than 15 minute of non ending explosions in an admonition dump , from few weeks ago :

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RoadAmerica · Aug 4, 2022

zectech said:
No I am getting to the point of European governments wasting money of something that can be taken out by one single aircraft.

After you have air supremacy, which Moscow seems to not care about at this moment, you can do this:

Highway of Death - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which means you need to out swarm the air attack with massive number of viable targets, protected by air defenses. Meaning if you lose 1000 tanks or artillery, you have massive back-up despite SU-25s and other strike and attack from the air. Russia is arguably the largest land army on the globe. 12 HIMARS are not going to hold back a full scale invasion of Europe.

'The EU cannot defend Europe': NATO chief
"More than 90 percent of the people in the European Union, they live in a NATO country. But only 20 percent of NATO's defence spending comes from NATO EU members," Stoltenberg said.

'The EU cannot defend Europe': NATO chief

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg warned Thursday that Europe's defence depends on close transatlantic bonds and not on a quest for the continent's strategic autonomy.

news.yahoo.com

Putin laughs every time a European nation buys HIMARS. If the EU cannot defend Europe, then going after buying HIMARS is a waste of money for nations such as the Baltic states. You need asymmetric warfare - thousands of inexpensive towed artillery for the Baltic states, not 12 sitting targets that Iran could hit blindfolded.

Lol, they don’t care about air superiority?
They simply can’t achieve air superiority, therefore they’ll continue to suffer. Wake me up when they do

Ahmadbhutta01 said:
Russia is the richest country interms of natural resources that are most demanded in the world , Russia earned 120bn$ from selling oil and gas in 4 months due to rise in oil price , only western economy suffered from sanctions , the euro is going down along with European coming and above all

Winter is coming ........

There’s a huge difference between having natural resources and being able to extract them for sale. We’ve seen how good Russia is with oil production, which is they aren’t good at all without western tech. Need I remind you bp has exited

zectech · Aug 4, 2022

Han Patriot said:
This is the level of their delusion. A couple of magic mlrs which both China and Russia produces is going to destroy the invasion force. And they really believes whatever bullshit is fed to them by their 'trustwirthy' media. From Ghost of Kiev to Zelensky the clown.

China needs to get rid of the thousands of tanks, artillery, and other combat vehicles in the PLA. China needs to get rid of their small arms and air defenses. China needs to get rid of their new aircraft carrier - similar to the size of Fords flat top, get rid of 055s, 054s, 052s, and the rest of their navy. Get rid of their air force. And instead get 4 or 12 HIMARS. Those 12 HIMARS are going to stop a US invasion of China. HIMARS are like ninjas, invisible (protected by EW or ADS or something - if HIMARS are protected so easily with EW or something, why not extend this to other targets ??? - why not sell that tech to the EU to defeat Russia). The USA could never find those 12 Chinese HIMARS, And with their range would keep the USA at bay. This is the insanity that is being sold to the EU.

The NATO chief said the EU with the present armed forces cannot hold Russia back. So instead of the EU getting a military 3 or 4 times that of China as they should, EU is expected to buy those "invisible, undetectable, stealth" HIMARS that Russia is finding "impossible" to find and attack with air or missile assault.

When Russia invades the EU and EU is ready with their dozens of HIMARS. "Why is Russia so easily destroying these easy targets of HIMARS, EU is finished"

What Europe needs is overwhelming firepower, greater than Russia. And swarms of targets, that won't be destroyed by a single sortie. So European MIC needs to make at cost towed howitzers to begin with. 50-100K made in the next 5 years. Have Germany have 40K. Have Italy have 30K, have Poland have 10K. Have other countries in the EU buy 1K or 5K. And make other weapons down the list in mass. 10s of thousands of tanks, 100s of thousand of anti-armour missiles. 2 to 4 times the number of aircraft that Russia has. etc

When Russia invades Europe. EU generals are asked what does the EU have to stop Russia. EU generals reply: "We have dozens of HIMARS". Moments later after Russia takes them out, these same EU generals say, "We had dozens of HIMARS".

You don't want to give Russia and thus Putin's backers, the option of destroying the EU. Relying on HIMARS is giving Putin that option.

“We are (for the) first time in the history in a situation where the President of the United States (Trump) and (the) President of Russia seem to share the same view on Europe: the weaker, the better, because they think that it’s better for their own country, which is obviously not right,” Katainen, who is also the former prime minister of Finland said.

'Very dangerous': Putin, Trump want to weaken the European Union, top official says

There is at least one thing in common between the U.S. and Russia – their willingness to weaken the European Union, a top EU official said.

www.cnbc.com

I find it fantastic that the HIMARS are destroying Russian targets in Ukraine. I find it funny that Putin refuses to take out HIMARS, when Russia has the capabilities. I find it deadly to the EU to over-rely on buying HIMARS to defend Europe.

Han Patriot · Aug 4, 2022

zectech said:
China needs to get rid of the thousands of tanks, artillery, and other combat vehicles in the PLA. China needs to get rid of their small arms and air defenses. China needs to get rid of their new aircraft carrier - similar to the size of Fords flat top, get rid of 055s, 054s, 052s, and the rest of their navy. Get rid of their air force. And instead get 4 or 12 HIMARS. Those 12 HIMARS are going to stop a US invasion of China. HIMARS are like ninjas, invisible. The USA could never find those 12 HIMARS, And with their range would keep the USA at bay. This is the insanity that is being sold to the EU.

The NATO chief said the EU with the present armed forces cannot hold Russia back. So instead of the EU getting a military 3 or 4 times that of China as they should, EU is expected to buy those "invisible, undetectable, stealth" HIMARS that Russia is finding "impossible" to find and attack with air or missile assault.

When Russia invades the EU and EU is ready with their dozens of HIMARS. "Why is Russia so easily destroying these easy targets of HIMARS, EU is finished"

Exactly, what's the point of investing in J35s J20s HQ16 missiles and cruise missiles. 12 HIMARS (how many destroyed?) can defeat a superpower already. And don't forget the dozen or so M777, Hahahahah. Gosh we make AH4s like pancakes, I am pretty sure our guided munitions don't cost 100k a pop. Ukrainians were complaining about the frequent breakdowns and also the lack do the latest firing computers, the Yanks were afraid the Ruskies might capture the latest ones. Lolololol old.

And that bayrakthar using Canadian engines, gosh the best drones I dare say come from China. The same technology use for civilian drones are used in military drones.

Viet · Aug 4, 2022

Ahmadbhutta01 said:
Russia is the richest country interms of natural resources that are most demanded in the world , Russia earned 120bn$ from selling oil and gas in 4 months due to rise in oil price , only western economy suffered from sanctions , the euro is going down along with European coming and above all

Winter is coming ........

How is high fuels prices help Russia automobile industry, aircraft and other manufacturing, retail, and other industries? Zero. Russia can’t export Russia can’t import. 1,000 foreign companies leaving. The economy imploding.

Those $120 billion won’t help the poor, middle class either. There is no money for them. the Ukraine war costs Russia $1 billion per day. And the war as you know it lasts more than 120 days yet with no end insight.

zectech · Aug 4, 2022

Han Patriot said:
Exactly, what's the point of investing in J35s J20s HQ16 missiles and cruise missiles. 12 HIMARS (how many destroyed?) can defeat a superpower already. And don't forget the dozen or so M777, Hahahahah. Gosh we make AH4s like pancakes, I am pretty sure our guided munitions don't cost 100k a pop. Ukrainians were complaining about the frequent breakdowns and also the lack do the latest firing computers, the Yanks were afraid the Ruskies might capture the latest ones. Lolololol old.

And that bayrakthar using Canadian engines, gosh the best drones I dare say come from China. The same technology use for civilian drones are used in military drones.

China does face the same problem the EU faces, if in a war with Russia, and the EU have overwhelming firepower to take Moscow in weeks. Russia would simply nuke Germany and Italy and other smaller nations. And the Trump/Pompeo cia would sit in chairs laughing at Europe. The cia hated Adenauer and see the EU as competitor.

'Very dangerous': Putin, Trump want to weaken the European Union, top official says

There is at least one thing in common between the U.S. and Russia – their willingness to weaken the European Union, a top EU official said.

www.cnbc.com

The US would never again be risked in a nuclear war to protect Europe from being nuked. Meaning the nukes of the US are there to protect the US and maybe Israel and UK, not Germany and Italy.

The same trouble that the EU faces in being nuked from potentially being too strong conventionally is what China faces too. Trump wants to nuke China. Trump would not care if buddy Putin nukes the EU. The EU needs weapon systems better than S-500s, and nuclear arsenal greater than Russia and a delivery system better than the US. For this reason, the EU has to be dove-ish, instead of hawkish on war.

gambit · Aug 4, 2022

Han Patriot said:
Yah HIMARS is gonna save Ukraine. Geesshh what have they been feeding you lil cheer babies. You think weapons accumulate experience huh... Lol

Actually, they do. But of course, as a sofa soldier, you would not understand what I mean.

Viet · Aug 4, 2022

zectech said:
China does face the same problem the EU faces, if in a war with Russia, and the EU have overwhelming firepower to take Moscow in weeks. Russia would simply nuke Germany and Italy and other smaller nations. And the Trump/Pompeo cia would sit in chairs laughing at Europe. The cia hated Adenauer and see the EU as competitor.

'Very dangerous': Putin, Trump want to weaken the European Union, top official says

There is at least one thing in common between the U.S. and Russia – their willingness to weaken the European Union, a top EU official said.

www.cnbc.com

The US would never again be risked in a nuclear war to protect Europe from being nuked. Meaning the nukes of the US are there to protect the US and maybe Israel and UK, not Germany and Italy.

The same trouble that the EU faces in being nuked from potentially being too strong conventionally is what China faces too. Trump wants to nuke China. Trump would not care if buddy Putin nukes the EU. The EU needs weapon systems better than S-500s, and nuclear arsenal greater than Russia and a delivery system better than the US. For this reason, the EU has to be dove-ish, instead of hawkish on war.

Your logics makes no sense. If the US won’t come with nuclear umbilical what NATO at all is used for? For fun or what? Why Sweden, Finland seek to join the NATO? Why Ukraine, Georgia, Moldavia? You forgot nuclear arsenals from UK, France. You forgot German, Italia and other countries carrying US nuclear bombs.

Soldier35 · Aug 4, 2022

There was evidence of the use of weapons against drones by soldiers of the Ukrainian army. In the video, you can see the use of the gun against drones ANTIDRON KVSG-6, manufactured by the Ukrainian company Kvertus Technology. The gun suppresses the control and navigation channels of the drone at a distance of up to 3000 meters, which leads to landing or loss of communication with the drone. Battery life of the device: 25-30 minutes. Weight with batteries - 6 kg. The price at the current hryvnia exchange rate is about 11,500 dollars.

The British Brimstone I rocket fell into the hands of the Russian army in the Zaporozhye direction of Ukraine. An unexploded rocket was found near the positions of Russian troops. The Brimstone missile is 3 times more effective than the American AGM-65G Maverick missile against modern tanks and is a valuable model for research by the Russian army. The rocket was made in September 2001, and the forward compartment of the rocket was made in 2004. These missiles began to enter service with the UK in 2005, this is a fire-and-forget missile. The homing air-to-ground missile is equipped with an active radar homing head. The rocket discovered in Ukraine belongs to the first modification of the Brimstone 1 in its early version.

Eyewitnesses from Russia noticed a train with military equipment of the Chinese army on the stage near the village of Alekseevo-Lozovskoye, Rostov Region. This region borders on Donbass. Perhaps military equipment is intended for competitions between the military from different countries, which will be held at the end of August.