Russia To Nudge India Toward Buying BMP-3s

[Rajaraja Chola]

Let the private sector do something. TATA and MM have already invested heavily , and there would be a major protest if it is given to Russia.
Its time, we try to do these things now. Private sector brings in a lot of money power and lets wait for the better product.

 

[trinity]

Im all for the Indian private sector making this a reality. If BMP2 and BMP3 are not even being given orders by Russia and Russia is looking towards Europe or newer designs for their own army, then why the F-k should we take their junk and use it? Why do we think its okay to be below Russia? If we dont even dream being better than the rest, then just give up defence and break apart . China wants to be the best and is working hard to ahcieve that....that is the only mindset we should have.

 

[neehar]

Im all for the Indian private sector making this a reality. If BMP2 and BMP3 are not even being given orders by Russia and Russia is looking towards Europe or newer designs for their own army, then why the F-k should we take their junk and use it? Why do we think its okay to be below Russia? If we dont even dream being better than the rest, then just give up defence and break apart . China wants to be the best and is working hard to ahcieve that....that is the only mindset we should have.

exactly....we must develop our own technology..and i see the tatas and l&ts competing with other big time players in the industry across the globe

 

[acetophenol]

ABHAY IFV

The Abhay (Fearless) is a prototype of India's indigenously developed infantry fighting vehicle. It was developed as a technology demonstrator and incorporates a number of advanced systems.
Turret incorporates a mix of weapons and has an indigenous fire control system. It is fitted with a 40-mm high velocity cannon. It also has a limited capability against low-flying air targets. Abhay carries 210 rounds for the main gun, including APFSDS and HE rounds. It also has a Russian-made Konkurs (AT-5 Spandrel) anti-tank missile launcher located on top of the roof. The AT-5 Spandrel has an effective range of fire in 4 km.
The Abhay is also fitted with a 7.62-mm machine gun and 40-mm automatic grenade launcher.
It is believed that the Abhay has the same Kanchan composite armor, found on the Arjun main battle tanks. This armor is broadly similar to British Chobham and offers good protection against various types of weapons, especially high-explosive anti-tank rounds. Front arc provides protection against medium-caliber cannons. All-round protection is against small arms fire and artillery shell splinters. Vehicle is also fitted with NBC protection system.
The Abhay infantry fighting vehicle has a crew of three and can accommodate seven fully-equipped soldiers in a spacious combat compartment.
This IFV is powered by a TD2V8 diesel engine, developing 550 horsepower. The Abhay has a state-of-the-art hydropneumatic suspension system.
Currently this infantry fighting vehicle undergoes various tests and in the near future it might become a replacement for the India's ageing BMP-1 IFVs.


Tarmor Heavy APC

The Tarmour heavy armored personnel carrier is a recent Indian development. It is a conversion of ageing Soviet T-55 medium tanks. India operates around 900 T-55 tanks, that are in process of being phased out. This heavy APC shows some Israel's influence in it's design.


Protection of the Tarmour heavy APC is similar to MBTs. It uses Kanchan heavy composite armor, which is broadly similar to the British Chobham. Explosive reactive armor blocks can be added for improved protection. It is claimed that Tarmour's armor provides all-round protection against RPG-7 rounds. Vehicle is fitted with NBC protection and automatic fire suppression systems.

The Tarmour is armed with a remotely controlled 12.7-mm machine gun. This weapon station is operated by vehicle's commander.

 

[Omega007]

Koovie,you are an ignorant f**king idiot,you know that??Do you even tried to know that whether or not DRDO had even got to do anything with so called FICV or not??In reality,DRDO is in no way connected to FICV project fool.

Koovie,you are an ignorant f**king idiot,you know that??Do you even tried to know that whether or not DRDO had even got to do anything with so called FICV or not??In reality,DRDO is in no way connected to FICV project fool.

 

[faithfulguy]

India should not reinvent the wheel. buy a proven system and learn from there.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

TATA IFV - Tracked

TATA IFV - Wheeled

Mahindra


India has private/public companies like TATA, L&T, Mahindra, etc teaming up with foreigners.

 

[karan21]

Lets keep the ******* Russians out of this. These guys need to mind their own business not intervene in Indian projects which are for Indian companies. Now this project will become a battle between Indian lobbies and Russian lobbies. Both will try to convince the govt to get the project. Lets see who wins.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Nah, the IA is pushing ahead with the F-ICV for sure. Any naysayers fail to understand that the IA is only looking to induct the F-ICVs from 2020 onwards so there is plenty of time until then to devlop and test. Also there is no reason, if the IA was having doubts in the F-ICV, why they would look to govt-govt deal with the BMP-3 automatically being seleected. There would be an open tander as has become the norm these days, the BMP-3 would have to go up against contenders from all over the world as this would be the "mother of all ICV tenders".

As it is F-ICV is still on, the Russians can offer what they like.

India should not reinvent the wheel. buy a proven system and learn from there.

In some instances I agree with this logic but in this case India has the ability and creativity to make its own ICVs and atleast some of the revenue should be pumped into the private Indian defence scene. Such a deal could be a launch pad for the future.


India needs to do what it can when it can, otherwise it gets belittled for being the "world's largest arms importer".

 

[Killswitch]

The BMP 3 is an old design and is not going to meet modern IA requirements. The government made the FICV prgram to let Indian private companies prove they can design and build an important combat platform.

The government knows that if it scuttled the FICV and bought the BMP 3 the private companies would not risk their time, effort, and money, to help the government ever again. The government is going to stay the course.

The Russians are going to replace the T90 and BMP 3 with a universal system that will be used as a tank, ficv, mortar carrier, AA defense platform, etc. This is them trying to unload their obsolete designs onto India.

 

[The A-5]

Upgrading BMP-2K and producing some 300-400 more is better than buying BMP-3.

But then this is just an offer, I dont think IA is interested in it. They also "nudged" us to buy
Su-35 and MiG-35 but we didn't.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Upgrading BMP-2K and producing some 300-400 more is better than buying BMP-3.

But then this is just an offer, I dont think IA is interested in it. They also "nudged" us to buy
Su-35 and MiG-35 but we didn't.

Not to mention a Nuclear ACC, YAK-130 AJT, BTR-4 etc


An offer is an offer, I don't know why just because Russia offers, the media hypes this up as a certain sale. The Russians are actually losing market share in India so it is becoming less and less likely that India will buy military hardwar from them and especially not in a govt-govt deal, there will almost always be an open tenders these days.

 

[trinity]

The BMP 3 is an old design and is not going to meet modern IA requirements. The government made the FICV prgram to let Indian private companies prove they can design and build an important combat platform.

The government knows that if it scuttled the FICV and bought the BMP 3 the private companies would not risk their time, effort, and money, to help the government ever again. The government is going to stay the course.

The Russians are going to replace the T90 and BMP 3 with a universal system that will be used as a tank, ficv, mortar carrier, AA defense platform, etc. This is them trying to unload their obsolete designs onto India.

The Russians should be offering that new universal system to us as a joint venture and TOT. Now that would speak volumes.