Russia to build nuclear aircraft carrier by 2023

[Oldman1]

China is getting a carrier...And now Russia wants a carrier.

I think the US is losing its status fast. maybe the rest of the world doesn't have equipment as advanced as the US but the entire world is catching up sort to speak even small countries want to develop their own fighters etc...

I think the time of wars for land is coming back.

When China and Russia builds a dozen carriers, then we'll talk.

 

[HROBOS]

When China and Russia builds a dozen carriers, then we'll talk.

If we build it will be scary?

 

[silko]

russia plans to attack scandinavia! :O XD

 

[Thomas]

Considering they had to buy an LPD from the French.. you may be right..
Less to do with infrastructure thought.. probably has to do more with design and expertize.
Last I heard was that most Russian ship designers had left for greener pastures after 91.. and not to many came to replace them.

your more spot on, I tend to look at manufacturing, expertise, design and supply all grouped as one. since they all work together to realize the final project being built.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The nuclear powered supercarrier is a big complex engineering system, those nuclear plants are completely different from those used in the SSBN and SSN.

So thinking that the much smaller submarine nuclear reactor can be easily fit into the nuclear supercarrier, then it would be a big mistake, just look at the Charles de Gaulle.

 

[below_freezing]

I do not want to argue. However, please do not compare China with Russia. China has a lot to work to catch up with Russia to develop military technology. China has some successes. However, what will China and Russia in 10-20 years, we do not know.
Will China ever really compete with Russia in military technology? I doubt it.
Do not talk about opportunities in Russia. You know nothing about them.

China is already competing with Russia in military technologies. I don't think Russians like the competition but it is a fact of life. The gap between China and Russia in civilian technologies is getting wider, not smaller, and in China's favor. Civilian technologies inevitably influence military technologies. It is ludicrous to think that a country with over 10 times the patent and scientific paper output of Russia with a higher citation index can lag behind for long.

That said I hope Russia does complete this carrier.

 

[HROBOS]

China is already competing with Russia in military technologies. I don't think Russians like the competition but it is a fact of life. The gap between China and Russia in civilian technologies is getting wider, not smaller, and in China's favor. Civilian technologies inevitably influence military technologies. It is ludicrous to think that a country with over 10 times the patent and scientific paper output of Russia with a higher citation index can lag behind for long.

That said I hope Russia does complete this carrier.

1) A patent on a toothpick and a patent for an aircraft engine (different things).
2) Many Russian inventions registered abroad.
I personally knew a man who had offered to buy its development.
Engaged in this way as Western, Chinese representatives.
There are several ways.
A) Invite a developer to work. Invention can register under his own name (where - or whether the U.S. or another country).
B) Offer to buy his invention. The invention is registered to someone else's name.
B) Scientific espionage.
Fewer Believe empty statistics. She did not say what.
For 90 years, China has bought up a huge amount of Russian Technologies (now he does the same).
3) China in some ways closer to Russia. However, China still lags far behind Russia. When I talk about competition. I do not mean plagiarism, for less money, but real development. China is expected to own an aircraft carrier. Only a Russian aircraft carrier design engineers.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

1) A patent on a toothpick and a patent for an aircraft engine (different things).
2) Many Russian inventions registered abroad.
I personally knew a man who had offered to buy its development.
Engaged in this way as Western, Chinese representatives.
There are several ways.
A) Invite a developer to work. Invention can register under his own name (where - or whether the U.S. or another country).
B) Offer to buy his invention. The invention is registered to someone else's name.
B) Scientific espionage.
Fewer Believe empty statistics. She did not say what.
For 90 years, China has bought up a huge amount of Russian Technologies (now he does the same).
3) China in some ways closer to Russia. However, China still lags far behind Russia. When I talk about competition. I do not mean plagiarism, for less money, but real development. China is expected to own an aircraft carrier. Only a Russian aircraft carrier design engineers.

China's indigenous carrier gonna be closer to the American carriers, and Varyag is just a training carrier at best.

 

[HROBOS]

China's indigenous carrier gonna be closer to the American carriers, and Varyag is just a training carrier at best.

"Varyag" is the only thing that can currently afford to China. In the future, it may be "Ulyanovsk".
At the moment, develop a "full" can only aircraft carrier, two countries (U.S. and Russia). The original project development.
At the same time to build and develop a "full" aircraft carrier at the moment can only be the U.S. (financial capabilities).

I recognized that regardless of my personal relations with the U.S..

To dream and be able to implement it (not the same thing).

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

"Varyag" is the only thing that can currently afford to China. In the future, it may be "Ulyanovsk".
At the moment, develop a "full" can only aircraft carrier, two countries (U.S. and Russia). The original project development.
At the same time to build and develop a "full" aircraft carrier at the moment can only be the U.S. (financial capabilities).

I recognized that regardless of my personal relations with the U.S..

To dream and be able to implement it (not the same thing).

lol, our economy will be pretty soon 10 trillion USD, so maintaining 2-3 battlegroups isn't a problem for us.

Varyag was basically an empty hull when we purchased it from Ukraine, the engine was removed and all the important components were dismantled.

To build another Varyag is now a piece cake for us, but considering it is too primitive compared to the powerful US supercarrier. Therefore we need to move toward the EMALS supercarrier as well.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Here is the land based test facility of our EMALS.

And this is that of US.

China has started its EMALS research 15 years ago, unsurprisingly we might even skip the steam catapult.

BTW, this topic is about the Russian CVN, so lets stick right back to the topic.

 

[HROBOS]

Here is the land based test facility of our EMALS.

And this is that of US.

China has started its EMALS research 15 years ago, unsurprisingly we might even skip the steam catapult.

BTW, this topic is about the Russian CVN, so lets stick right back to the topic.

The Chinese have
1. Empty housing project 1143.6
2. Received the complete documentation for projects 1143.1/2/3/4/5/6/7.
3. Scientific documentation on the creation of the Soviet steam catapults.
4. For complete documentation on the pallet carrier-based aircraft simulator "Nitka".
5. Samples of aircraft for the carrier.
6. Samples and drawings of all components of remaining in Ukraine.
7. Help Ukrainian professionals are building these ships.
8. Assistance to the Russian company developing data carriers.
China is simply to collect, "lego".

What are you trying to prove to me? We are not children.
The contribution of Chinese scientific thought in the Chinese aircraft carrier (comparable with the contribution of India in the development of the PAK-FA). China has a "пупок развяжется " build it all yourself.

A good example is the purchase of "Zubr." "Zubr" is the most powerful amphibious hovercraft. Ukraine illegally sold the project to China (actually carried out the theft of Russian Technologies). China is engaged in this issue (purchasing of stolen property). A couple of years the Chinese comrades will try to convince me of how far the scientific thought in China.
They create the most powerful hovercrafts totally "original" design. Not even funny.

Technical and financial capabilities of the USSR were much higher current Chinese capabilities. However, the USSR took several decades and huge cash costs of setting up their carrier program (Chinese billions on this background, the absolute pittance.) For those who do not know. The USSR had a proven and existing steam catapult. At the last Soviet aircraft carrier, "Ulyanovsk" There were two starting places springboard + two catapults. This allowed us to run four aircraft. "Ulyanovsk" is comparable in its capabilities to modern aircraft carriers, the United States.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

BTW, your minister of the defense just officially denied this plan. A very smart move, better to work hard before bragging.

Russian defense minister denies plans to build aircraft carriers | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[below_freezing]

1) A patent on a toothpick and a patent for an aircraft engine (different things).
2) Many Russian inventions registered abroad.
I personally knew a man who had offered to buy its development.
Engaged in this way as Western, Chinese representatives.
There are several ways.
A) Invite a developer to work. Invention can register under his own name (where - or whether the U.S. or another country).
B) Offer to buy his invention. The invention is registered to someone else's name.
B) Scientific espionage.
Fewer Believe empty statistics. She did not say what.
For 90 years, China has bought up a huge amount of Russian Technologies (now he does the same).
3) China in some ways closer to Russia. However, China still lags far behind Russia. When I talk about competition. I do not mean plagiarism, for less money, but real development. China is expected to own an aircraft carrier. Only a Russian aircraft carrier design engineers.

http://www.semiconrussia.org/en/sites/semiconrussia.org/files/sitronics.pdf

Entire Russian semiconductor industry: 900 million USD.

Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SMIC, 1 Chinese company: 1.35 billion USD

A tiny Chinese no-name fabless company not even in top 20: 346.3 million (1/3 the size of Russia's entire semiconductor industry)

Spreadtrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we go further into all aspects of electronics, it looks even worse for Russia.

Huawei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Revenue: $28 billion USD

Huawei serves 45 of the world's 50 largest telecoms operators and invests around 10 per cent of its annual revenues in R&D.[6] It has R&D centers in Beijing, Chengdu, Nanjing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Wuhan and Xi'an, China; Ottawa, Canada; Bangalore, India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Mexico City, Mexico; Wijchen, Netherlands; Karachi and Lahore, Pakistan, Ferbane, Republic of Ireland; Moscow, Russia; Stockholm, Sweden; Istanbul, Turkey; and Dallas and Silicon Valley, United States.[7]

 

[ptldM3]

http://www.semiconrussia.org/en/sites/semiconrussia.org/files/sitronics.pdf

Entire Russian semiconductor industry: 900 million USD.

Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SMIC, 1 Chinese company: 1.35 billion USD

A tiny Chinese no-name fabless company not even in top 20: 346.3 million (1/3 the size of Russia's entire semiconductor industry)

Spreadtrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we go further into all aspects of electronics, it looks even worse for Russia.

Huawei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Revenue: $28 billion USD

Huawei serves 45 of the world's 50 largest telecoms operators and invests around 10 per cent of its annual revenues in R&D.[6] It has R&D centers in Beijing, Chengdu, Nanjing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Wuhan and Xi'an, China; Ottawa, Canada; Bangalore, India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Mexico City, Mexico; Wijchen, Netherlands; Karachi and Lahore, Pakistan, Ferbane, Republic of Ireland; Moscow, Russia; Stockholm, Sweden; Istanbul, Turkey; and Dallas and Silicon Valley, United States.[7]

Besides not having anything to do with the topic your post is immature.

Size does not equate to quality, China's semiconductor industry is based off of production of cheap consumer goods such as phones, toys, ect. Tell me why is your semiconductor unable to meet Chinas’ requirements? What kind of fire and control radar does the Type 052C and Type 054A ships have--it's Russian what about anti-submarine helicopters? Where did those come from? What about the PL-12 seeker? It is also Russian. The list goes on...but tell me if the Russian semiconductor industry is so bad and the Chinese semiconductor industry is so superior why is it that Russian electronics mysteriously keep finding there way into Chinese weapons?