Russia: There are no negotiations and no signing of contracts with Pakistan

[wiseone2]

India never saw 4 obsolete Mi-35 as a security threat, so that is the reason the deal went forward.

I do not see why India should object to sales of helicopters, transport aircraft, armored vehicles and warships.

 

[Gregor Clegane]

I do not see why India should object to sales of helicopters, transport aircraft, armored vehicles and warships.

India will allow only the sale of Helos like Mi-17, Mi-35, APCs, patrol boats and transport planes other than small arms.

 

[Zee-shaun]

India never saw 4 obsolete Mi-35 as a security threat, so that is the reason the deal went forward.

Great excuse once your grapes go sour lol.
The Mi-35 deal is symbolic and of great importance since its the beginning of a nre era of Pak-Russian friendship.

BTW, Indian media and some posters here totally went overboard with the Mi-35 which you call obsolete. There were calls to boycott Russia at all.

 

[shah1398]

Umm the thread is giving impression that nothing is happening between Pakistan and Russia but does it mean that all RD-93s will go back, MI-35 deal is scrapped?

There are no negotiations, and especially the signing of contracts between" Rosoboronexport "and the Ministry of Defence, Pakistan is not planned"

Nonetheless yes with there are no negotiations or contracts signing thing going on because the things have not even reached that level. Ofcourse they are right.

India will allow only the sale of Helos like Mi-17, Mi-35, APCs, patrol boats and transport planes other than small arms.

So Russia has to seek permission from India on sales of equipment? On the contrary India did not have the heart to see single digit 8 F-16s go to Pakistan and U are saying U ll allow anything sold to Pakistan? Heck even U have issues with Russia conducting exercises with Pakistan and I have listen this now?

 

[wiseone2]

Umm the thread is giving impression that nothing is happening between Pakistan and Russia but does it mean that all RD-93s will go back, MI-35 deal is scrapped?



Nonetheless yes with there are no negotiations or contracts signing thing going on because the things have not even reached that level. Ofcourse they are right.



So Russia has to seek permission from India on sales of equipment? On the contrary India did not have the heart to see single digit 8 F-16s go to Pakistan and U are saying U ll allow anything sold to Pakistan? Heck even U have issues with Russia conducting exercises with Pakistan and I have listen this now?

There are plenty of options for attack helicopter. The Mi-35 is an old platform. I am sure there will be mandarins in Delhi who would not like anything delivered to Pakistan. If Pakistan has the money there are going to purchase some weapons.

Great excuse once your grapes go sour lol.
The Mi-35 deal is symbolic and of great importance since its the beginning of a nre era of Pak-Russian friendship.

BTW, Indian media and some posters here totally went overboard with the Mi-35 which you call obsolete. There were calls to boycott Russia at all.

India inducted the Mi-35 in the 1980s. It is 30 years old platform. It is still capable. When was the last time armed helicopters changed the course of conventional war. With 4 choppers you could not conduct an effective COIN campaign.

 

[Zee-shaun]

There are plenty of options for attack helicopter. The Mi-35 is an old platform. I am sure there will be mandarins in Delhi who would not like anything delivered to Pakistan. If Pakistan has the money there are going to purchase some weapons.


India inducted the Mi-35 in the 1980s. It is 30 years old platform. It is still capable. When was the last time armed helicopters changed the course of conventional war. With 4 choppers you could not conduct an effective COIN campaign.

Pakistan inducted the F-16 in the eightees, that too is a 30+ year old platform and you are now drooling all over it, desperate to make it in India.

 

[wiseone2]

Pakistan inducted the F-16 in the eightees, that too is a 30+ year old platform and you are now drooling all over it, desperate to make it in India.

The F-16 A/B inducted in the 1980s are outdated. USA has a upgrade package for those F-16s. Russians have nothing comparable on the Mi-35

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The F-16 A/B inducted in the 1980s are outdated. USA has a upgrade package for those F-16s. Russians have nothing comparable on the Mi-35

The Russians produced the M/E variant in 2006.

http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/en/helicopters/military/mi-35m.html

Which itself is a comprehensively upgraded variant.

 

[Zee-shaun]

The F-16 A/B inducted in the 1980s are outdated. USA has a upgrade package for those F-16s. Russians have nothing comparable on the Mi-35

The E variant is there and of course a lot of new goodies to add on.

See the hypocrisy we're dealing here. India touches a 30 year platform and it becomes gold while Pakistan is left with crap?

Damn you Indians are worse off than I thought.
Live on your own planet, Koi half nahi tumhara.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I do not see why India should object to sales of helicopters, transport aircraft, armored vehicles and warships.

Ironic how you did.


Rewind a few years and you will even find Indians boasting how Russia would never sell RD-93 engines to Pakistan!

The much touted Russian defence ministers statement about "we don't lick our own spit aka never selling anything to Pak"..


Than the same was said about Mi-35s.

Today Pak is holding joint naval,army,airforce and SF EXs with Russia..

They Russians are offering us their equipment and you are repeating the same shytty mantra.

 

[kasper95]

what happened did Russia give up its dream to access warm waters.lol.
is Russia not interested in the strategic location called Pakistan .
what happened to China-russia-Pakistan and forgot Turkey axis .
people who can comeup with such imagination's and they yet can't see simple facts on ground.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

what happened did Russia give up its dream to access warm waters.lol.
is Russia not interested in the strategic location called Pakistan .
what happened to China-russia-Pakistan and forgot Turkey axis .
people who can comeup with such imagination's and they yet can't see simple facts on ground.

They are already investing in Pakistan..

 

[kasper95]

They are already investing in Pakistan..

acha, very good that must be special for you guys. but in normal world thats normal .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

acha, very good that must be special for you guys. but in normal world thats normal .

Sure it is.. Wonder why it's making you shyt bricks though..

Your previous post gives quiet a view into your abnormal mentality.

 

[T-72M1]

Ironic how you did.


Rewind a few years and you will even find Indians boasting how Russia would never sell RD-93 engines to Pakistan!

The much touted Russian defence ministers statement about "we don't lick our own spit aka never selling anything to Pak"..


Than the same was said about Mi-35s.

Today Pak is holding joint naval,army,airforce and SF EXs with Russia..

They Russians are offering us their equipment and you are repeating the same shytty mantra.

trolling and jingoism aside, for the medium to long term, and for at least the lifespan of the flanker, and very likely the FGFA next in the Indian military, PAK will not get anything too significant from the Russians. I think the establishments in all three countries understand the current dynamics well enough.

btw, it is no matter of pride to have monopoly in a market and have leverage as a buyer, rather, it is shameful for India to be dependent on imported weapon systems for security. Self-sufficiency is the ultimate endgame behind all new acquisitions for India, as it stands, whoever genuinely helps us toward that goal stands to get very very rich.