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Saying that his country is "not violating any international law," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov today defended his country's sale of weapons to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime. He said Russia is not supplying anything that "can be used in battles with peaceful demonstrators."

And, Reuters reports, he "accused the United States of supplying rebels with weapons to fight against the government" — a charge the U.S. has rejected many times.

This all comes a day after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the U.S. has evidence that Russia is sending attack helicopters to Syria — an action she said will "escalate the conflict quite dramatically."

As The New York Times writes this morning, "with evidence that powerful new weapons are flowing to the Syrian government and to opposition fighters, the bloody uprising in Syria has thrust the Obama administration into an increasingly difficult position as the conflict shows signs of mutating into a full-fledged civil war."

Full-fledged civil war is just what U.N. Under-Secretary-General for Peacekeeping Operations Herve Ladsous thinks is happening in Syria, as we reported Tuesday.

The Times adds that opposition forces in Syria:


"Have recently received more powerful antitank missiles from Turkey, with the financial support of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, according to members of the Syrian National Council, the main opposition group in exile, and other activists.

"The United States, these activists said, was consulted about these weapons transfers. Officials in Washington said the United States did not take part in arms shipments to the rebels, though they recognized that Syria's neighbors would do so."

State Department spokesman Mark Toner has said many times, as recently as last week, that the U.S. does not support "further militarization of the situation in Syria" and has been supplying only "nonlethal assistance to the Syrian opposition — communications equipment, that sort of stuff."

Both are providing weapons to feed the unrest in Syria, really sad.

Russia Says It's The U.S. That's Sending Weapons To Syria : The Two-Way : NPR
 
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Russia Sending Missile Systems to Shield Syria

MOSCOW — Russia’s chief arms exporter said Friday that his company was shipping advanced defensive missile systems to Syria that could be used to shoot down airplanes or sink ships if the United States or other nations try to intervene to halt the country’s spiral of violence.

“I would like to say these mechanisms are really a good means of defense, a reliable defense against attacks from the air or sea,” Anatoly P. Isaykin, the general director of the company, Rosoboronexport, said Friday in an interview. “This is not a threat, but whoever is planning an attack should think about this.”

As the weapons systems are not considered cutting edge, Mr. Isaykin’s disclosures carried greater symbolic import than military significance. They contributed to a cold war chill that has been settling over relations between Washington and Moscow ahead a meeting between President Obama and President Vladimir V. Putin, their first, on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit meeting in the Mexican resort of Los Cabos next week.

Mr. Isaykin’s remarks come just days after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton raised diplomatic pressure on Russia, Syria’s patron, by criticizing the Kremlin for sending attack helicopters to Damascus, and amid reports that Moscow was preparing to send an amphibious landing vessel and a small company of marines to the Syrian port of Tartus, to provide security for military installations and infrastructure, if it becomes necessary.

George Little, a Defense Department spokesman, declined to comment on Mr. Isaykin’s remarks.

Aleksander Golts, an independent military analyst in Moscow, said the Russians’ discussion of defensive weapons shipments “undoubtedly” serves as a warning to Western countries contemplating an intervention.

“Russia uses these statements as a form of deterrence in Syria,” he said. “They show other countries that they are more likely to suffer losses.”

Throughout the Syrian crisis, Russia has insisted that all its arms sales to the isolated government of President Bashar al-Assad have been defensive in nature, and that the weapons were not being used in the Syrian leader’s violent campaign to suppress the opposition.

Mr. Isaykin underlined the point, but in a way that could also be interpreted as a warning to the West against undertaking military action of the sort that ousted Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from power in Libya. Mr. Putin viewed that action as a breach of sovereignty that he does not want repeated.

Yet, as news reports of government massacres emerge almost daily from Syria, the prospect of the United States or NATO acting unilaterally has become a more frequently discussed option, particularly given Russia’s adamant refusal to authorize more aggressive United Nations action.

Mr. Isaykin, a powerful figure in Russia’s military industry, openly discussed the weapons being shipped to Syria: the Pantsyr-S1, a radar-guided missile and artillery system capable of hitting warplanes at altitudes well above those typically flown during bombing sorties, and up to 12 miles away; Buk-M2 antiaircraft missiles, capable of striking airplanes at even higher altitudes, up to 82,000 feet, and at longer ranges; and land-based Bastion antiship missiles that can fire at targets 180 miles from the coast.

Military analysts immediately questioned the effectiveness of the air defenses Russia has made available to nations in the Middle East, including Syria, none of which have offered even token resistance to Western forces.

Ruslan Aliyev, an authority on military affairs at the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, said that statements by Mr. Isaykin and others were issued principally for political effect. Moscow has declined to supply Syria with its most lethal air defense, the S-300 long-range missile system.

“As far as I understand, Syria is not able to defend itself from NATO, just like it failed to defend its nuclear facility from Israel’s September 2007 airstrike,” Mr. Aliyev wrote in an e-mailed response to questions. “Russian armaments are unlikely to be significantly helpful, I’m afraid.”

Since Mrs. Clinton’s statement, both sides have sought to play down the helicopters’ significance, saying they were of marginal use militarily. A State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, said Thursday that the secretary of state was referring to three helicopters that were returned recently to Syria after being refurbished in Russia.

In the interview, Mr. Isaykin said that the contract to overhaul the helicopters was signed in 2008, was never secret and had been reported to international organizations. “It was an absolutely routine contract,” he said.

Syria has spent about $500 million annually in recent years on Russian weaponry, Mr. Isaykin said in the interview, an order book that amounts to about 5 percent of Rosoboronexport’s business.

For nearly a decade, Mr. Isaykin said, Rosoboronexport has had no Syrian orders for rifles, ammunition, ground-to-ground rockets, helicopters and their onboard weapons or armored vehicles — the basic tools of a conflict that is escalating into civil war.

The Middle East, he said, is “flooded” with Soviet-style small arms, often made in knockoff versions by the Chinese or Eastern Europeans, elbowing Russia out of this market.

The Russian arms trade business with Syria has depended in recent years on large and complex antiaircraft systems. They violate no United Nations sanctions, he said, and cannot be used against civilians in a domestic conflict.

“We just send them to Syria,” he said. “Ask the Syrians where they put them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/w...nd-sea-defenses-to-syria.html?_r=1&ref=europe
 
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov today defended his country's sale of weapons to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime. He said Russia is not supplying anything that "can be used in battles with peaceful demonstrators."

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...hats-sending-weapons-syria.html#ixzz1xvBlvhEU

makes sense

Everybody here can see the GCC, american and Turkish agenda. They all have something to gain from the removal assad. So they pump the terrorist rebels with arms and then cry over the death of civilians. Here's an idea: don't send them arms!!! The govt of every country has the right to fight terrorists and people that are harming national security. Innocent people are dying as collateral and the only reason they're dying is because the terrorists aren't putting down their guns.

If you don't want mortars to fall on houses, don't arm the rebels so much that they could be able to hold on to a position that can only be retaken after a bombing campaign. Makes perfect sense! Of course the govts that fund the terrorists don't give two shits about Syrian lives. If they did, they wouldn't support terrorists in the country.

you want the war to stop? Of course you don't. If that should happen, Assad will remain. So for now we will hear lines like "assad is killing people" while the very govts crying over their deaths are sending weapons to rebels lol
 
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makes sense

Everybody here can see the GCC, american and Turkish agenda. They all have something to gain from the removal assad. So they pump the terrorist rebels with arms and then cry over the death of civilians. Here's an idea: don't send them arms!!! The govt of every country has the right to fight terrorists and people that are harming national security. Innocent people are dying as collateral and the only reason they're dying is because the terrorists aren't putting down their guns.

If you don't want mortars to fall on houses, don't arm the rebels so much that they could be able to hold on to a position that can only be retaken after a bombing campaign. Makes perfect sense! Of course the govts that fund the terrorists don't give two shits about Syrian lives. If they did, they would support terrorists in the country.

you want the war to stop? Of course you don't. If that should happen, Assad will remain. So for now we will hear lines like "assad is killing people" while the very govts crying over their deaths are sending weapons to rebels lol


You are apologizing for that animal named Bashar Al Assad. there is no justification for the Alawites to rule ove Sunni people. Just as I oppose the Bahraini royal family ruling over the Shias there.
 
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You are apologizing for that animal named Bashar Al Assad. there is no justification for the Alawites to rule ove Sunni people. Just as I oppose the Bahraini royal family ruling over the Shias there.
But there is "justification" for the arming of terrorist rebels or interfering in the affairs of an independent nation? Or maybe there is justification in the deaths of innocent people who are dying because of a civil war being pushed on by the govts of GCC and the West?

I love your arguement and sense of justice lol

IT'S VERYYY SIMPLE. A war cannot be fought with one party. You need two people to tango and if you don't want innocents to die, don't support armed rebels.
 
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Personaly I doubt that we are arming the rebels, when the soldiers defect, they bring what they have. Forcing concessions from Assad may bring the US some leverage, replacing him with nut-case fundamentalist helps no one.
 
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Personaly I doubt that we are arming the rebels, when the soldiers defect, they bring what they have. Forcing concessions from Assad may bring the US some leverage, replacing him with nut-case fundamentalist helps no one.
yeah the US, the country that has supported rebels from Nicaragua to Afghanistan and everything in between is not supporting these rebels. Heck, unlike before, the US is very open about it this time. That's your right though. You have your objectives. But don't cry crocodile tears over civilians who are getting stuck between different sides in this war.
 
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@Abii;

What the hell are you talking about? The baby killer Bashar al-Assad had started killing his own people before the rebels got armed. Do you have any idea how many cities and villages bombed and innocent people died? In order to continue his regime, he is killing innocent people like his father Hafez al-Assad (inshallah he goes the darkest and deepest side of the hell). Did you ask yourself although Nusayris population in Syria is 10% but they rule the country? And more importantly, you label the rebels against the baby killer Bashar Al-Assad as "terrorist". If you are ruled by 10% minorities and ask for the justice and seek your right, then you are shot and killed, and then you responded; as a result, you are labelled as "terrorist". Have you ever thought that these people you labelled as "terrorist" just asked for justice like in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc., and Assad responded by killing them?
 
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But there is "justification" for the arming of terrorist rebels or interfering in the affairs of an independent nation? Or maybe there is justification in the deaths of innocent people who are dying because of a civil war being pushed on by the govts of GCC and the West?

I love your arguement and sense of justice lol

IT'S VERYYY SIMPLE. A war cannot be fought with one party. You need two people to tango and if you don't want innocents to die, don't support armed rebels.



Abii, how would you feel if the Iranian kurds or Baluchis were the rulers through the use of force ?

It is always wrong for a minority to rule the majority through use of force. That is the issue here.

For decades Saddam Hussain ruled Iraqi Shias through use of force and your country went to war with him.

Let us not have double standards.
 
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Abii, how would you feel if the Iranian kurds or Baluchis were the rulers through the use of force ?

It is always wrong for a minority to rule the majority through use of force. That is the issue here.

For decades Saddam Hussain ruled Iraqi Shias through use of force and your country went to war with him.

Let us not have double standards.

Yaar comment on this thread I know we agree on a lot but tell me what you think


http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...hina-mull-syria-saudi-arabia.html#post3061600
 
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