Russia not in favor of bringing up Kashmir at UN

[The Eagle]

If I am not mistaken, Pakistan believes Shimla and Lahore are dead. Pakistan also believes it is an issue requiring international mediation, which is what IK spent his time at Davos asking for.

The Pakistani Gov's own actions indicate that it does not view Kashmir as bilateral.

did you try to find out what I said in regard to India's previous stance to agreeing with Russia's Ambassador? You can try to judge Pakistan's stance as much as you like to but change in behaviour of India is far more surprising and comes with reason that apparently, you aren't trying to talk about. Mediation is always required to avoid any conflict which may cost a lot of human lives beside economy. The world does acknowledge our diplomatic efforts and so can see blockade of Indian Occupied Kashmir. Just that material/economic gains are prioritized; there are less to speak openly about Indian Violations. It was actually India that killed all the agreements while we have been reminding the same. It was India that claimed as Indian Occupied Kashmir is like her internal issue which is not as per Pakistan and slowly the acknowledgment even from Russian Ambassador in India.

 

[GumNaam]

Pakistanis think losing 2/3 of Kashmir is a victory. Says a lot about their military history.



As I said before, deaths due to terrorism were a record low in 2019, despite being skewed by Pulwama. As for Pulwama, we got the culprit internationally blacklisted by the UNSC.

https://satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/india

Oh, and we also killed hundreds of millitants last year. Does that count as a surgical strike?

I would worry more about Pakistan's terrorism problem, because going by Pakistan's own government statistics on security forces killed due to militancy, more Pakistani soldiers died than Indians.


If I am not mistaken, Pakistan believes Shimla and Lahore are dead. Pakistan also believes it is an issue requiring international mediation, which is what IK spent his time at Davos asking for.

The Pakistani Gov's own actions indicate that it does not view Kashmir as bilateral.

A government not reporting casualties hardly means they aren't suffering. like how the americans lied about their casualties in Afghanistan for 28v years only to turn around and admit that their screwed.

Think twice or read the truth from International sources not a Pakistani, correctly.

Pakistan army and other called mujahideen even reached to near Kashmir. Indian army was not there in Kashmir.

Once agreement signed, then Indian army entered to Kashmir and now see who was able to get control. India was controlling 70% of Kashmir land and Pakistan only around 30. (India lost some part Kashmir in 1962 to China but not in 1948).

Now you have to decide, who lost the war?

playing the tomato tomaato potato potaato game again to hide your humiliation again aye? india's real defeat was not only that she lost AJK, but also she miserably failed to get it back in spite of being 6 times the force. but lemme guess, they've been feeding you three manjan that she never wanted to get it back riiiiiiiight?

 

[Dalit]

LOL when everything fails, why do Indians always run off to saviour Russia?

I was reading some tweets today by Indians after the whole FATF fiasco. LOL India should team up with Russia and dump both China and the US. That is Indians for you.

India has been playing all sides. The Russians, the Americans and the Chinese. India is not a reliable partner with a clear stance. The Indians dumped the Russians as soon as US defence deals were being struck. India went as far as mocking and dumping Su-57 joint venture. Russian memories aren't short-term.

Anyone who believes that the Russians have forgotten such backstabbing lives in a fools paradise. India is unreliable and the Russians also know this.

One Russian ambassador making some irrelevant statement is not Russian policy. Remember that Russia fully supports the Afghan Taliban peace talks that India totally rejects. There is no such thing as complete Russian support for India. Lip service is there from some figures to appease India from time to time. India is at best a cash cow and everyone wants a piece. That is it. After FATF fiasco Indians should get off the high horse. Every country has its independent foreign policy. India can never force nations to follow their dictation on how to deal with Pakistan. Never.

 

[GumNaam]

LOL when everything fails, why do Indians always run off to saviour Russia?

I was reading some tweets today by Indians after the whole FATF fiasco. LOL India should team up with Russia and dump both China and the US. That is Indians for you.

India has been playing all sides. The Russians, the Americans and the Chinese. India is not a reliable partner with a clear stance. The Indians dumped the Russians as soon as US defence deals were being struck. India went as far as mocking and dumping Su-57 joint venture. Russian memories aren't short-term.

Anyone who believes that the Russians have forgotten such backstabbing lives in a fools paradise. India is unreliable and the Russians also know this.

One Russian ambassador making some irrelevant statement is not Russian policy. Remember that Russia fully supports the Afghan Taliban peace talks that India totally rejects. There is no such thing as complete Russian support for India. Lip service is there from some figures to appease India from time to time. India is at best a cash cow and everyone wants a piece. That is it. After FATF fiasco Indians should get off the high horse. Every country has its independent foreign policy. India can never force nations to follow their dictation on how to deal with Pakistan. Never.

india sometimes runs to russia and sometimes runs to america and sometimes bends over in front of China...end result? all three end up using her and ditching her!

 

[Slav Defence]

Russian Ambassador said that it is a bilateral issue similarly to what Pakistan being saying, contrary to the Indian claims that IoK is India's so-called internal issue. Read between the lines.

I am thinking to ban news with Indian reference on PDF.I am so sick of their yellow journalism.
In case of anyone remembers:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...d-conversion-of-500-hindus-into-islam.554566/
Regards

 

[The Eagle]

I am thinking to ban news with Indian reference on PDF.I am so sick of their yellow journalism.

Regards

Unfortunately, the whole country is plagued with propaganda news while very few that challenges their lies aka Modi's propaganda are then labeled ISI agents. Furthermore, we could have done so as you are rightly saying being sick of such low grade journalism; but will not help to expose them and their propaganda machines. I just went through a thread with title that some Indian experts (yeah laughingly they are quoted as experts) believe that Pakistan's Ghaznavi missile test was a weak response to India's K4 SLBM test.... really? I mean I was like what on earth will make anyone to think like that but when I see an Indian Source my response was like Ok... that can happen.

The feelings are mutual in regard to Indian Sources as such....though, I believe that we expose them only the way they are presented here. No doubt most of those sources & quotes are for public consumption making their populace to remain calm. That is the issue with almost every credibility to Modi but they have already proven to be the fake news factory and quoted as such in past. The irony is, we can't differentiate or evaluate the quality journalism among all of their sources at all... none of them can be judged or treated because the very moment they are posting a News, the next will be like a shocker of lies & propaganda with so much of twists that will make you feel headache.

As long as these news are shared, I really hope that few of members can read carefully and understand as what is being said. We can somehow help to filter the facts as compare to propaganda by this way.

Your thoughts?

 

[Slav Defence]

Unfortunately, the whole country is plagued with propaganda news while very few that challenges their lies aka Modi's propaganda are then labeled ISI agents. Furthermore, we could have done so as you are rightly saying being sick of such low grade journalism; but will not help to expose them and their propaganda machines. I just went through a thread with title that some Indian experts (yeah laughingly they are quoted as experts) believe that Pakistan's Ghaznavi missile test was a weak response to India's K4 SLBM test.... really? I mean I was like what on earth will make anyone to think like that but when I see an Indian Source my response was like Ok... that can happen.

The feelings are mutual in regard to Indian Sources as such....though, I believe that we expose them only the way they are presented here. No doubt most of those sources & quotes are for public consumption making their populace to remain calm. That is the issue with almost every credibility to Modi but they have already proven to be the fake news factory and quoted as such in past. The irony is, we can't differentiate or evaluate the quality journalism among all of their sources at all... none of them can be judged or treated because the very moment they are posting a News, the next will be like a shocker of lies & propaganda with so much of twists that will make you feel headache.

As long as these news are shared, I really hope that few of members can read carefully and understand as what is being said. We can somehow help to filter the facts as compare to propaganda by this way.

Your thoughts?

I agree with you. The problem with Indian media is that they think by chest thumping and spewing nonsense will be able to gain popularity and in the end, money.
On serious note, orientation of some Indian news sources is highly negative and quality is very low. Indian journalism seems independent but what I see in them is shackles of so called sugar coated nationalism but originally a bussiness of hate and propaganda. They believe that the world is foolish and their hateful style of news reporting and yellow journalism- meaning ridiculous analysis and absurd claims will go unnoticed.
Worse outcome is that they are running shady bussiness under so called journalism such as political goals, cheap rating and little popularity. They are injecting hate and extremism and misguiding their generations.If they will not mend their ways then loss will be inevitable anyway.
I think that we should ban unreliable Indian sources atleast.
Regards

 

[El Sidd]

I am thinking to ban news with Indian reference on PDF.I am so sick of their yellow journalism.
In case of anyone remembers:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...d-conversion-of-500-hindus-into-islam.554566/
Regards

Go back to the basics. It is recommended that if one is brought any news, it should be confirmed or reaffirmed by atleast 2 independent sources to qualify as 'news'.

Most of the news engineered in India start off as some internet rumor and end up in ' first one to break the news ' or the race to get the most spicy news.

News from India unless substantiated from independent media should not be shared on the forum.

 

[Slav Defence]

Go back to the basics. It is recommended that if one is brought any news, it should be confirmed or reaffirmed by atleast 2 independent sources to qualify as 'news'.

Most of the news engineered in India start off as some internet rumor and end up in ' first one to break the news ' or the race to get the most spicy news.

News from India unless substantiated from independent media should not be shared on the forum.

Right on! I am thinking same for other countries as well. We need to get feed back from neutral sources as such news cause nothing but useless argument.
I want people to have constructive discussion not fight or chest thumping.I am looking for people who understand the responsibility and is willing to help each other out.
Regards

 

[El Sidd]

Right on! I am thinking same for other countries as well. We need to get feed back from neutr sources as such news cause nothing but useless argument.
I want people to have constructive discussion not fight or chest thumping.I am looking for people who understand the responsibility and is willing to help each other out.
Regards

The issue with 'neutral' resources is that media is such a well oiled machine it is not unlikely that once a news is engineered, the market economics of it makes it harder for other outlets to just pick up on the news and run with the story.

 

[waz]

actually ,
NOT only RUSSIA but FRANCE ,USA and UK support india for UNSC permanent members,
BUT ironbrother china cant see INDIA growing .

Congratulations on your seat, oh wait a minute...It’s just all hot air.

 

[jaibi]

I'd like to not censor anyone but instead let them post and let their biased opinions be exposed. Let's set up a small team to check them and make the analysis a part of the original post or make it a sticky so our members and the internet can discern the truth

Our analysis can show neutral readers the truth too. Many people don't make accounts but see our threads. Perhaps even our Indian members.

 

[The Eagle]

I agree with you. The problem with Indian media is that they think by chest thumping and spewing nonsense will be able to gain popularity and in the end, money.
On serious note, orientation of some Indian news sources is highly negative and quality is very low. Indian journalism seems independent but what I see in them is shackles of so called sugar coated nationalism but originally a bussiness of hate and propaganda. They believe that the world is foolish and their hateful style of news reporting and yellow journalism- meaning ridiculous analysis and absurd claims will go unnoticed.
Worse outcome is that they are running shady bussiness under so called journalism such as political goals, cheap rating and little popularity. They are injecting hate and extremism and misguiding their generations.If they will not mend their ways then loss will be inevitable anyway.
I think that we should ban unreliable Indian sources atleast.
Regards

Spot on. We can start with verifying the content through other sources as well. Such yellow journalism shouldn't be given a free hand like this. There has to be the process or at-least we can take down the content which is merely for Indian Consumption & based upon propaganda for rating/money. Non-credible & unreliable sources taken down as & when being shared. I agree on that as the same will really help to maintain Forum not just off the trolling but also, the quality. We can also analyse the content ever shared as such that falls under propaganda or by twisting the facts and then either to let it run or be locked. However, a closing note with facts & reality can also work in this regard. Why I did say about not to fully ban them as just because, we need to counter propaganda & share reality as well even if it takes a closing post. They can inject as much as they want but will keep shooting them down as & when detected. You will find it interesting that now almost every source outside India is not crediting them at all nor take them as reliable. Indian Media Sources are nor famous for twisting, lies & propaganda churning journalism.

I want people to have constructive discussion not fight or chest thumping.

We cannot blame people sometimes as the whole system is being hijacked on anti Pakistan hatred. For them be it election, national progress or diplomacy; Pakistan is the only reason. The hatred is inject deep down Just for an over look, "It will be India vs Pakistan on February 8": BJP leader Kapil Mishra on Delhi Assembly Elections.

Furthermore..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1220813524454100995

 

[suyog chavan]

Congratulations on your seat, oh wait a minute...It’s just all hot air.

yeah thanks , ohh wait i can't see your nation anywhere in the scene , maybe they be seated on ground .

 

[waz]

yeah thanks , ohh wait i can't see your nation anywhere in the scene , maybe they be seated on ground .

What the hell are you going on about, at least make sense with your shabby English haha.