Russia has offered to jointly produce the 100-seater Sukhoi Superjet airliner in India.

[Indos]

The offer is a bit late, Indian Airlines are just signing 500 planes order from Airbus and Boeing

 

[Paji]

Firstly, the Sukhoi Superjet has a very poor reputation for safety and reliability and even airlines in Russia and her client states only fly it as a last resort.

Secondly, India is already in a deep hole because of her dependence on Russian equipment. If the Putin regime survives the Ukraine war, it will only do as a subsidiary power to China and will not have the independent agency it used to have in international relations prior to the war. Unless India also wants to become a junior partner to China, she should be trying to wean herself off the dependence on Russia for military supplies instead of digging a deeper hole.

Tactical and opportunistic purchases of cheap Russian crude are fine, but any strategic partnerships with Russia under the current regime mean getting deeper into the Chinese sphere of influence.

 

[etylo]

Firstly, the Sukhoi Superjet has a very poor reputation for safety and reliability and even airlines in Russia and her client states only fly it as a last resort.

Secondly, India is already in a deep hole because of her dependence on Russian equipment. If the Putin regime survives the Ukraine war, it will only do as a subsidiary power to China and will not have the independent agency it used to have in international relations prior to the war. Unless India also wants to become a junior partner to China, she should be trying to wean herself off the dependence on Russia for military supplies instead of digging a deeper hole.

Tactical and opportunistic purchases of cheap Russian crude are fine, but any strategic partnerships with Russia under the current regime mean getting deeper into the Chinese sphere of influence.

Dont worry, Chinese never expect that Indians will one day in Chinese sphere of influence.

 

[Faceless]

It's a very interesting geopolitical scenario currently and in the near future. The west especially US has noted that it needs to do more and proactively "help" India unlike during the soviet era when India was pretty much pro USSR. They have been doing that by selling us crucial American stuff like Apache, Chinook, transport carriers, p8i, MQ9 reaper, partnering with us more on tech like engines and being participants in Indian fighter jet programs with TOT in consideration further down the line. (also possible TOT of Stryker)
The partnership is progressing in both domestic and military complex.
Now Russia is in a fix it doesn't want to lose a massive market as India, remember that India is the biggest market for Russian military complex and other domestic stuff too. India singlehandedly saved Russia's Uralvanganzavod from bankruptcy by placing a massive order for T90S tanks. Sukhoi too got out of financial difficulties when India placed a massive order of SU30MKI and it's maintenance deal with them.
Another thing is Russia can't finance the R and D aspect and mass produce these weapons, they need India's funding and co develop stuff so it can be easily inducted in Russian forces.
See Brahmos co-development project, submarine projects etc.
Russia knows India is an important partner and they are in a fix after Ukranian war both financially and geopolitically. They'll make further such offers with TOT. India should take decisions in it's best interests. Taking up Russian offers is a double edged sword so it must be taken after a lot of deliberation, plus point is it saves us a lot R and D money to research stuff by trial and error (t14 armata for example, India's current tank fleet is sub par at best and our domestic variant wasn't that good)
US wants to budge us from Russia's sphere of influence and Russia wants to keep us as a important partner, both sides will make compelling offers in the near future. This is possible due to the Indian policy of neutrality and "3rd world geopolitics" which has different meaning than what one would likely think.

the only way forward for any russian big ticket project in india is co devlopment and a profit sharing agreement with a majority indian stake, something along the lines of BRAMHOS, these russians have profited off of indian interests for far too long , its about time we level the playing field.
If they want us to fund the development of su75 we will but in return give us a 50% profit share in every su75 sold,
Gone are those days when india used to be a junior partner of russia, in today's world we are equals and if they want to do business with us, they will have to treat us as such, because today we have the capability to meet our defence requirements locally or buy much superior western weapons so if russia wants to offer us anything it will have to do so on our terms and conditions

 

[LakeHawk180]

I think it’s too late now.

 

[Sam6536]

the only way forward for any russian big ticket project in india is co devlopment and a profit sharing agreement with a majority indian stake, something along the lines of BRAMHOS, these russians have profited off of indian interests for far too long , its about time we level the playing field.
If they want us to fund the development of su75 we will but in return give us a 50% profit share in every su75 sold,
Gone are those days when india used to be a junior partner of russia, in today's world we are equals and if they want to do business with us, they will have to treat us as such,

True India won't accept something if it's not it her best interests as she the ability to procure stuff from the west or manufacture stuff locally now.

The offer is a bit late, Indian Airlines are just signing 500 planes order from Airbus and Boeing

India will still need thousands of such aircraft in the near future to satisfy her domestic and international needs.

Firstly, the Sukhoi Superjet has a very poor reputation for safety and reliability and even airlines in Russia and her client states only fly it as a last resort.

Secondly, India is already in a deep hole because of her dependence on Russian equipment. If the Putin regime survives the Ukraine war, it will only do as a subsidiary power to China and will not have the independent agency it used to have in international relations prior to the war. Unless India also wants to become a junior partner to China, she should be trying to wean herself off the dependence on Russia for military supplies instead of digging a deeper hole.

Tactical and opportunistic purchases of cheap Russian crude are fine, but any strategic partnerships with Russia under the current regime mean getting deeper into the Chinese sphere of influence.

It's a conflict of interests
Russia needs India to counterbalance it's reliance on China. China and Russia are in a relationship of interests due to the geopolitical circumstances both don't fully trust each other.

 

[Indos]

The offer is a bit late, Indian Airlines are just signing 500 planes order from Airbus and Boeing

Another 500 planes, total around 1000 new planes from Airbus and Boeing ordered by Indian Airlines

IndiGo ‘keen’ to fly further in Europe; Awaits 500 on-order planes

The deal to acquire 500 aircraft was made with Airbus which will allow the airline to fly to around 27 destinations in the continent.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Paji]

Dont worry, Chinese never expect that Indians will one day in Chinese sphere of influence.

I know that and also that accepting Chinese overlordship is the last thing India will do. I was only emphasizing the point for rhetorical effect. There are still some people in India who believe that Russia is an altruistic benefactor and all-weather friend to India. They don't realize that all countries act in self -interest and that the Ukraine war has shown that, except for her stockpile of nuclear power and energy production, Russia is a very weak country now. China is already replacing Russia as the dominant power in the former Soviet republics.

Russia needs India to counterbalance it's reliance on China. China and Russia are in a relationship of interests due to the geopolitical circumstances both don't fully trust each other.

For Russia, China is both geographically much closer and also economically, militarily and technologically stronger than India. While Russia may prefer India as a strategic partner over China, there is no way that India can offer a similar sized market for Russian gas or compete as a source of cheap consumer goods and technology against China. Importantly, both are seen as threats by the US and the West whereas India is seen as an ally. Therefore, the pariah Putin regime would be far more dependent on China than on India. Today's Russia is not the Soviet Union of old. Cut off from the West, it would be heavily dependent on China just to survive.

All this assumes that Putin continues to stay in power in Russia. If he is toppled and a new regime acceptable to the West emerges, that would completely change the calculus.

In any cases, for India to put any more eggs into the Russian basket, especially for technologically inferior products, is a huge risk at this time.

 

[karmaa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626156382209855488

transfer the technology and production in india that is the term .

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Another 500 planes, total around 1000 new planes from Airbus and Boeing ordered by Indian Airlines

IndiGo ‘keen’ to fly further in Europe; Awaits 500 on-order planes

The deal to acquire 500 aircraft was made with Airbus which will allow the airline to fly to around 27 destinations in the continent.

www.hindustantimes.com

How can USA apply CAASTA on India for purchasing arms from Russia?

Purchasing power of india play important role on such decisions, USA will do everything to give exemption from left to right.

 

[Paji]

How can USA apply CAASTA on India for purchasing arms from Russia?

The more fundamental question is whether India wants to continue to stay dependent on Russia for weapons after the Ukraine war has severely disrupted the supply chain of the Russian arms industry. Russia itself is being forced to buy equipment and ammunition from Iran and North Korea. If the sanctions continue, its industrial capacity will further decline. Even before the war, Russian equipment, with a few exceptions, was generally inferior to Western products and had a poor reputation for reliability. The situation is only going to worsen.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

The more fundamental question is whether India wants to continue to stay dependent on Russia for weapons after the Ukraine war has severely disrupted the supply chain of the Russian arms industry. Russia itself is being forced to buy equipment and ammunition from Iran and North Korea. If the sanctions continue, its industrial capacity will further decline. Even before the war, Russian equipment, with a few exceptions, was generally inferior to Western products and had a poor reputation for reliability. The situation is only going to worsen.

No, not really. Still Russia is having many things to offer that no one will do it.

Why was Rafale deal cancelled for 100+?
Due to they were not offering for key technology transfer. Nuclear submarine to key missiles and other many..

 

[IblinI]

China is already replacing Russia as the dominant power in the former Soviet republics.

Given the scale of military challenge Soviet poses to USA, we are far from it, at least a decade away, but this time it's more complex for US.

 

[Paji]

No, not really. Still Russia is having many things to offer that no one will do it.

Why was Rafale deal cancelled for 100+?
Due to they were not offering for key technology transfer. Nuclear submarine to key missiles and other many..

In which case has Russia done a full technology transfer? Even for the T-90 tanks where Indian paid over 1 billion in the name of technology transfer, India is still dependent on Russia for critical components like engines and for maintenance.

The same is true for military aircraft. Su 30MKI is produced by HAL but most of the critical components have to be imported. The domestic production is just a talking point, it does not provide any cutting edge technology to India. In fact , even for the indigenous Tejas, many critical components are still imported.

Given the scale of military challenge Soviet poses to USA, we are far from it, at least a decade away, but this time it's more complex for US.

Well, I was talking more in terms of economic power. China may not yet have a stronger military than Russia, but it dwarfs the Russian economy, and, ultimately, that matters far more for geopolitical influence.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

In which case has Russia done a full technology transfer? Even for the T-90 tanks where Indian paid over 1 billion in the name of technology transfer, India is still dependent on Russia for critical components like engines and for maintenance.

The same is true for military aircraft. Su 30MKI is produced by HAL but most of the critical components have to be imported. The domestic production is just a talking point, it does not provide any cutting edge technology to India. In fact , even for the indigenous Tejas, many critical components are still imported.

These are the many news you can find here and there. But there are many technologies shared by Russia under the table which no one can.

Just an example - indian made the nuclear submarine, have you ever thought, how?

We can not make a disel submarine but able to build, nuclear. Isn't surprising for you?.... There are many more which are not available at public knowledge