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Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

Hassan Guy said:
The percieved Indian closeness to the USA has mad Russia unhappy and this is reflected in its attitude as well as the 5th generation fighter deal

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#india and #Russia had decided to invest $ 25 billion in a new #5Th Generation interceptor. The deal which involved the transfer of technology was to be signed in 2016. The deal till date is not signed and it appears, the Russians are not very keen to conclude the deal now. They are also not giving the codes for the various military software imports from Russia. The Russians are peeved that India is abandoning them and moving closer to the US, which the Russians consider their opponent. This cold-shouldering of India is something new as India and Russia for decades had a close relationship. The Russians are also cultivating Pakistan, which they had never done before.

Earlier close relationship
India has been allied with Russia since the fifties when the left-leaning defence minister Krishna Menon took India into the Soviet orbit. In 1970 India also signed a mutual defence and security pact. This came in handy when India invaded East Pakistan in 1971 as the Soviets backed India. Their submarine fleet also tacked along the 7th fleet as it sailed to the Bay of Bengal. India remained a close friend of Russia but things are changing now. The Russians are wary of India as India moves closer to the US.

The close military relationship with Russia lasted almost 50 years. The Russians supplied India with all their military hardware including Transport planes, tanks, field guns, aircraft, and missiles. The MIG and the Sukhoi were mainstays of the IAF. Things began to change in the 21st century as the US also decided that India could be the strategic partner to counter China. The Obama years saw India and US move closer as India went in for US military equipment.

Donald and Modi
Donald Trump has now rung up and congratulated the Indian PM Modi on his victory in the recent state elections. He has also invited Modi to visit the US towards the end of this year. Modi was among the first leaders Donald spoke after becoming president. This is not to the liking of Russia. Though India would like to do a balancing act and also remain friends with Russia, it is not possible. Modi will have to decide between Russia and America.

Future
It will be interesting to see how the US accommodates India in the future. The US also backs Pakistan to a certain extent and this is not to India's liking. Possibly Modi will try and keep relations friendly with Russia, but America is now the preferred partner.

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This article is complete BS, as it is written. It's not Russia not wanting to make the deal with India, but the other way round. Russia has been too eager for India to sign the deal for several years now. However, India didn't regard Russia's 5th Gen aircraft (PAKFA) as good enough and wanted a major redesign that would result in FGFA. Russia has been dragging its feet on spending more money into additional design effort (they seem happy with their PAKFA, and still wanting India to pay half the price for the development effort of PAKFA), while India dug in its heel.
India's offer is that the new aircraft (FGFA) will be co-developed and each country will have full access to the other's work. Unfortunately, Russia is too used to taking India's money and not giving much in return. As such the deal is falling apart. India recently broke off the deal to co-develop MTA (transport aircraft), as Russia wanted to use some age old engines but India wanted a state-of-the-art engine!!
The deal that India is eager and Russia is dithering on is the S-400 air defense deal. Russia is trying to use that as leverage to force India to accept PAKFA!!
 
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Kinetic said:
Whatever @Hassan Guy . The problem for you guy is many places, S-400 alone is such a system can destroy entire PAF two times without even single MKI or Tejas flying. Americans fear this system for something.
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Vertiti Scrutator said:
This article is complete BS, as it is written. Its not Russia not wanting to make the deal with India, but the other way round. Russia has been too eager for India to sign the deal for several years now. However, India didn't regard Russia's 5th Gen aircraft (PAKFA) as good enough and wanted a major redesign that would result in FGFA. Russia has been dragging its feet on spending more money into additional design effort (they seem happy with their PAKFA, and still wanting India to pay half the price for the development effort of PAKFA), while India dug in its heel.
India's offer is that the new aircraft (FGFA) will be co-developed and each country will have full access to the other's work. Unfortunately, Russia is too used to taking India's money and not giving much in return. As such the deal is falling apart. India recently broke off the deal to co-develop MTA (transport aircraft), as Russia wanted to use some age old engines but India wanted a state-of-the-art engine!!
The deal that India is eager and Russia is dithering on is the S-400 air defense deal. Russia is trying to use that as leverage to force India to accept PAKFA!!
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PAKFA is still not good enough for India? :o:....LOL, how many nation will have the luxury to get 5th gen. fighter?.
 
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We have told the Pakistanis over and over again the indians do not rate.the pak fa as a adequate fifth generation fighter.this is why the indians will not sign the fgfa until India gets technology transfer and the.improvements they desire

And no a military with a gdp twice the size of Russia will not collapse

To hassan

If Russia dithers on s400 India will go to Israel for arrow joint development. If Russia dithers on fgfa then India will order more rafale and get Lockheed Martin to help India Develope amca

If Russia dithers on subs India buy french barracuda class or Japanese sorya class. Subs in stead

Money talks hassan

And India has the money and the allies be it Israel Usa Japan or France

Now if India the biggest arms importer walks away who Russia going to replace India with.

Answer no one

Lose India you lose billions dollars and credibility that india brings to weapons like su30mki and t90 etc
 
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Kiss_of_the_Dragon said:
PAKFA is still not good enough for India? :o:....LOL, how many nation will have the luxury to get 5th gen. fighter?.
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India thinks it's not good. The engines don't allow super-cruise; stealth is not perfect (as they just touched up an old airframe without creating a stealth airframe from bottom-up). India doesn't feel its worth the money!!
 
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el nino said:
We have told the Pakistanis over and over again the indians do not rate.the pak fa as a adequate fifth generation fighter.this is why the indians will not sign the fgfa until India gets technology transfer and the.improvements they desire

And no a military with a gdp twice the size of Russia will not collapse

To hassan

If Russia dithers on s400 India will go to Israel for arrow joint development. If Russia dithers on fgfa then India will order more rafale and get Lockheed Martin to help India Debelow amca

If Russia dithers on subs India buts french barracuda class or Japanese sorya class.

Money talks hassan

And India has the money and the allies be it Israel Usa Japan or France
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Are you serious? :rofl:, India told Russia that their FAK/FA design is not good, ask for TOT then India will make improvement they want:rofl:.
 
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Vertiti Scrutator said:
India thinks it's not good. The engines don't allow super-cruise; stealth is not perfect (as they just touched up an old airframe without creating a stealth airframe from bottom-up). India doesn't feel its worth the money!!
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Well I think India has just exposed Russia's weakness and handicap of FAK/FA to everyone :p:. But don't you think that FAK/FA is good enough to counter J-20? it seems like India is ambitious with it FGFA.
 
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