Russia gets Venezuela base. Tu-160 puts American mainland under threat.

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

you are assuming they can get off a shot without getting blown out of the sky
it is not hard to shadow a couple of aircraft

Try stop Kh-101. It's extremely stealthy. Texas oil refinery is Russia's first target if Trump declares emperor.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kh-101-stealthy-alcm-steathier-than-any-fighter-jet-obviously.591318/

Actually, don't even bother fighting if Texas oil refinery goes. American economy would collapse within hours.

whether it is russia's fault or not it leaves russia at a disadvantage

True. They hate Russia. They love Russia. That's up to them. They are jealous of Russia. Russia mainland is 7500+ km coast to coast, biggest in the world. The biggest boy on the block always gets the hate from the small guys.

 

[jhungary]

It will force US to deploy or dilute forces to another front. Not a bad move after all..

First of all, you already have to dilute the force if you are the defence, because you do not just defend one side of your country, you need to defend all side. So In effect, that does nothing, because US would already have to deploy Fighter Squadron regardless whether or not Russia deploy their bomber in Venezuela, also, US have more (A LOT MORE) fighter than Russian have Tu-160 bomber, which mean US can take the dilution, Russia cannot

Second of all, the route taken from Venezuela would have to pass thru Columbia, Mexico before entering US air space via Texas, and Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico (US territories) if they want to go to Florida, which would increase chances of these bomber being seen (especially from Puerto Rico side of the region, as they are US territories and have US based system on it) on the other hand, Russian bomber flew from Kamchatka would have flew DIRECTLY to US, which mean less chances they are spotted, because between Kamchatka and Alaska or Washington, there are nothing but water.

Russia air force bombers these days don't carry bombs. They only carry ALCM. Kh-101 range 4500 km. Can hit Texas oil refinery without bomber leaving Venezuela airspace.

How? KH-101 have a reported range of 4500-5000km, Texas and Venezuela, if we draw a straight line, it would be 4500 mile (nearly 7000km away), and if we go from the base that supposed to base the Russian Bomber, it's 5200 miles which is over 8000km.

Also, you did not answer my question. Because whatever you can do in Venezuela, you ALREADY have that capability to do them in Russia, unless you claim Russian bomber flew from Kamchatka are some how restricted to not carry Kh-101. Which mean whatever you said the Russian can do from Venezuela ALRREAD CAN BE DONE via Kamchatka, because it is CLOSER to the US Mainland. They can literally lift off from Kamchatka and shoot their missile and reach Alaska or go a bit further and shoot their missile.

So my question still stand, this is a duplicate move and Russia already have a better place to launch bomber strike from mainland, thus making this "Move" redundant.

Then let alone missile can be intercepted and usually did not do much damage anyway to begin with.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Second of all, the route taken from Venezuela would have to pass thru Columbia, Mexico before entering US air space

Kh-101 has range 4500 km. Distance from Caracas to Houston is less than 4000 km. All Tu-160 has to do is take off, launch the missiles, and flee to Argentina at Mach 2 speed. The base will get bombed to smithereens but the Houston oil refinery will be out of commission, giving America rebels the time to regroup and fight back against Trump if Trump declares emperor.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kh-101-stealthy-alcm-steathier-than-any-fighter-jet-obviously.591318/

Texas and Venezuela, if we draw a straight line, it would be 4500 mile (nearly 7000km away)

Nope. Check Google map. Distance between Caracas and Houston is 3600 km.

https://www.distancecalculator.net/

 

[jhungary]

Kh-101 has range 4500 km. Distance from Caracas to Houston is less than 4000 km. All Tu-160 has to do is take off, launch the missiles, and flee to Argentina at Mach 2 speed. The base will get bombed to smithereens but the Houston oil refinery will be out of commission, giving America rebels the time to regroup and fight back against Trump if Trump declares emperor.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kh-101-stealthy-alcm-steathier-than-any-fighter-jet-obviously.591318/



Nope. Check Google map. Distance between Caracas and Houston is 3600 km.

https://www.distancecalculator.net/

lol.

1.) Was the Russian base in Caracas?
2.) Was the Texas oil field in Huston?
3.) Do you even know most Oil Storage is UNDERGROUND? Go to a gas station, ask them where they store their petrol?
4.) You still yet to answer my question about redundancy.

Well, what do I expect? It's @Superboy

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

lol.

1.) Was the Russian base in Caracas?
2.) Was the Texas oil field in Huston?
3.) Do you even know most Oil Storage is UNDERGROUND? Go to a gas station, ask them where they store their petrol?
4.) You still yet to answer my question about redundancy.

Well, what do I expect? It's @Superboy

Russia will help America rebels depose Trump if Trump declares emperor. Russia will not fight alone. At least a few squadrons of F-22 will help Tu-160.

 

[jhungary]

Russia will help America rebels depose Trump if Trump declares emperor. Russia will not fight alone. At least a few squadrons of F-22 will help Tu-160.

yeah, yeah, yeah, that mean you have no answer to my question?

Got it

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

yeah, yeah, yeah, that mean you have no answer to my question?

Got it

That means, if Trump declares emperor, then he ends up like Mussolini or Hitler. The target of the Venezuela base is Texas oil refinery. Tu-160 flee to Argentina at Mach 2 speed right after taking off. Distance Caracas to Houston is 3600 km. Kh-101 range 4500 km.

 

[KAL-EL]

That means, if Trump declares emperor, then he ends up like Mussolini or Hitler.

Doubt it.. Trump will just continue to ingest Diet Coke and cheeseburgers.

 

[jhungary]

Doubt it.. Trump will just continue to ingest Diet Coke and cheeseburgers.

lol......

probably, play grab-*** more than usual.

 

[Han Patriot]

First of all, you already have to dilute the force if you are the defence, because you do not just defend one side of your country, you need to defend all side. So In effect, that does nothing, because US would already have to deploy Fighter Squadron regardless whether or not Russia deploy their bomber in Venezuela, also, US have more (A LOT MORE) fighter than Russian have Tu-160 bomber, which mean US can take the dilution, Russia cannot

Second of all, the route taken from Venezuela would have to pass thru Columbia, Mexico before entering US air space via Texas, and Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico (US territories) if they want to go to Florida, which would increase chances of these bomber being seen (especially from Puerto Rico side of the region, as they are US territories and have US based system on it) on the other hand, Russian bomber flew from Kamchatka would have flew DIRECTLY to US, which mean less chances they are spotted, because between Kamchatka and Alaska or Washington, there are nothing but water.



How? KH-101 have a reported range of 4500-5000km, Texas and Venezuela, if we draw a straight line, it would be 4500 mile (nearly 7000km away), and if we go from the base that supposed to base the Russian Bomber, it's 5200 miles which is over 8000km.

Also, you did not answer my question. Because whatever you can do in Venezuela, you ALREADY have that capability to do them in Russia, unless you claim Russian bomber flew from Kamchatka are some how restricted to not carry Kh-101. Which mean whatever you said the Russian can do from Venezuela ALRREAD CAN BE DONE via Kamchatka, because it is CLOSER to the US Mainland. They can literally lift off from Kamchatka and shoot their missile and reach Alaska or go a bit further and shoot their missile.

So my question still stand, this is a duplicate move and Russia already have a better place to launch bomber strike from mainland, thus making this "Move" redundant.

Then let alone missile can be intercepted and usually did not do much damage anyway to begin with.

It's a statement. Having two choices instead of one. The Kamchatka area can attack Alaska quickly, the southern base can attack Texas quickly. It creates a small tension for US in the Americas, basically Russia is challenging the Monroe Doctrine.

The US can attack Moscow from Europe, but why do they base their troops in Korea and Japan too. These are pressure points, encirclement tactics, they force you to dilute your attention. Also another card to play when you negotiate. China should really consider joining this coalition, we can easily secure a base in Venezuela. A joint military base can be beneficial in countering American aggression. You need check and balances in this world to prevent one power becoming hegemonic, in which US is already one.

 

[maithil]

Putin entering Brezhnev territory.

 

[jhungary]

It's a statement. Having two choices instead of one. The Kamchatka area can attack Alaska quickly, the southern base can attack Texas quickly. It creates a small tension for US in the Americas, basically Russia is challenging the Monroe Doctrine.

The US can attack Moscow from Europe, but why do they base their troops in Korea and Japan too. These are pressure points, encirclement tactics, they force you to dilute your attention. Also another card to play when you negotiate. China should really consider joining this coalition, we can easily secure a base in Venezuela. A joint military base can be beneficial in countering American aggression. You need check and balances in this world to prevent one power becoming hegemonic, in which US is already one.

The difference between the two is Russia have only 2 squadrons of Tu-160 (about 14 Tu-160) On the other hand, US have about 110 B-1 and 22 B-2 plus some 70-100 B-52.

The role for Strategic Bomber such as Tu-160 is to saturate target, which mean you need concentration of your bomber to do your job, and if you split up 2 squadron of Tu-160, you have diluted 50% of strength, and even if you put Bear which have no where near the range and stealth Tu-160 offer, you are still looking at 4 to 5 squadron, not enough for another front.

You only split your strategic asset when you have enough to pass around, if not, they will become your strategic liability, but with some 14 bombers, you probably better off basing them in one location, and in this case, Kamchatka is a more suitable location to base them. Because you don't fly into other country and you can strike US directly.

 

[graphican]

That is interesting. USA would get taste of its own actions back. You poke Russia, you get pocked back.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The difference between the two is Russia have only 2 squadrons of Tu-160 (about 14 Tu-160) On the other hand, US have about 110 B-1 and 22 B-2 plus some 70-100 B-52.

True, but if Trump declares emperor, at least half of US military will fight Trump yes? The Russia military may be small compared to US military, but all of them will fight Trump. Let's see how Trump handles the heat if he declares emperor.

No way US has 110 B-1 as you claim. Wiki puts B-1 number at 62, B-2 number at 20, B-52 number at 75.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft

 

[jhungary]

True, but if Trump declares emperor, at least half of US military will fight Trump yes? The Russia military may be small compared to US military, but all of them will fight Trump. Let's see how Trump handles the heat if he declares emperor.

No way US has 110 B-1 as you claim. Wiki puts B-1 number at 62, B-2 number at 20, B-52 number at 75.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft

Those are active aircraft, all the B-1 in reserve are preserved as per Strategic Article Act, they can be regenerate within 12 months. The US has built 110 B-1A/B.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT REDUNDANCY.