Russia finalizes S-400 missile system deal with Turkey

[kartal1]

Hey buddy

I have no idea where are your facts coming from and in which universe Iran is going to attack Turkey, or maybe it's vise versa. Please enlighten me, why would you suppose that Iran and Syria are Turkey's enemies???

What has Syria done to Turkey after all??? It's a big question in my mind. Before NATO infiltration in Syria through Turkey, we had this situation :

Erdogan did everything possible to topple Assad's legitimate government. Don't you think that west is abusing Turkey to destroy all of us???

I said that the possibility of Iran attacking Turkey or vice versa is very low but you see with your eyes that our interests contradict in alot of cases and if the chance is very low we must be ready. That dont means we want a war with Iran but just in case. Assad already made airstrikes against our forces around Al Bab and alot of sources said that the intelligence was gattered by Iranian UAV that later was traced back to base (I dont remember the name of the base). We gave three Shehid and 10 wounded. So the wise person said "If you want peace be ready for war". About Assad..... The Assad family supported PKK and its wings to attack Turkey long before Turkey supported any faction in the Syrian civil war. There were even times before when the two countries were on the edge of war. But of course the theme of the thread is different than that. When I wrote it I didnt meant to offense anybody but we see the reality. Its not that pink and we must not put our guard down. Lets concentrate on the S400s and not on the politics.

 

[Mr.Department]

Greece and Syria are possible threats.

The longest range missile Turkey gets have a range of 380km. It is told by top official mouth during conversations.

confrontation with Iran is very low

I agree to you all. Greece is an ally of Msir and Israel, could happen.
Syria is too weak, but from Syrian soil YPG/PKK (means States and Israel) possible.

 

[Killuminati]

If Turkey leaves NATO, Russia would give her own SAM to them. Like what we received from Russia

Turkey has some wrong calculations, i love Turkish nation but the leadership of Turkey has some political mistakes. However these mistakes are often found in every Islamic country

They should raze Israeli embassy in Ankara.

No one is perfect. If Erdogan did what he does now but ten or five years back, you really think he would survive(politically) it??

No i dont think so...

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Have you guys seen this?

According to Rostec CEO, Turkey has purchased four S-400 systems, not two like some previous reports said.

Turkey purchased four S-400 air defense systems, Russia’s Rostec CEO says

Turkey purchased four S-400 missile defense systems, Russia's state-run defense company Rostec CEO said in an interview published Wednesday.

Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov told Russian daily Kommersant that the purchase will cost Turkey $2.5 billion, confirming previous reports regarding financial details of the deal between Ankara and Moscow.

"The Russian and Turkish finance ministries have already completed the negotiations and the only thing left is to approve the final documents. [Turkey] will pay 45 percent of the total amount defined in the contract in advance, while 55 percent [will be paid with] funds from a Russian credit," Chemezov said.

He added that the first system's delivery is planned for March 2020.

Explaining how the S-400 deal with Turkey is beneficial for Russia, Chemezov said: "It is the first NATO country to acquire our latest air defense system S-400."

Turkey agreed to buy two S-400's — Russia's most advanced long-range anti-aircraft missile system — in September.

With an aim to address its growing defense needs, Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 missile defense system from Russia. Turkey will be the first NATO member country to purchase the system. For this reason, it has faced criticism from other member states claiming that Turkey is moving away from NATO.

Pointing out the wide gap between rhetoric and reality, Turkey stressed that the decision to buy the defense system from Russia is not politically motivated but should be considered as an effort to meet the defense needs of the country. Officials from Ankara have said that Turkey first attempted to purchase a defense system from NATO member states, but never had its demands addressed. Upon the criticism from allies, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg ended speculations on Sep. 19, when he said member states had the sovereign right to make decisions regarding their military purchases.

With the purchase of the S-400s, Ankara aims to build Turkey's first long-range air and anti-missile defense system to guard against threats in the region.

Moreover, Turkey seeks to build its own missile defense systems as the deal also involves the transfer of technology and know-how. The S-400 system, which was introduced in 2007, is the new generation of Russian missile systems, and so far Russia has only sold them to China and India.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...0-air-defense-systems-russias-rostec-ceo-says

 

[Mr.Department]

Its ok now - 4 squadrons S-400 with additional systems ( TOR) and all infrastructure (Means technology transfer)

Restgele brothers.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/rus-basininda-muthis-turkiye-iddiasi-40691196

 

[Oublious]

Are the 144 missiles for 4 systems? If that is the case thats not much missiles, ther will be long range, medium and short range missile. And we have to cut in 4, thats 36 missiles. Or is it 144 missile for one system, thats a good amount missile. That 36 missile is with in one day out of stock in a war.

 

[Mr.Department]

Are the 144 missiles for 4 systems? If that is the case thats not much missiles, ther will be long range, medium and short range missile. And we have to cut in 4, thats 36 missiles. Or is it 144 missile for one system, thats a good amount missile. That 36 missile is with in one day out of stock in a war.

It will cover whole Turkish airspace + Bulgaria, Romania - Turkish Black Sea coastal, complete Aegean, total Syria and Israel , parts of Balkan and Armenia / Iran boarder; numbers I hope will never be published.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Turkey will very likely order more missiles of various types after the delivery of the S-400 systems. There's no point in ordering/paying for hundreds of missiles we cannot even technically launch yet.

144 sounds like an ideal "start up" number for filling the initial fire units plus quite a few to spare. AFAIK, actual missile launch isn't a requirement for training SAM crews but some missiles will likely be spent during military exercises and capability testing/demonstration.

 

[Adıvar]

Its ok now - 4 squadrons S-400 with additional systems ( TOR) and all infrastructure (Means technology transfer)

Restgele brothers.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/rus-basininda-muthis-turkiye-iddiasi-40691196

What does "technology transfer" mean? The Russians will manufacture the systems in Turkey together with Turkish engineers?

 

[Pax Ottomana]

S-400s are being purchased off-the-shelf with no TOT. There are some aspects of the system that Turkey can customize but that's generally not considered within the scope of TOT. It's more of a "user settings" thing. Turkish S-400s will be manufactured in Russia.

Guys, remember, we're buying these to fend off the fvcking Yankees.

 

[Mr.Department]

It's more of a "user settings" thing

Yes. Infrasturucture, trainining, maintenance and thats it.

 

[Adıvar]

S-400s are being purchased off-the-shelf with no TOT. There are some aspects of the system that Turkey can customize but that's generally not considered within the scope of TOT. It's more of a "user settings" thing. Turkish S-400s will be manufactured in Russia.

Guys, remember, we're buying these to fend off the fvcking Yankees.

Bozdağ: S-400'lerde teknoloji transferi de sağlanacak
Başbakan Yardımcısı Bozdağ, "S-400 füzelerini anlaşma çerçevesinde Türkiyemiz alacaktır ve teknoloji transferi de sağlanacak. Dolayısıyla Türk mühendislerinin de bu füzeyi yapabilme imkan ve kabiliyeti geliştirilecek." dedi.

Burada konuşan Bozdağ, "Şimdi S-400 füzelerini Allah’ın izni ile Türkiye Rusya arasında sağlanan bir anlaşma çerçevesinde Türkiyemiz alacaktır ve teknoloji transferi de sağlanacak. Dolayısıyla Türk mühendisleri ve bilim insanlarının da bu füzeyi yapabilme imkan ve kabiliyeti geliştirilecek ve Türkiye bu alanda kendi kendine yeter hale gelme konusunda ciddi bir mesafe alacaktır." ifadesini kullandı.

http://www.tgrthaber.com.tr/politika/bozdag-s-400lerde-teknoloji-transferi-de-saglanacak-198712

 

[xenon54 out]

Are the 144 missiles for 4 systems? If that is the case thats not much missiles, ther will be long range, medium and short range missile. And we have to cut in 4, thats 36 missiles. Or is it 144 missile for one system, thats a good amount missile. That 36 missile is with in one day out of stock in a war.

144 is ready to launch number as far as i have understood.

 

[Mr.Department]

teknoloji transferi

They made mistakes in the past cause "KUVVET" acted like a trader, which is not its job.
We could have already F-35s delivered with first LRIPs and anaylzed capabilities and weakness. Kuvvet keep far away from commercial and economics decisions in future !

An expert look into the system is technology transfer

 

[Adıvar]

They made mistakes cause "KUVVET" acted like a trader, which is not his job.
We could have already F-35s delivered with first LRIPs and anaylzed capabilities and weakness.
Kuvvet keep far away from commercial and economics decisions in future !

"kuvvet" ?