Russia eyeing $3 bln in new arms contracts-source

[Galaxy]

su30 are good planes but 300 i am against that we can look some other much better option dont you think su35 will be much better option 60-100 su35

just think IAF with su35

Su 30MKI are similar to Su35.

Also, Add Brahmos/Nirbhay with MKI too. 312 is fair enough.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So,

312 Sukhi 30MKI by 2018-2019 (Confirm)

As of right now india has like 140 something su-30s....in service.. kindly show the sources for the rest 162?

200 Typhoon/Rafale in next 10 years (1-3 Squadron in 36 Months) (Almost Confirm it's matter of time)

The order is of 124.

52-100 Tejas MK1 by 2014 (Confirm)

LOL... 52-100 by 2014... nice imagination... LCA will be inducted around 2017 to replaces the migs.

tHE current order is what round 40 ?

200 Tejas MK2 from 2015-2022 (Confirm but no. and time is not confirmed)

Forget the number n mk-2 first induct mk-1

300 PAKFA / FGFA production will start in 2017 onwards (Final) (Confirm with 30-35 Billion $)

I think they r lookin for 200 jets not 300.. n tht will take a very long time.

300 AMCA Production will start in 2020 onwards (Final but no. and time is not confirmed)

LOL AMCA is still on drawing board and u will start producting in just 9 years? amazing.

35-40 F-35 / Typhoon / Rafale for 4th Aircraft carrier INS Vishal (Not Confirmed)

Ur imagination.


@galaxy... MRCA wont carry brahmos..

 

[brational]

Pakis hv a great AF.. They r always ahead of India.. U pakis rock.. Enjoy...

 

[Galaxy]

As of right now india has like 140 something su-30s....in service.. kindly show the sources for the rest 162?

We have around 140-160 Operational. 272 Order Confirmed last year only.
Rs 15,000 crore Sukhoi deal cleared

India set to buy 42 more Russian Su-30 fighter jets | Defense | RIA Novosti
We are buying 40 more(even this thread is about that) may be 40 more afterwards. Even 40 more will make 312 which is what i said. We have complete set-up and easy to have more. As per current Production rate, We will have 312 by 2019. 272 is scheduled to be complete inducted by 2017. In Next 18 months, we will add 40 More. All are going as per schedule. So, There is no Issue. I Mentioned the link both Russia and India too.

Rafale/Typhoon order is of 124.

Yes, 124 is starting order after than 63 more will be added (Due to Less Charges, Will be build in India only after technology transfer). You can surely read all the details last of week. IAF likely to go in for another 63 fighters

LOL... 52-100 by 2014... nice imagination... LCA will be inducted around 2017 to replaces the migs.

tHE current order is what round 40 ?

Yes, Current Order is 40 for MK-1 and will be inducted in 1-2 year only. 8 Operational. Also, Tejas Naval - 6 Confirmed (ACC by 2013-14) and 50 in Pipeline (which depends). 40+8+6 = 54 Confirm in 2 years only. I said Same 54-100 by 2014.

Check various Links mate:

Indian Navy fastens its seatbelt for Light Combat Aircraft Tejas - Bangalore - DNA
Navy places Rs 900-cr order for 6 Tejas LCA - Rediff.com India News
http://news.indiavoice.info/india/iaf-inducts-indigenous-lca-tejas-2011011016349

Forget the number n mk-2 first induct mk-1

We are doing same thing. What's Point ?? 180 (10 Squadron) will be produced after 2015. Flight test is scheduled in 2014. I already said No. and time not yet confirm. Hope it's clear now.

I think they r lookin for 200 jets not 300.. n tht will take a very long time.

No, It's 300. 50 PAK FA and 250 FGFA. 50 PAK FA will be delivered in 2017-2020 Only. FGFA production will start after 2017 too. There is a Sticky threat where you will find of 1000 of links, News and Testing. All Flight test almost completed without a single fail. it will be done as per Schedule.

LOL AMCA is still on drawing board and u will start producting in just 9 years? amazing.

That's why I said After 2020. We will have enough experience till 2020 to start production. All Drawing to prototype will happen in next 7-9 years. I said same thing......No. and Time not confirmed.

Ur imagination.

@galaxy... MRCA wont carry brahmos..

Either you don't have any idea or just talking like a fan boy. Sukhoi 30MKI will be quipped with Brahmos. It's not confirm but even next induction will be equipped with. We already have ordered enough number and No problem with Brahmos. To Bust your Dream, Even Nirbhay (1,000KM will be equipped with MKI)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/96352-air-launch-brahmos-ready-tests.html

 

[Ryuu]

^^

i agree everything with ur post except 50 mki before 2014

max 20-25 before 2014,after first 40 orders of MK1 would finish by 2015-2016,reaming would be MK2 with GE F414 engine as well as AESA radar(elta 2052 if us don't block it's sale,EADS is another partner),i don't think india will have more then 50 MK1, GE F414 is expected to delivered around 2013 with intial 99 orders from US reaming TOT local manufacture.i think intial 50 mk1 will undergo mk2 upgrade later

 

[Galaxy]

^^

i agree everything with ur post except 50 mki before 2014

max 20-25 before 2014,after first 40 orders of MK1 would finish by 2015-2016,reaming would be MK2 with GE F414 engine as well as AESA radar(elta 2052 if us don't block it's sale,EADS is another partner),i don't think india will have more then 50 MK1, GE F414 is expected to delivered around 2013 with intial 99 orders reaming TOT local manufacture

8 Operational, 40 in 2 years. 6 Naval in 2-3 years = 54....MK-1

It is possible in 3 years. Order already confirmed (All MK-1)

after that MK-2 Order will be given after test in 2014.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/175226/iaf-begins-establishing-first-lca.html

Even Location already decided. The first squadron of LCA will be the IAF’s 45th squadron, the Flying Daggers. They would first be based in Bangalore before being stationed at Sulur, near Coimbatore, where the IAF wants the first squadron positioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We have around 140-160 Operational. 272 Order Confirmed last year only.
Rs 15,000 crore Sukhoi deal cleared

India set to buy 42 more Russian Su-30 fighter jets | Defense | RIA Novosti
We are buying 40 more(even this thread is about that) may be 40 more afterwards. Even 40 more will make 312 which is what i said. We have complete set-up and easy to have more. As per current Production rate, We will have 312 by 2019. 272 is scheduled to be complete inducted by 2017. In Next 18 months, we will add 40 More. All are going as per schedule. So, There is no Issue. I Mentioned the link both Russia and India too. [/QUOTE]

The 40 more are included in the 272 figure...

Yes, 124 is starting order after than 63 more will be added (Due to Less Charges, Will be build in India only after technology transfer). You can surely read all the details last of week. IAF likely to go in for another 63 fighters

Its speculation nothing solid yet.

Yes, Current Order is 40 for MK-1 and will be inducted in 1-2 year only. 8 Operational. Also, Tejas Naval - 6 Confirmed (ACC by 2013-14) and 50 in Pipeline (which depends). 40+8+6 = 54 Confirm in 2 years only. I said Same 54-100 by 2014. Check various Links mate:

Indian Navy fastens its seatbelt for Light Combat Aircraft Tejas - Bangalore - DNA
Navy places Rs 900-cr order for 6 Tejas LCA - Rediff.com India News
http://news.indiavoice.info/india/iaf-inducts-indigenous-lca-tejas-2011011016349
We are doing same thing. What's Point ?? 180 (10 Squadron) will be produced after 2015. Flight test is scheduled in 2014. I already said No. and time not yet confirm. Hope it's clear now.

LCA is not in production yet... how will u get 40+6 trainers by 2014? in just 3 years?



And time frame of mk-2 to be ready is 2017 or maybe its just speculation... how can india produce 2 variants at the same time?when the first is not even ready?

No, It's 300. 50 PAK FA and 250 FGFA. 50 PAK FA will be delivered in 2017-2020 Only. FGFA production will start after 2017 too. There is a Sticky threat where you will find of 1000 of links, News and Testing. All Flight test almost completed without a single fail. it will be done as per Schedule.

Dude its a speculation tht iaf will have 200-250 pak-fa.. pak-fa,fgfa is the same thing.. PAK-FA is russian variant..correct me if im wrong.

That's why I said After 2020. We will have enough experience till 2020 to start production. All Drawing to prototype will happen in next 7-9 years. I said same thing......No. and Time not confirmed.

Russians r building pak-fa.. n amca is just a prospect as of right now.. it would take longer to build it .. 7-9 years in unrealistic.

Either you don't have any idea or just talking like a fan boy. Sukhoi 30MKI will be quipped with Brahmos. It's not confirm but even next induction will be equipped with. We already have ordered enough number and No problem with Brahmos. To Bust your Dream, Even Nirbhay (1,000KM will be equipped with MKI)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/96352-air-launch-brahmos-ready-tests.html

Im talking abt MRCA not su-30.. also SU-30s can only take 1 brahmos at a time.. and only 40 su-30s r going to be equipped as of right now..

 

[conworldus]

With all the talks of FGFA starting production in 2017, isn't the plane still on the drawing board as well just like the AMCA? Also, does anyone seriously believe that Russia is going to start mass produce PAK FA in 2015? Just 5 years after the first flight of its "prototype"?

 

[perplexed]

With all the talks of FGFA starting production in 2017, isn't the plane still on the drawing board as well just like the AMCA? Also, does anyone seriously believe that Russia is going to start mass produce PAK FA in 2015? Just 5 years after the first flight of its "prototype"?

if j20 with no proven 5th gen characteristics can be the next best fighter after F22 then anything is possible in this world.

 

[conworldus]

if j20 with no proven 5th gen characteristics can be the next best fighter after F22 then anything is possible in this world.

What 5th gen charateristics are proven for the T-50 besides Russian promises

 

[Tshering22]

As of right now india has like 140 something su-30s....in service.. kindly show the sources for the rest 162?

How much is 230+42+40 (including this news item)? Its simple mathematics mate. Go on. calculate it.

The order is of 124.

The contract for MRCA is 126 + 74 options.

LOL... 52-100 by 2014... nice imagination... LCA will be inducted around 2017 to replaces the migs.

First 40 are to be before 2014-15. 2017 will see proper facilities of assembly lines by HAL as Ashok Baweja had mentioned in his annual meet. The idea is to have 45 squads by 2025. So calculate accordingly.

tHE current order is what round 40 ?

MK1. MK2 orders are 140 above. Numerous links have been posted regarding this. Please check the sticky
Forget the number n mk-2 first induct mk-1

I think they r lookin for 200 jets not 300.. n tht will take a very long time.

250 is the confirmed number by what ACM Naik said in March. Beyond that is well only to be seen. The production facilities will be there both in Russia and India since we need rapid induction. Russia and India cannot export to third country until domestic orders are filled, which means that for the sake of VVS and IAF, they will need to double the normal speed.

LOL AMCA is still on drawing board and u will start producting in just 9 years? amazing.

Wind tunnel model has been tested successfully including three different concepts (that are not so different from each other). The WT test model was revealed in last AERO India show. AMCA left the drawing boards in 2008. The problem is they're too secretive about what's going on regarding design tests and all. So none of us have any idea what is going on. But yeah production will start in 9-10 years and might see induction in 2020-22 onwards.

Ur imagination.

Strongly agree. Some people get a little carried away.

@galaxy... MRCA wont carry brahmos..

Depends on what IAF want. If they want it, they will get it. BrahMos is our missile and once we buy the jets, it is our decision to modify them for the missile or not. That's why it has such a heavy TOT clause.

 

[Tshering22]

What 5th gen charateristics are proven for the T-50 besides Russian promises

What 5th generation qualities can you show in J-20 in technical aeronautical terms? I think the Russian aero engineer here clearly had thread fulls of debate on this.

Can you? Other than the "F22- like nose" , "F-35 like engine intakes" that have elephantine canards to null the entire stealth concept?

We both know that either of them are not as stealthy as Raptor as of yet.

 

[genxindian]

With all the talks of FGFA starting production in 2017, isn't the plane still on the drawing board as well just like the AMCA? Also, does anyone seriously believe that Russia is going to start mass produce PAK FA in 2015? Just 5 years after the first flight of its "prototype"?

yh if ur defnition of drawing board is several hrs of prototype testing

 

[conworldus]

I am not discussing the J-20 at all, and I cannot show you anything because I am NOT a J-20 engineer and I have NO inside information of this plane. All I know is it looks pretty amazing and badass, whereas the T-50, well, you know.

I am simply saying that how do you know that the T-50 has actually all the features besides Russian words, and none of the Indian users have answered that.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Didn't Russia just dump Gaddafi's regime recently?

It seems Gaddafi will go nowhere and he will most likely stay in Libya.

I don't know how this deal can be done in this deteriorated relationship.