Russia don't need to build aircraft carrier. Yasen attack submarine is armed with Kalibr land attack

[prop558]

Americans had radars. Japan did not. Radar allowed Americans to locate Japanese fleet and planes. So Americans had advantage. Carriers are not needed to fight Qaeda. Russia don't need carriers, only subs that are armed with cruise missiles.

Submarines has other effectiveness.

Carriers & Submarines both are effective tools of Naval defence. Both can not / should not be compared with each other. Both has entirely different significance .

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Carriers & Submarines both are effective tools of Naval defence. Both can not / should not be compared with each other. Both has entirely different significance .

Both are used for naval warfare. They are substitutes.

 

[prop558]

Maybe. But carriers are vulnerable without adequate protection.

It can not be destroyed with a single or few flying aircrafts. Attack of whole squadron is needed to destroy a single carrier. That is too with the hope that all of its air arm (aircrafts) are not in the air. Carriers has enormous air defence in modern days. Even more than a airbase.

Modern day carriers has underwater radar systems, so they can locate the submarines within the range of particular radius. Its not 40s dear, its 2018. Some of them has jamming systems too. Don't under-estimate brother. This underestimation has cost Saddam's Iraq an unbearable blow.

Soviets had upper hand in submarines, while the Americans had upper hand in the carriers. So neither can fully dominate.

 

[nahtanbob]

You mean to say invade everyone.

Your corporations rely on your military abilities to control different parts of the world.

Russians prefer a defensive approach.

The S-400 vs F-35B logic.

neocolonialism is cheaper than force

I thought V-2 and V-3 belong to Soviets.

v-2 is a german rocket

It can not be destroyed with a single or few flying aircrafts. Attack of whole squadron is needed to destroy a single carrier. That is too with the hope that all of its air arm (aircrafts) are not in the air. Carriers has enormous air defence in modern days. Even more than a airbase.

Modern day carriers has underwater radar systems, so they can locate the submarines within the range of particular radius. Its not 40s dear, its 2018. Some of them has jamming systems too. Don't under-estimate brother. This underestimation has cost Saddam's Iraq an unbearable blow.

Soviets had upper hand in submarines, while the Americans had upper hand in the carriers. So neither can fully dominate.

what makes you think American sub fleet is inferior to the soviets ?

The Russian carrier fleet is non-existent. they might have a carrier. the naval aviation operating off the carriers is sub-par for a great power

 

[prop558]

neocolonialism is cheaper than force


v-2 is a german rocket



what makes you think American sub fleet is inferior to the soviets ?

The Russian carrier fleet is non-existent. they might have a carrier. the naval aviation operating off the carriers is sub-par for a great power

When & where I said it, that the US sub fleet is inferior to the Soviets / Russians ?

 

[nahtanbob]

When & where I said it, that the US sub fleet is inferior to the Soviets / Russians ?

"Soviets had upper hand in submarines"

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

It can not be destroyed with a single or few flying aircrafts. Attack of whole squadron is needed to destroy a single carrier. That is too with the hope that all of its air arm (aircrafts) are not in the air. Carriers has enormous air defence in modern days. Even more than a airbase.

Modern day carriers has underwater radar systems, so they can locate the submarines within the range of particular radius. Its not 40s dear, its 2018. Some of them has jamming systems too. Don't under-estimate brother. This underestimation has cost Saddam's Iraq an unbearable blow.

Soviets had upper hand in submarines, while the Americans had upper hand in the carriers. So neither can fully dominate.

1 missile can destroy a carrier. 1 Exocet sunk Sheffield. If the hit is on the ammo storage.

The Russian carrier fleet is non-existent. they might have a carrier. the naval aviation operating off the carriers is sub-par for a great power

And yet Americans don't dare to fight Russians. Hell, they didn't even dare fight Russia in 1945 when they had nukes and Russia didn't.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Jet fuel is expensive. Rather than having planes taking off and land constantly and servicing the planes, cruise missiles fired from attack subs get it done quickly, efficiently, safely.

Per hour flying cost of F-16 is roughly $16,000, including jet fuel and maintenance, and roughly $30,000 for F-15E. Counting 5 hour of flight time, and dropping a $40,000 JDAM on enemy target still brings down the mission cost to less than 10% of the cost of a cruise missile.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Per hour flying cost of F-16 is roughly $16,000, including jet fuel and maintenance, and roughly $30,000 for F-15E. Counting 5 hour of flight time, and dropping a $40,000 JDAM on enemy target still brings down the mission cost to less than 10% of the cost of a cruise missile.

Planes must be serviced more after each flight. That costs money. Planes can crash after many sorties. That costs even more.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Planes must be serviced more after each flight. That costs money. Planes can crash after many sorties. That costs even more.

Every cost is accounted in the per hour flight cost of an aircraft, including spares.

 

[nahtanbob]

1 missile can destroy a carrier. 1 Exocet sunk Sheffield. If the hit is on the ammo storage.



And yet Americans don't dare to fight Russians. Hell, they didn't even dare fight Russia in 1945 when they had nukes and Russia didn't.

yet the Russians don' dare to fight the Americans

Planes must be serviced more after each flight. That costs money. Planes can crash after many sorties. That costs even more.

the aircraft is there after bombing assuming it has not been shot down. the cruise missile is history after firing

F-16 can deliver 8000 pounds of bombs. F-15s can deliver 20,000 pounds of bombs.
Cruise missiles have less than 1000 pound warhead

your analysis skills need to improve from the level of 3rd grader to 4th grader

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Every cost is accounted in the per hour flight cost of an aircraft, including spares.

Depends. Americans crash more planes in war time. That ain't cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

 

[nahtanbob]

Depends. Americans crash more planes in war time. That ain't cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

war is not about money. it is about defeating your opponent
no one has won a war with missiles

 

[Skull and Bones]

Depends. Americans crash more planes in war time. That ain't cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

Comparable to submarines lost by Russia during peace time.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

war is not about money. it is about defeating your opponent
no one has won a war with missiles

Qaeda was beaten by missiles.