Russia delivers S-300 air-defence batteries to China

[AerospaceEngineer]

Really. I never thought we have S-400.

Maybe yes. I need some with real source to confirm it.

 

[Akasa]

Really. I never thought we have S-400.

Maybe yes. I need some with real source to confirm it.

http://www.j anes.com/articles/-Strategic-Weapon-Systems/HQ-19-S-400-China.html

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[Harisudan]

With due respect, I wouldn't bash Russians the way you do. Russia seems clearly ahead of China in some critical areas of missile tech largely because of residual benefits of the Cold War competition with the US. However, China is closing the gap quickly in the last decade. This S-300 system was what China ordered more than a decade ago.

In general, the millitary(SCO), geopolitical (UNSC) and economic Sino-Russian strategic alliance is far beyond what Russia could possiblely share with India, a typical Client Relationship based on cold cash, which is no more and no less than the relationship I have with the convenience store owner in my street. I would not take any random individual Russian's view here in a thread as anything remotely representative of average Russians' stance, let alone its official one. So chill out.

every one the world knows what kind of relationship china and Russia have...The Rare supplying you with some wepons for the hot cash you in ur hand, which the russians need desperately...But they will never dare to enter ina relation ship with you guys like they did in 70's...
Every one in the world knows that you guys copied their best selling Aircraft(Su27) and made a cheap copy(J11) and competed them with the same aircraft offering for few millions lesser than su27 in many defence contracts..Do you think even a school boy in Russia will believe the chinese...I hope not..

lol iam explaining to people why china still buys off from russia ... that it aint no bashing ... try to put some comic relif into the fourm

First of all you try to give us some break from your pathetic trolls..Its very very evident that the chinese with superior manufacturing abilities and cash and the so called R & D facilities would be mile stones ahead of the cold war bit Russians in missiles related stuffs...But instead they are buying them in huge numbers...
Well what can i say for this if you come up with some bullshit reason other than the truth...

 

[Beast]

every one the world knows what kind of relationship china and Russia have...The Rare supplying you with some wepons for the hot cash you in ur hand, which the russians need desperately...But they will never dare to enter ina relation ship with you guys like they did in 70's...
Every one in the world knows that you guys copied their best selling Aircraft(Su27) and made a cheap copy(J11) and competed them with the same aircraft offering for few millions lesser than su27 in many defence contracts..Do you think even a school boy in Russia will believe the chinese...I hope not..



First of all you try to give us some break from your pathetic trolls..Its very very evident that the chinese with superior manufacturing abilities and cash and the so called R & D facilities would be mile stones ahead of the cold war bit Russians in missiles related stuffs...But instead they are buying them in huge numbers...
Well what can i say for this if you come up with some bullshit reason other than the truth...

The one buying in large number from Russia is India, not China...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/member...takes-china-worlds-biggest-arms-importer.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...cations-russian-salyut-al-31f-jet-engine.html

The Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has developed its own service life extension modifications for the Russian-made Salyut AL-31F engine, a Moscow-based defence and foreign policy think-tank has reported.

The modifications to the AL-31F/FN P.2 series engine increase its operational limits by more than 65 per cent - from 900 to 1,500 flight hours, according to the privately owned Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST).....

This level of improvement in the engine's design demonstrates that the Chinese have achieved near autonomy in the support of these Russian-made engines. Russian specialists who spoke to Jane's state that this is "another example of how the technology sold to the Chinese during the 1990s has now been fully assimilated by them. It is only a matter of time before the engines that China produces will be as good as or better than anything designed here in Russia".

International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Report from the 2010 Chinese Defense Electronics Exhibition (CIDEX): Growing Industry – Advancing Technology

Chinese defence products were once thought of as being moderately capable copies of previous-generation hardware that contained attributes of Russian, European and Israeli designs. Some of those bloodlines can still be seen in their designs, but the products now being seen at an expo like CIDEX show that Chinese firms have capabilities that approach first world industrial, state-of-the-art levels of sophistication.

In the 1990s, when the Russian defence was in danger of drying up and closing its doors due to an almost complete collapse in any funding from their own government, it was China that saved the day. China bought billions in military hardware from Russia, but it also sent its engineers, designers and technicians to study inside of Russian industry to learn how the weapons it was purchasing had been developed in the first place.

This transfer of technological know-how, plus some enormous investments by the Chinese military into its state-owned industries (what more than one Russian has referred to as “uncontrolled and rampant modernisation&#8221 has produced a defence electronics industry that far outstrips the size and capacity of that which existed in Russia when Chinese industry first began their cooperation with Moscow in the early 1990s.

Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.

Not surprisingly, this year’s CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.

One is that the commitment by the central government in resources to the defence electronics sector is both sustained and serious. “They can take a field where there is nothing but flat land and wild grass,” said one Russian company representative, “and the next thing you know there is a full-blown factory or design centre there turning out a world-class product.”

The other advantage to China is the unfortunate reality of actuarial tables. Younger scientists and engineers who are needed in Russia to form the next-generation of weapons designers are leaving the nation in droves. A few years ago the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) estimated that 70,000 scientists and specialists from Russian defence institutes and military-industrial complex enterprises had left the country.

A documentary on the subject produced by Moscow’s NTV stated “the nuclear physicists, experts in electronic equipment, virologists and biotechnologists did not leave Russia empty-handed. They took secrets with them and presented their former foes with the weapons they had themselves developed.”

The documentary went on to claim “according to CIA data, in the first half of the 1990s thousands of Soviet specialists in the field of nuclear and missile technology left for the Middle East. They worked there in violation of the treaty on non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and the MTCR. From the Arzamas-16 centre several people went to work in Iraq. Russian scientists worked in Iran and Libya. Forty nuclear scientists immigrated to Israel. Thousands of Russian specialists in the field of nuclear and missile technologies developed programmes to improve armaments in China. Our scientists are willing to work anywhere they are paid.”

The consequence is that whereas the age of the average defence industrial scientist or engineer in China is about 30 and around 40 in the US – it is 50 years or more in Russia. China’s industry is growing and advancing, while Russia’s will effectively be dying off before too long.

China has demonstrate they can modify and extend the life of AL-31F engines.

Our own Chinese JADM and laser guided bombs are all indigenous demonstrated in CIPEX Beijing 2010 exhibit. Even the Russian weapon maker come to this exhibit to source for the Chinese chips to be used on their PGM..

In conclusion, China has advanced and is self reliant of high tech product. All this happens after billions of dollars has pour in to nurture talent and investing on R&D plus facilities. It don't happen one night. Took about one and half decades to achieve it.

Our own class of FW-100 engines has enter service and equip in large numbers .

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/84838-new-j11bs-ws-10-engine-pics.html

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think the mods should set the new rules next time, as anyone who dig out the old false rumor thread should receive the infraction.

 

[Akasa]

whats th state of chinese domestic SAMS this purchase does prove something about their capability

The state is that the HQ-9 was selected for the PLAN's destroyers and the PLA's front line units while the S-300 was not.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The state is that the HQ-9 was selected for the PLAN's destroyers and the PLA's front line units while the S-300 was not.

Jeez, stop replying a 2 years old thread.