Russia blames CIA special forces for Nord Stream 1 attack to cripple Germany economically so Airbus cannot compete with Boeing

[Hack-Hook]

@80-100m deep in the sea ? Your just ridiculous....

as if a trained human body can't tolerate that depth , without any equipment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_weight_apnea
now think you carry a mine with you in 3 min without any help even oxygen you reach the pipeline 30 sec to attach the mine and then come up and go , two or 3 hour latter even one day latter , depend on how you set the timer it go kaboom

you need more depth here is another way to do it

No-limits apnea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nord stream pipelines are situated behind the level of frogmen for any attack.

wrong, if its at 80 to 100m then any frogman can do it

The question is who makes the most profit from this sabotage?
The gas price jumped over $200.
The usual suspects are gas providers. One of them is Moscow.

another that people tend to forget , Norway . another that already threatened to do so USA

 

[jhungary]

Like :
Geopolitical :
1. Ensuring the Russians will no longer have any carrot / leverage in any future negotiations with EU / Germany.. Lessening the possibility that Germany will negotiate or pressure the US / Ukraine to negotiate with Russia in the coming winter or beyond.
2. Ensuring that the EU states can no longer change their mind regarding not using Russian gas, even if under pressure from their own populace and industry.
3. Ensuring that any future gas export (after the war settles and peace returns) from Russia will have to pass to through Ukraine / Baltic states, paying billions of $ for transit fees.
4. Showing the world that the US "walks the talk" when declaring the US can and will stop the NS2 from delivering.
5. Personally humiliating Putin, as NS2 was his dear pet project and deterring the EU from even considering similar projects (with any country) without US approval in the future.

Economic :
1. US will replace Russia as the main energy exporter to EU, ensuring additional billions of profit for US gas, oil, shale industries.. at least for the short to medium term.
2. Energy intensive EU industries will run out of steam (literally), forcing them to wind down, close or relocate offshore where energy are plentiful and prices are low... potentially receiving the relocated EU industries into the US...
3. Decrease global competitiveness of EU industries and products due to high energy prices... Would Airbus planes cost much more now...? Perhaps that can help Boeing that's not performing too well lately..?

With the coming winter and energy hardships / rationing, the European resolve may begin to falter in the face of cheap Russian gas dangling in front of their eyes.. especially if this winter turns out to be harsher than usual and their population angrier... By crippling NS1 & NS2 that carrot is no longer available... thus the US gains all the benefits from this sabotage while the cost are practically nothing...

Again, you are confused between the need of Russian gas and the decision to buy Russian gas. The administrative decision of whether or not EU will continue to buy Russian gas based on policy, not based on whether or not NS1 and NS2 are damaged. On the other hand, the decision to NOT BUY Russian gas is again not going to be Pipeline related.

Another thing is, your "Reason" can be applied to any one of Oil and Gas Producer not just to US. On the other hand, US destroying Russian pipeline are probably the stupidest thing on earth. Because eventually they would have to pay for that if the American want to supply gas to EU.

On the other hand. US will replace Russia to be the supplier of oil and gas have no bearing on whether or not NS 1 and NS 2 become functional, that's more of a War in Ukraine reason.

 

[BHAN85]

Yes mi6 the queens agency .

This is M16

This is mi-6, former name of UK foreign secret service and current name of UK secret service in James Bond fantasy movies:

And this is SiS, real current name ok UK Secret Intelligence Service:

I dont understand why people talk about UK when the nearest puppet regime to the blast is Denmark state.

They are all American puppets, just it's a matter of efficience order a task to the nearest slave to the place.

Moreover a Norwegian-Denmark-Poland Baltic pipe was inaugurated the same day than blast.

 

[VCheng]

Noooooo......I just bought a new Mercedes, I want the warranty and part and accessories support as long as I own it.

You can always trade it in for a Cadillac.

 

[SecularNationalist]

This is M16

This is mi-6, former name of UK foreign secret service and current name of UK secret service in James Bond fantasy movies:

And this is SiS, real current name ok UK Secret Intelligence Service:

I dont understand why people talk about UK when the nearest puppet regime to the blast is Denmark state.

They are all American puppets, just it's a matter of efficience order a task to the nearest slave to the place.

Moreover a Norwegian-Denmark-Poland Baltic pipe was inaugurated the same day than blast.

Close or far doesn't matter. Sometimes different agencies have different specialties.

 

[BHAN85]

Close or far doesn't matter. Sometimes different agencies have different specialties.

UK is not EU member.

From a empire domination point of view, it's better fo USA order the sabotage to a neighbor of Germany, like Denmark.

USA as empire hub, wants good relations with every vassals but doesnt want good relations between their vassals. You know "divide and rule".

So likely if it's was ordered by USA, it was done by Denmark.

But maybe it was Russia, or Ukraine.

 

[Meengla]

Let me correct your statement that the price of natural gas in Europe has risen to $200, not in other countries.

China, USA and other countries have access to cheap natural gas.

Which country does Europe buy natural gas from? USA!


BTW: In fact, you know who did it, but you pretend you don't. We know who did it, but you pretend we don't. You try to find an excuse to cover up your sovereignty and be raped by your allies, but this will only bring more ridicule. Because you know we all know.

Well said!!

So... even very popular mainstream media in America are into the 'conspiracy theories' about the 'sabotage' of the Russian natural gas supplies to Europe. If Europeans are still blind to this almost-certain America-backed sabotage then what can you say??

 

[Viet]

Because the USA is your ally, you think the USA will not attack you.

Has the USA attacked its allies very rarely?


BTW: USA is your ally, but you are not an ally of the USA. You are a colony of the USA.

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Kissinger? Is he not the man who recommends Ukraine to surrender territories to Russia because Ukraine has no chance?

 

[tower9]

UK is not EU member.

From a empire domination point of view, it's better fo USA order the sabotage to a neighbor of Germany, like Denmark.

USA as empire hub, wants good relations with every vassals but doesnt want good relations between their vassals. You know "divide and rule".

So likely if it's was ordered by USA, it was done by Denmark.

But maybe it was Russia, or Ukraine.

It was done by the US navy. There was a US naval maneuver in those waters practicing deep sea dives and using underwater drones and explosives. During the time of the blast, US naval assets were in the vicinity. So put two and two together. Whether Denmark knew about it, I don’t know, but it’s clear the US special forces most likely did the job as they were present.

Like :
Geopolitical :
1. Ensuring the Russians will no longer have any carrot / leverage in any future negotiations with EU / Germany.. Lessening the possibility that Germany will negotiate or pressure the US / Ukraine to negotiate with Russia in the coming winter or beyond.
2. Ensuring that the EU states can no longer change their mind regarding not using Russian gas, even if under pressure from their own populace and industry.
3. Ensuring that any future gas export (after the war settles and peace returns) from Russia will have to pass to through Ukraine / Baltic states, paying billions of $ for transit fees.
4. Showing the world that the US "walks the talk" when declaring the US can and will stop the NS2 from delivering.
5. Personally humiliating Putin, as NS2 was his dear pet project and deterring the EU from even considering similar projects (with any country) without US approval in the future.

Economic :
1. US will replace Russia as the main energy exporter to EU, ensuring additional billions of profit for US gas, oil, shale industries.. at least for the short to medium term.
2. Energy intensive EU industries will run out of steam (literally), forcing them to wind down, close or relocate offshore where energy are plentiful and prices are low... potentially receiving the relocated EU industries into the US...
3. Decrease global competitiveness of EU industries and products due to high energy prices... Would Airbus planes cost much more now...? Perhaps that can help Boeing that's not performing too well lately..?

With the coming winter and energy hardships / rationing, the European resolve may begin to falter in the face of cheap Russian gas dangling in front of their eyes.. especially if this winter turns out to be harsher than usual and their population angrier... By crippling NS1 & NS2 that carrot is no longer available... thus the US gains all the benefits from this sabotage while the cost are practically nothing...

This is so obvious so anybody blindly pretending not to see it must be doing some gold medal tier mental gymnastics.

 

[BHAN85]

Well said!!

So... even very popular mainstream media in America are into the 'conspiracy theories' about the 'sabotage' of the Russian natural gas supplies to Europe. If Europeans are still blind to this almost-certain America-backed sabotage then what can you say??

Childish question.

It depends about insurances (likely Western companies) and Russian new deals with China to sell natural gas.

But Kremlin doesnts appear concerned about the lost of pipeline.

https://tass.com/politics/1514741

"This is a big problem for us. Both lines of Nord Stream 2 are filled with gas, the entire system is ready to pump gas, and this gas is very expensive," Peskov specified

Kremlin words.

They are concerned about gas lost, they are not concerned about pipelines lost.

They must know why better than us (insurances, or whatever).

It was done by the US navy. There was a US naval maneuver in those waters practicing deep sea dives and using underwater drones and explosives. During the time of the blast, US naval assets were in the vicinity. So put two and two together. Whether Denmark knew about it, I don’t know, but it’s clear the US special forces most likely did the job as they were present.


This is so obvious so anybody blindly pretending not to see it must be doing some gold medal tier mental gymnastics.

Give some source about your claim.

From a empire rule interests point of view, it's better create bad relatins between Denmark and Germany, than between USA and Germany.

That's how works when a false flag happen in some American vassal land, often it was made by the nearest vassal neighbor.

 

[kingQamaR]

Why do some people on here think America is some kind of bright star that would never do wrong or create chaos

 

[Avicenna]

Why do some people on here think America is some kind of bright star that would never do wrong or create chaos

American exceptionalism of course!

 

[tower9]

Childish question.

It depends about insurances (likely Western companies) and Russian new deals with China to sell natural gas.

But Kremlin doesnts appear concerned about the lost of pipeline.

https://tass.com/politics/1514741

Kremlin words.

They are concerned about gas lost, they are not concerned about pipelines lost.

They must know why better than us (insurances, or whatever).


Give some source about your claim.

From a empire rule interests point of view, it's better create bad relatins between Denmark and Germany, than between USA and Germany.

That's how works when a false flag happen in some American vassal land, often it was made by the nearest vassal neighbor.

Here is a link to an article detailing a naval practice right in the area, Bornholm, off Denmark which tested new underwater equipment and tactics back in the summer.

BALTOPS 22: A Perfect Opportunity for Research and Resting New Technology - Seapower

BALTIC SEA — A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa...

seapowermagazine.org

I had also read somewhere that US naval assets were tracked in the area right at the time of the explosions and a US naval plane’s flight pattern directly coincided geographically at the time of the explosions. Too lazy to look for it now.

Of course all of this is hard to take for most Europeans. It’s easier to just blame the attack on someone you were trained to hate, instead of taking the hard pill and admitting that you are being abused by someone who was supposed to protect you. This is the same reason why abused wives sometimes pretend their husbands aren’t having affairs, because it’s very difficult destroying the peace and disrupting your dependencies.

 

[MH.Yang]

Here is a link to an article detailing a naval practice right in the area, Bornholm, off Denmark which tested new underwater equipment and tactics back in the summer.

BALTOPS 22: A Perfect Opportunity for Research and Resting New Technology - Seapower

BALTIC SEA — A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa...

seapowermagazine.org

I had also read somewhere that US naval assets were tracked in the area right at the time of the explosions and a US naval plane’s flight pattern directly coincided geographically at the time of the explosions. Too lazy to look for it now.

Of course all of this is hard to take for most Europeans. It’s easier to just blame the attack on someone you were trained to hate, instead of taking the hard pill and admitting that you are being abused by someone who was supposed to protect you. This is the same reason why abused wives sometimes pretend their husbands aren’t having affairs, because it’s very difficult destroying the peace and disrupting your dependencies.

Europeans always forget that the biggest enemy of the dollar is the euro.



The most ridiculous thing about this is that Germans dare not blame Americans, because they can only rely on American natural gas in the future.

Germans must accuse Russia of doing that, when the world knows the truth, and then bear greater humiliation and ridicule.

 

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I cant agree more! No one benefits from this other than USA.

Its not some random terrorist diving into frigid Baltic waters to bomb a pipeline. This is a state sponsored sabotage.

USA is using Ukraine to fight Russia and Ukraine will be the net loser.

Did not expect this but in this war, Germany will be the net loser economically. It was the biggest consumer of relatively cheap Russian gas, essential for its economy which is biggest in Europe and engine of the EU.