Russia and Germany Eye Project-75I , Battle Heats Up

[SQ8]

At this point the best option still remains Scorpene despite the horrendous delays in the program. The savings within training in logistics will far outweigh any fleecing the French have in mind. The U-214,Amur and the S-1000 all work on fuel cells. Now the U-214 is as mentioned before a work of art, but also very expensive to keep and maintain. So unless India changes its mind entirely to focus on fuel cell technology(and then yet again learn another logistical headache having to keep both the existing scorpenes with their ethanol system and then fuel cells(provided India opts for MESMA at a later stage).
There is not much known about the indigenous AIP DRDO is developing but it would make sense to continue it on any sub of the Project 75I acquisition( now that it is NOT an indigenous platform). Knowing that at this stage India now has engineers and workers who have the know how to construct a Scorpene sub, it would clearly speed up the modernization process to continue the class.

 

[axisofevil]

Depends really on the AIP technology India wishes to go with. The Germans have the higher tech but more maintenance intensive fuel cell system.. the Swedes have the simplest Stirling Cycle.. and the Scorpenes offer commonality.

I agree Sweden has the best AIP system

 

[SQ8]

Nope.... in fact we have not produced a single ship that is completely indigenous.... and actually, almost no one in the world does that these days....

The Russians do, the Americans do.. apart from them the French do it.. and then there are the oddballs the Swedes....and even the Turks came up with it. And would you not know it, the South Koreans have come up with it.
Yes, smaller sub systems come from here and there but as such these countries have been designing for a while now.
So it just a matter of how much attention was paid to it. Leave the old timers aside..South Korea focused on a vibrant ship building industry much earlier and now is reaping the dividends.

What you do really need to highlight is that very few countries are able to produce a submersible vessel of respectable combat capability on their own.

 

[Agent_47]

At this point the best option still remains Scorpene despite the horrendous delays in the program. The savings within training in logistics will far outweigh any fleecing the French have in mind. The U-214,Amur and the S-1000 all work on fuel cells. Now the U-214 is as mentioned before a work of art, but also very expensive to keep and maintain. So unless India changes its mind entirely to focus on fuel cell technology(and then yet again learn another logistical headache having to keep both the existing scorpenes with their ethanol system and then fuel cells(provided India opts for MESMA at a later stage).
There is not much known about the indigenous AIP DRDO is developing but it would make sense to continue it on any sub of the Project 75I acquisition( now that it is NOT an indigenous platform). Knowing that at this stage India now has engineers and workers who have the know how to construct a Scorpene sub, it would clearly speed up the modernization process to continue the class.

The activities related to Pre Production Flo Model (PPFM) hardware system, control system for PPFM and 300 kW simulated load facility to test PPFM have been completed this year. Hydrogen generation prototype has also been integrated and tested

Source: DRDO programs update (2013-14)

 

[sathya]

Knowing French , I wouldn't be surprised if they ask for more than double of the previous tender...

Still we might order some more, after the initial order is finished..

Again idea of developing private industry won't gain if scorpene is selected because it means Mazagon shipyard will do the work.
I am not sure who ll be the Dark Horse ..,

Russia already said it ll export Amur to China.
Scorpene means no gain for private players
U 214 has issues as well
S 80 - none deployed so far to assess

 

[GR!FF!N]

I think it'll be better to invite Japan too..Soryu Class is and its successor class will be highly advanced.

abut Type-214,there were some problems Greek and SK faced.but I think all problems are resolved now.Type-214 is infact one of the best among all the subs mentioned.

by the way,I've heard it'll be Type 216 which will participate and not Type 214.

Type 216 / U-216 Conventional Submarine (SSK)

ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

We should go for type 216 Conventional Submarine as Israel too (Type U212 upgraded as per Israeli requirement) has it and some of their technology inserted.

 

[sathya]

if type 216 HDW , diesel Barracuda , soryu enters the competition

Then interesting times ahead..