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Buzz of $430 billion loss; top banker defection freaks out China


For global market that are perpetually bracing for bad news, the bombshell of epic proportions was dropped overnight. It came in the form of a sensational rumour that China’s top central banker, Zhou Xiaochuan, had defected overseas to escape punishment after the bank registered a $430 billion (Rs 20.24 lakh crore) loss on its US bonds portfolio.

Global intelligence analysis group Stratfor controversially went public with the rumour, citing Chinese-language reports on the Internet.

“Rumours have circulated in China that People’s Bank of China (PBoC) governor Zhou Xiaochuan may have left the country,” it said. It claimed that it had no independent confirmation of the rumour, but nevertheless felt that “release of this rumour and its dispersion throughout the public is significant” — given the frightful consequences for global markets, particularly the US Treasury market, if it was confirmed as true.

The rumour was disproved within a few hours.PBoC deputy governor Hu Xiaolian said, “They say that Governor Zhou has fled… But in actual fact Zhou was chairing a PBoC meeting.” Earlier, the PBoC’s website put up photographs of Zhou addressing a meeting in Beijing on Monday, and interacting with visiting Japanese finance ministry officials. That meeting was independently confirmed by Japanese officials.

But by then, the sensational “news” had being picked up by overseas financial blogs and — in some cases - the mainstream media.

“My first response was: WTF!,” a Chinese banker with a foreign bank said in Hong Kong on Tuesday. “In a perverse sort of way, it’s the kind of thing that sounds plausible in China, even in this day and age.”

The broader market, too, was spooked: the one-month repo rate shot up by nearly 50%.

The rumour sounded all the more plausible because the original Chinese-language “news” report was attributed to Ming Pao, a credible Hong Kong-based Chinese-language newspaper with a reputation for rigorous journalism. But Ming Pao put out a statement saying that the report attributed to it was a “fabrication”, and that it had alerted Hong Kong police and mainland Chinese authorities.

It’s hard to get a sense of who might have initiated the rumour, and why. There’s been some speculation that the rumour may have been initiated by a fund manager who had been wrongsided by the market — or a foreign intelligence agency. In its initial report, Stratfor said the rumoured “defection” might have been related to a power tussle within the Chinese Communist Party ahead of a leadership transition in 2012.

“Zhou is known to have lofty political ambitions and is believed to be a close ally to former Chinese President Jiang Zemin.” There had, it noted, been “no shortage of rumours about Zhou’s possible dismissal in the past five years.”

The reported loss — an estimated $430 billion — also sounded abnormally high, given that it would have accounted for a substantial proportion of China’s official reserves. In published media comments, Stratfor chief executive George Friedman said he was “less concerned” about the number and the specific charges than the politics of a senior banker clearly under attack without the government stepping in and backing him.”

But former investment banker and media columnist Jake van der Kamp points out, citing CEIC data, that there is, indeed, a $450 billion gap between the actual dollar value of the PBoC foreign reserves - $2.45 trillion - and the US dollar equivalent of the yuan value at which the PBoC carries the reserves on its books - $2.91 trillion.

That gap - $450 billion - is about 140 times the issued capital of the PBoC. “If this were a normal commercial bank, its directors would now be in jail having negligently continued operations over several years while knowing being woefully insolvent,” but since it’s a central bank, it can print the money, he adds.

How that shortfall is reconciled, and whether any officials will be held accountable for mismanagement, is the story for another day. For today, however, the ‘bombshell’ is a reminder of the “low levels of transparency” that apply in China - and how “even the impossible can be possible,” says the Chinese banker.

CNBC senior editor John Carney proclaimed he had “officially joined the camp of China pessimists and that further that China’s drawdown of US Treasuries perhaps indicates “a domestic crisis brewing rather than a problem with the US economy.”


Buzz of $430 billion loss; top banker defection freaks out China - Money - DNA
 
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The rumour was disproved within a few hours.

These stupid rumour-spreading prats... 真是王八.

Let us check who has been "betting against the markets" (i.e. shorting/hedging)... let us see who profited the most from this stupid rumour. That may be the culprit.
 
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China denies central bank chief has fled

BEIJING — China on Tuesday denied rumours that the country's central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan had fled after the bank posted huge bond losses, a report said.

Several Chinese websites reported Monday that the People's Bank of China had incurred a 430-billion-dollar loss on bonds from US mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and that Beijing might punish some people including Zhou.

The websites cited the Ming Pao Daily as their source, but the Hong Kong newspaper denied publishing any such articles, Dow Jones Newswires reported.

The reports fuelled rumours among Chinese Internet users that Zhou had left the country.

"They say that Governor Zhou has fled...," said central bank deputy governor Hu Xiaolian. "But in actual fact Zhou was chairing a PBOC meeting."

Chinese shares were down 0.44 percent in afternoon trade.

"Usually market volatility is in response to economic news, data or analysis. People will speculate on such factors. But to speculate on this sort of thing is extremely abnormal," Hu said.

The central bank was at pains to prove Zhou was at work, issuing two statements Monday with photos of the PBOC governor meeting with a Japanese official and a former Italian official.

The Ming Pao Daily said its "editorial department clarifies that it hasn't made any such report, and it strongly condemns the act of using Ming Pao's name to spread false information."

The newspaper said it had reported the incident to the Hong Kong police and mainland authorities.

The central bank declined to comment on the report when contacted by AFP.

AFP: China denies central bank chief has fled
 
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What's this?

真是王八.

and this?

I'm just saying, whoever started this rumour is a "real bastard".

I don't know if they did it to make some money out of shorting/hedging... or if they are just trying to hurt the country.
 
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What's this?


真是王八.


and this?

The phrase "King Eight" (literal translation) is a Chinese coloquial phrase for the Chinese softshelled turtle. As a curseword it means "illegitimate child" (the filter probably won't let me show the other word) and ranks pretty high up as a curseword. I think Chinese-dragon used it to evade the filter as well :D.

If you are interested in learning more Chinese curse words/slangs you should watch a Sci-Fi series called Serenity. They use a lot of Chinese phrases as a substitute for English cursewords to evade the censors.
 
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I'm just saying, whoever started this rumour is a "real bastard".

I don't know if they did it to make some money out of shorting/hedging... or if they are just trying to hurt the country.

I don't think their motives are that sinister. A lot of people are just out there to make a name for themselves and will resort to sensationalism. For an example of this see how yellow journalism led to the Spanish American War. For a more recent example you can look at the NY Times editorial on how China was stationing 11,000 troops in Pakistani-Kashmir.
 
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I'm just saying, whoever started this rumour is a "real bastard".

I don't know if they did it to make some money out of shorting/hedging... or if they are just trying to hurt the country.

If possible, can you shed some more light on the below?

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that there is, indeed, a $450 billion gap between the actual dollar value of the PBoC foreign reserves - $2.45 trillion - and the US dollar equivalent of the yuan value at which the PBoC carries the reserves on its books - $2.91 trillion.
 
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The phrase "King Eight" (literal translation) is a Chinese coloquial phrase for the Chinese softshelled turtle. As a curseword it means "illegitimate child" (the filter probably won't let me show the other word) and ranks pretty high up as a curseword. I think Chinese-dragon used it to evade the filter as well :D.

If you are interested in learning more Chinese curse words/slangs you should watch a Sci-Fi series called Serenity. They use a lot of Chinese phrases as a substitute for English cursewords to evade the censors.

So who is this being directed to?

The article writer or the thread initiator.

(Mind you, I have my Bollywood bad words as well :) )
 
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So who is this being directed to?

The article writer or the thread initiator.

(Mind you, I have my Bollywood bad words as well :) )

I was directing it towards the person who originally started the rumour, who's identity is currently unknown.

Not you Markus. You're one of my favourite posters actually. :D
 
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