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RSS Planned To Kill Indian Army Chief – CIA Docs

your economy was booming during ayub days because of dollars and wheat gifted by amrika .
and in 71 we were internationally alone, USA already did put banned of defense purchase on Pakistan, you're sick man, go read the history of subcontinent from neutral sources than come here to troll
 
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Nothing new. This caste schism is known. We have other threads on this forum discussing this. What is perplexing is the attempt by the Ambedkarites to present Anti-Brahminism as a form of secularism, or a pro-Muslim/Minority stance.
Muslims and minority groups in their ignorance blindly support Anti-Brahminism thinking that all Brahmins are bad for them.
In fact nothing could be further from the truth. Ambedkar was as anti-Muslim and communal as his contemporary M. S. Golwalkar. He just didn't see Golwalkar's attempt to brush the caste schism in the Hindu society under the carpet in the name of Hindu Unity against Muslims. For Ambedkar Muslims were as disgusting as Brahmins.
For the record secular Brahmins have always stood for the rights of the Muslims, Indira Gandhi, Nehru, Jyoti Basu, Mamta Bannerjee, H. N. Bahuguna, Jagannath Mishra, ...Narasimha Rao, to name just a few of the thousands of Brahmins who have stood by to protect and help Muslims in the teeth of fascist opposition from their extremist counterparts. The Dalit leaders couldn't be bothered about Muslims short of expected praise from them.
Army officers getting assassinated is also not new in India. Ex-Chief of Army Staff A. S. Vaidya , was assassinated by Sikh militants and so were at least one more Major General, Brigadier, and senior Army officers during the Sikh Indian Army Mutiny of 1984.

Saying dalits did not bother about muslims is like complaining african americans who were fighting for their own freedom from slavery were not nice to italian or irish immigrants. Brahmins had power and the options to be nice or venal - most chose to be venal though some played nice just to be safe. Very few were genuinely nice. No system which explicitily encourages birth based classification of their own society can be nice.

Brahminism should end because it is evil. Calculating how much benefit or harm for muslims is irrelevant. I dont think muslims or islam are so weak or immoral that they need to play games when faced with unadulterated evil.
 
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Nothing surprising here.
RSS was against independence from its earliest days.

Savarkar’s idea of Hindutva, founded the RSS in September 1925. And this organisation, throughout the rest of its life under the British Raj, remained subservient to the colonising power and opposed the mass movements for India’s freedom in every phase of the struggle.

 
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Nothing surprising here.
RSS was against independence from its earliest days.

Savarkar’s idea of Hindutva, founded the RSS in September 1925. And this organisation, throughout the rest of its life under the British Raj, remained subservient to the colonising power and opposed the mass movements for India’s freedom in every phase of the struggle.


rss is patriotic organisation .it came up as a resistance to muslim persecution of hindus and occupation of hindu lands by muslims .
 
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rss is patriotic organisation .it came up as a resistance to muslim persecution of hindus and occupation of hindu lands by muslims .

Since when RSS was pro-independence

By the end of the decade in December 1940, when Gandhi had launched the satyagraha for Quit India, a note from the home department of the colonial government reveals that RSS leaders met the secretary of the home department and “promised the secretary to encourage members of the Sangh to join the civic guards in greater numbers,”. The civic guards was set up by the imperial government as one of the “special measures for internal security.”


RSS supporting the British Raj !
 
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Since when RSS was pro-independence

By the end of the decade in December 1940, when Gandhi had launched the satyagraha for Quit India, a note from the home department of the colonial government reveals that RSS leaders met the secretary of the home department and “promised the secretary to encourage members of the Sangh to join the civic guards in greater numbers,”. The civic guards was set up by the imperial government as one of the “special measures for internal security.”


RSS supporting the British Raj !

we were better in british raj , idiots bartered good system with bad system for themselves to rule .
 
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Saying dalits did not bother about muslims is like complaining african americans who were fighting for their own freedom from slavery were not nice to italian or irish immigrants. Brahmins had power and the options to be nice or venal - most chose to be venal though some played nice just to be safe. Very few were genuinely nice. No system which explicitily encourages birth based classification of their own society can be nice.
No one in Pakistan expects Dalits or OBCs to bother about Muslims (or any other minority), nor is anyone from Pakistan complaining . The Pakistan viewpoint is far more realistic than that of the wretched, impoverished, illiterate slum dwelling Indian Muslims who are at the rock bottom of the Indian social structure, (far below the level Dalits ever were).
Obviously the Indian Muslims being 99% illiterate, in their ignorance fall for the Ambedkarite propaganda which targets Brahmins as the sole cause of their plight, when in fact the Dalits and OBCs are the "neo-Brahmins" of today claiming all the privileges of jobs, education, and economic opportunities for themselves.
Dalits and OBCs have only been in the government job appropriation business, and never into job creation or self employment either for themselves or others. Minority entrepreneurs like Parsis or GujaratI Muslims create jobs not just for their own community but for others as well. This holds true for Brahmin entrepreneurs as well who have been generous in employment of minorities in their firms.
Pakistanis see Dalits exactly the way they are, just one more group in a melee jostling for a slice of the diminishing government job pie In India.
It is Dalits ( Ambedkarites) who expect other minorities to automatically support their electoral and caste politics against "Brahmin rule". The caste schism within the Hindu fabric has little meaning for those on the receiving end from both groups. The French colonialists were Catholic Christians and the British were Anglican Protestants. To the victims of colonialism the cruel oppression, and massacres were just as severe. We in Pakistan watch with detached interest at the transformation of India.
Brahminism should end because it is evil. Calculating how much benefit or harm for muslims is irrelevant. I dont think muslims or islam are so weak or immoral that they need to play games when faced with unadulterated evil.
Whether Brahminism ends or not in India is irrelevant to Pakistan. We are not going to assume that the theory "Brahminism is evil" is correct, when the vast majority of Brahmins in India have been very secular, and accommodating towards minorities especially Muslims. The vicious communal anti-Muslim environment in India has developed only after the rise of Dalit and OBC politics. Muslims become a convenient scapegoat and diversion from Indian societies own caste squabbles. The Ram Temple movement was a direct result of the "Mandal" politics seeking further representation of OBCs in government jobs.
The current anti- Muslim hysteria in India is not being led by Brahmins but by OBCs and Dalits and for that matter so is India's foreign policy towards Pakistan.

There is a fine difference between Brahmins, and we are intelligent enough to know that we can't tar them with the same brush. Only a very small percentage of Brahmins are anti-Muslim or even antagonistic towards Pakistan.
The Saraswat and Chitpawan Brahmins of Maharashtra are the core elements of the RSS along with a tiny minority of UP or Uttarkhand Brahmins. Their anti Muslim rhetoric is well known though even within the RSS you have Brahmins like Atal Bihari Vajpayee who was exceedingly soft in practice towards both Muslims and Pakistan.
There are Bengali Brahmins like Amartya Sen, Mamta Bannerjee, Siddharth Shankar Roy; Jyoti Basu; Tamil Brahmins like Mani Shankar Aiyyar, Telugu Brahmins like Narasimha Rao; Malayali Namboodris like Shashi Tharoor; Kannada Brahmins like Devraj Urs, and R.K. Hegde; Mathili Brahmins like Jagannath Mishra; Uttarkhand Brahmins like H.N. Bahuguna, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Gujarati Brahmins like Morarji Desai, Orrissa Brahmins like Biju Patnaik, Marxist Brahmins like Rajeshwar Rao, and S.A.Dange. Then of course there are the Kashmiri Pundit Brahmins like Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Dixit, etc.
The secular credentials of these Brahmins is unquestionable as has been their desire to find some sort of lasting peace with Pakistan. Which is what we are concerned with.
As for the rest....you can continue to fool the illiterate Indian Muslims.Their
fate is sealed anyway, but we Pakistanis were all " Indian Muslims " once, so a portion of us must perish for the rest of us to survive as Pakistanis. Indian Muslims can convert to become the new Dalits or quietly walk into the concentration camps... concentration camps run by OBCs and Dalits.
 
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No one in Pakistan expects Dalits or OBCs to bother about Muslims (or any other minority), nor is anyone from Pakistan complaining . The Pakistan viewpoint is far more realistic than that of the wretched, impoverished, illiterate slum dwelling Indian Muslims who are at the rock bottom of the Indian social structure, (far below the level Dalits ever were).
Obviously the Indian Muslims being 99% illiterate, in their ignorance fall for the Ambedkarite propaganda which targets Brahmins as the sole cause of their plight, when in fact the Dalits and OBCs are the "neo-Brahmins" of today claiming all the privileges of jobs, education, and economic opportunities for themselves.
Dalits and OBCs have only been in the government job appropriation business, and never into job creation or self employment either for themselves or others. Minority entrepreneurs like Parsis or GujaratI Muslims create jobs not just for their own community but for others as well. This holds true for Brahmin entrepreneurs as well who have been generous in employment of minorities in their firms.
Pakistanis see Dalits exactly the way they are, just one more group in a melee jostling for a slice of the diminishing government job pie In India.
It is Dalits ( Ambedkarites) who expect other minorities to automatically support their electoral and caste politics against "Brahmin rule". The caste schism within the Hindu fabric has little meaning for those on the receiving end from both groups. The French colonialists were Catholic Christians and the British were Anglican Protestants. To the victims of colonialism the cruel oppression, and massacres were just as severe. We in Pakistan watch with detached interest at the transformation of India.

Whether Brahminism ends or not in India is irrelevant to Pakistan. We are not going to assume that the theory "Brahminism is evil" is correct, when the vast majority of Brahmins in India have been very secular, and accommodating towards minorities especially Muslims. The vicious communal anti-Muslim environment in India has developed only after the rise of Dalit and OBC politics. Muslims become a convenient scapegoat and diversion from Indian societies own caste squabbles. The Ram Temple movement was a direct result of the "Mandal" politics seeking further representation of OBCs in government jobs.
The current anti- Muslim hysteria in India is not being led by Brahmins but by OBCs and Dalits and for that matter so is India's foreign policy towards Pakistan.

There is a fine difference between Brahmins, and we are intelligent enough to know that we can't tar them with the same brush. Only a very small percentage of Brahmins are anti-Muslim or even antagonistic towards Pakistan.
The Saraswat and Chitpawan Brahmins of Maharashtra are the core elements of the RSS along with a tiny minority of UP or Uttarkhand Brahmins. Their anti Muslim rhetoric is well known though even within the RSS you have Brahmins like Atal Bihari Vajpayee who was exceedingly soft in practice towards both Muslims and Pakistan.
There are Bengali Brahmins like Amartya Sen, Mamta Bannerjee, Siddharth Shankar Roy; Jyoti Basu; Tamil Brahmins like Mani Shankar Aiyyar, Telugu Brahmins like Narasimha Rao; Malayali Namboodris like Shashi Tharoor; Kannada Brahmins like Devraj Urs, and R.K. Hegde; Mathili Brahmins like Jagannath Mishra; Uttarkhand Brahmins like H.N. Bahuguna, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Gujarati Brahmins like Morarji Desai, Orrissa Brahmins like Biju Patnaik, Marxist Brahmins like Rajeshwar Rao, and S.A.Dange. Then of course there are the Kashmiri Pundit Brahmins like Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Dixit, etc.
The secular credentials of these Brahmins is unquestionable as has been their desire to find some sort of lasting peace with Pakistan. Which is what we are concerned with.
As for the rest....you can continue to fool the illiterate Indian Muslims.Their
fate is sealed anyway, but we Pakistanis were all " Indian Muslims " once, so a portion of us must perish for the rest of us to survive as Pakistanis. Indian Muslims can convert to become the new Dalits or quietly walk into the concentration camps... concentration camps run by OBCs and Dalits.

You are talking as if indian muslims had a choice to align with brahmins/banias and enjoy all the spoils but chose to walk away and align with oppressed classes. Is that realistic? do you think brahmins/banias are so willing to share the spoils with muslims?! And secondly it is completely false.

As a matter of fact Muslims completely supported congress which is led by brahmins. They moved away only when the writing on the wall became clear - congress liberal brahmins will use them for electoral politics and sanghi brahmins will not hesitate to drink their blood.

Every major riot and massacre in india against muslims happened under congress/bjp rule which are led by brahmins. As a matter of fact whenver regional parties rule - whether in south or samajwadi party /janata dal party etc muslims were atleast physically safe.

Well lets begin with basics of caste- there are no OBC, Dalits without the brahmin. Nobody will like to belong to an oppressed caste or category they are forced in to it. So if you want to solve OBC, Dalit problem you got to solve the brahmin first - thats commonsense.

And even now dalits are treated as untouchables in vast rural india. So It is hilarious you expect dalits/obc to provide jobs to muslims when they themselves barely get by. Anti-muslims hysteria was whipped up by RSS (always headed by a brahmin except once when it was headed by a thakur) is a reaction against OBC assertion including mandal. not caused by OBC assertion. You will see RSS brahmins heading in to tribal areas painting muslims as their enemy - pretending to be sacred as they only can - but they have not intent to marry in to them or acutally have solidarity with them.

Saying Vajpayee had a soft voice is rubbish - he is part of RSS . Not every racist/fascist comes with two horns on their head. Morover you dont need every brahmin to be fascist for them to profit by a fascist system. Just like you can find soft spoken whites in south african apartheid or during slavery you can find them in brahmins.

In the end there is a strucure in india which favors opressed castes - brahmins/banias/thakurs etc. And these people have used this to inflict untold miseries on others - OBC, dalits, tribals, muslims (whenever muslims lacked political power). The first thing as human to do is oppose structures like caste system. One must have the moral courage to do the right thing and have the faith that being right also makes one strong.

Trying to take equivocal stand on an obviously evil rotten hierarchical system under the clause "detached" primarily immoral. No one is expecting pakistanis to wage war on behalf of obc, dalits. Did obc/dalit ask for that ? but it is basic decency of a man to support opressed and stand up against oppressive systems.
 
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