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An RSS-backed organisation of genealogists is undertaking an ambitious academic exercise to prove that most Muslims in India are converts from Hinduism, a move that has met with robust scepticism from some social scientists and Islamic scholars.

The Akhil Bharatiya Vanshawali Sanrakshan evum Samvardhan Sansthan (ABVSSS) says it will use oral interviews, historical records, genetic analysis and other genealogical documents to prove its theory which, in turn, can help bridge social divides.

Genealogy is the study of families and tracing of ancestries to prove kinship and pedigrees and is considered by many as an inexact science. In India, genealogical records are legally tenable.

The effort was agreed upon at a one-day national conference of genealogists held in the city on Monday. It is being patronised by Ram Prasad, the founder of ABVSSS, who says all Muslims and Christians in India are converts.

“Ask any one of them about their lineage and their ancestors would be Hindu at some point of time,” he said.

“I interacted with a number of Meo Muslims and they accepted facts about their conversion. And it was on the basis of their vanshawalis (genealogical records).”

If the ancestral roots of Indian Muslims and Christians were dug deeper, claims Prasad, their exact origin and lineage could be found in some Hindu caste or community.

But many believe such efforts are part of a wider ideological shift being pushed by Hindutva groups seeking to rewrite Indian history and social narratives.

One such sceptic of Prasad’s genealogical proposal is Rajiv Gupta, ex-head of sociology department at University of Rajasthan who believes the information could be misused by “right wing forces” to create division.

“It is an important danger. It can be used to rewrite history which may disturb (the) secular and social fabric of the country,” cautioned Gupta, while maintaining that gaining unbiased ancestral knowledge is good.

Prasad, a Jaipur based RSS pracharak, said he first came across the possibility that all Indian Muslims are converts when he visited a mosque at Gulpada area of Bharatpur district in 2007.

“There I asked Meos about their ancestry and many of them accepted their ancestors were Meenas (a Hindu community in eastern Rajasthan). Now Meos and Meenas have developed more social acceptance in that region,” he said.

Prasad founded the ABVSSS in 2009 to further study genealogy and the organisation has been expanding ever since.

Dr Sukhdev Rao, a genealogy writer and general secretary of the organisation, says a majority of Muslims in Rajasthan and its neighbouring states have started accepting their roots and it is leading to social bonding.

Prasad’s organisation has already started the process to digitise genealogy records of a cross section of the population to preserve them for future generations. The organisation has formed units in 11 states and has even established a youth wing to carry forward its work on the origins of Muslims and Christians in India.

For now, the reaction from the Muslim community appears to be mixed.

“It is a fact that majority of Muslims are converted in India. Knowing history generates awareness but intention of the organisation (ABVSSS) should be clear,” said Mohd Iqbal Siddiqui, the media secretary of Jamat-e-Islami-Hind.

“We welcome them if they want to create social harmony through genealogy.”


RSS body seeks to prove Indian Muslims are Hindus - Hindustan Times
 
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An RSS-backed organisation of genealogists is undertaking an ambitious academic exercise to prove that most Muslims in India are converts from Hinduism, a move that has met with robust scepticism from some social scientists and Islamic scholars.

What other way would there be? Converts from Buddhism/Jainism? I doubt there were lot of atheists 1000 year ago.
 
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I'm proud that some of my ancestors were Hindus. Past doesn't matter what matters is how you live your life. You could be a descendant of a Prophet but that will not guarantee you anything.

All Indians were Hindus

How far back do you want to go? Vedic religion was brought by invaders from Central Asia.
 
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What other way would there be? Converts from Buddhism/Jainism? I doubt there were lot of atheists 1000 year ago.

Claims and efforts by the vested interests especially foreign agents and agencies caused the rise of the peoples like Yasin Bhatkal,Tunda etc.Such vested interests used foreign ancestry theory to create tensions among muslims.
But Buddhists,Jains or athesits dont have any such problem.
On topic.Good for bilogical science and if they implemented it properly very good for social bonding and harmony
 
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I'm proud that some of my ancestors were Hindus. Past doesn't matter what matters is how you live your life. You could be a descendant of a Prophet but that will not guarantee you anything.



How far back do you want to go? Vedic religion was brought by invaders from Central Asia.
Wrong.Yavanas and Kambojas didnt bring anything.
Vedic knowledge is a contribution of our sub continent.Not outsiders.
 
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If they are willing to make efforts, make up a dna database of entire country. Would help in forensics/census.

How far back do you want to go? Vedic religion was brought by invaders from Central Asia.
Which other country followed/had vedic religion?
 
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The people who founded the religion were foreign invaders.
If they were foreigners bringing in religion, there should be some traces left of that religion in there native land. That is what my question was, which other country had any similar religion. If you say icon worshiping, than almost all countries worshiped icons - the Harappan were iconoclast.
 
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Okay, if that's what you say.



The people who founded the religion were foreign invaders.

Dude you should read the book wrote in 2century BC.Manusmriti.Hinduism is a way of life not a religion like that of Abrahamic religion.
The invaders that pointed in here was once expelled from Subcontinent because of their barbaric method.
 
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If they were foreigners bringing in religion, there should be some traces left of that religion in there native land. That is what my question was, which other country had any similar religion. If you say icon worshiping, than almost all countries worshiped icons - the Harappan were iconoclast.

Sorry I should have been clearer. What I meant was that early followers of Vedic religions were foreigners. I was wrong on one point though, Vedic religion definitely started from Northern India not from outside.

Hinduism is a way of life not a religion

What??? Islam is also a way of life not just a religion. I don't understand when Hindus say Hinduism is a way of life.

The invaders that pointed in here was once expelled from Subcontinent because of their barbaric method.

And who were they?

Dude you should read the book wrote in 2century BC.Manusmriti.Hinduism

Is it available online?
 
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I'm proud that some of my ancestors were Hindus. Past doesn't matter what matters is how you live your life. You could be a descendant of a Prophet but that will not guarantee you anything.

How far back do you want to go? Vedic religion was brought by invaders from Central Asia.
Totally incorrect ... Vedic religion was developed in gangetic plains & Indus planes & kept on evolving for centuries inside Indian Subcontinent..
Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Sorry I should have been clearer. What I meant was that early followers of Vedic religions were foreigners. I was wrong on one point though, Vedic religion definitely started from Northern India not from outside.
Do you consider yourself to be foreigner? According to your invader theory, the Harappans were displaced to central India by the invader, that means you are not one of the natives.

What??? Islam is also a way of life not just a religion. I don't understand when Hindus say Hinduism is a way of life.
In Islam your way of life is dictated by religion. In Hinduism, culture and religion mixed over centuries as both evolved in parallel.
 
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Totally incorrect ... Vedic religion was developed in gangetic plains & Indus planes kept on evolving for centuries inside India Subcontinent..
Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, I all ready said I was wrong to say Vedic religion came from outside. I meant the people who were following that particular religion were foreigners who then spread the religion into rest of India.

In Islam your way of life is dictated by religion. In Hinduism, culture and religion mixed over centuries as both evolved in parallel.

Interesting. But Islam is also influenced by different cultures as it spread to different parts of the world. The reason why Hinduism is influenced by local cultures is simply because it is older religion.
 
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