Rs 25k cr Tejas won’t be ready before 2015

[tvsram1992]

DRDO and HAL are blood sucking organization. All are filled with job insecure and incompetent idiots.

Its DRDO who is responsible for your username Please it is not their mistake , do you think incompetent idiots would have assembled foreign aircrafts and succeed in making missiles and military equipment ? Although they lack Human resources , you shouldn't blame them . Why would they fill pockets ? Compare them with politicians who really suck money .

 

[Secur]

1. When our enemies use 4th gen aircrafts after 20-30 years , do you think Tejas will be useless ? More over its primary role is interceptor , so delays cant be said as failure .

2. Ambiguous posts ? I said JV for FGFA is better than scrapping LCA and going for JV to make a LCA like aircraft

3. Buddy you need to educate yourself seriously . I dont know why are you feeling hard to admit your defeat . They are licensed productions not JVs . If so Mki and Rafale would also be JVs JV is some thing like FGFA,Jf17,Brahmos .
You should have seen the links before posting them .

4. Tejas has primary role of CAS and interception which is currently being done by Mig21s . Rafales are not to fill the role of Tejas but to raise the no. of squadrons . We invested in Tejas because we dont want to depend on others . That answers your questions . I dont think you have problem in understanding . Do you ?

5. You believe your reply is wonderful If so you need to check yourself

Next time please quote properly and reply Gd n8 .

Really ? Your potential adversaries are expected to operate 4th Gen fighters even after 2-3 decades from now ? Shall I consider it a brain fart ?

Yeah ambiguous and self refuting ... First you said that JV's result in cheap low quality aircraft and then suddenly bragged about how potent FGFA will be Decide first yourself what does it result in !

Accept my defeat ? You are talking as if LCA Mk2 is in operational service and this is a thread about it ... Yeah , I mistook these aircraft to be JV'ed but still it did give you some experience ... Where did it go , Why wasn't it taken advantage of ?

I am well aware of its roles ...I am just asking a simple question " How come the success of this very project is tied/dependent upon purchase of foreign aircraft ? " ... Even though you do not want to depend on others , you still are the world's largest importer of weapons ... The answer is simple " You are buying replacement for the flying coffins " and just because LCA isn't ready in time , you are forced to procure replacements from around the globe which certainly doesn't paint a good picture for Tejas , now does it ?

I need to check myself ? Was i found trolling here in my first post ?

 

[karan21]

well guys tejas project could be sped up, if we wanted, but we wasted time. lets just say we didnt have any experience in building planes.

kaveri engine has also not done the job it was designed to do so.

But dont forget guys if tejas took 30 yrs to develop, so did dhruv (16 yrs ). but then look at lch which only took 2.5 yrs. the follow on airplanes will be kick *** and much better.. amca will fly on time and so will aura.

now the good news. what we got from tejas which trolls dont know??

1. HALBIT a joint venture owned 55% by india will design world class avionics and is ready to supply when ever we want, we we began tejas we had nothing like that.

2. engine tech, although less powerfull, but a very usefull and tested engine. ready to serve for uavs and ships for navy.

3. indian fly by wire system, tested for now 2000 hrs and no crashes. only handfull of countries can make this. pakistan dont know what it is neither they can make it.

4. over 500 industrial partners ready to supply all equipment within days of requirement.

5. major wind tunnel facilities and many aeronautical institutes.

tejas is not a failure, its a new beginning. pakistanis should be worried about whats coming in the future.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Tejas is not delayed but already a success and progressing to be a low cost and high potential platform. Fighter design is ever evolving process. even after induction, there will be more tests and modifications. The bottom line is we have mastered the technologies required for developing a 4+ gen fighter and we have a robust platform that will go a long way in serving the country.

 

[Black Widow]

NEW DELHI: At a time when the US is fast-developing hypersonic bombers capable of flying at 20 times the speed of sound, India's largely home-grown Tejas light combat aircraft will 'not be ready to go to war' anytime before 2015.

The latest assessment of Tejas, which has now clocked close to 2,000 flights in its almost three-decade-long saga, holds the light-weight fighter will be capable of firing guns, rockets and BVR (beyond visual range) missiles as well as air-to-air refuelling only by 2015 at the earliest, say defence ministry sources. That is when the single-engine Tejas will become fully combat-ready after getting the final operational clearance (FOC). The review suggests that the fighter is again headed to miss a deadline. The project was started in 1983 to replace Mig 21s.

So far, Tejas has achieved only initial operational clearance-I (IOC-I) to certify it's airworthiness. "The IOC-II for the fighter, which also includes integration of some weapons like laser-guided bombs, was pushed back to December 2012. But now, it will only be possible by July, 2013, or so after over 200 more sorties. FOC will come only two years after that,'' said a source.

India will eventually spend over Rs 25,000 crore in the entire Tejas programme, including the naval variant and trainer as well as the failed Kaveri engine, as reported by TOI. But more than the cost, it's the time taken to develop a fully-tested, weapons-ready fighter that underlines how critical defence projects should not be run.

While it is true that developing a supersonic fly-by-wire fighter from scratch was never going to be easy, the entire project could have been managed much better. IAF, on its part, is supporting the fighter programme since it knows the country's need to have indigenous weapon systems is strategically critical.

Rs 25k cr Tejas won’t be ready before 2015 - The Times of India

Some of the comments on this news make interesting reading.

Mach 20 Bomber: We are also working on Hypersonic Brahmos .
LCA TImeline real work start in 90s, so timeline must be started from 1991.
25K crore This include Infrastructor as well, And LCA will be ready soon...

 

[Ammyy]

The bizarre attitude of some Indian members is astonishing, you post an article, they ask for a link, if the source is there, they take out their frustration on Pakistan and China or at best the OP.
Some how the digression, smileys and other icons seems to end up in bringing out their desperate effort to grab onto straws.
Wonder if the link was from a Pakistani or Chinese source...what the reaction would be. !!

Actually we try it by our own that's why till now we are not able to create it.

If we made JV with either Russia, USA, France we can create it long back.

Except engine now we can develop every part of fighter jet within India ...... can you do that????

 

[KRAIT]

I personally think Tejas should be put as banned topic. People just troll on this topic without having any knowledge about it. People don't know it started in 90s then after 98 blasts we were restricted of critical technologies without which we couldn't develop it and its engine at faster rate. Why the hell people don't read about it.

Mods, Elite and Senior members oftenly ask us to go through JF-17 information pool thread before commenting on it and has strict rules on posting articles related in the sticky. Any off topic post gets infraction. Why doesn't they do same with LCA Tejas ?

I don't want to bring your fighter in this thread but lets come to equal ground. Is it so hard for people to practice what they preach?

 

[INDIAISM]

We want too many things but in the end we have to make compromises ... What use is a fighter that cant serve its country , friend ? You admit the problem yourself , the same which I have been telling you guys all along ...



Actually , when 30 years have passed , yes it is ... When the engine program for the same fighter has failed recently , yes it is ... I am talking specifically about Tejas ... Yes it is about need , but is the need for Mig 21 replacement soon not there ?

C'mon Spark we seriously aren't comparing EU with South Asia , are we ?

Buddy that is the thing that you are not understanding.....30 years have passed and in last 30 years India has changed and that's why its requirments have changed.......30 years ago IAF wanted a low cost 4th Gen point defence fighter which could replace Mig 21.....but Post 2005 IAF wanted a Multi role Light Combat Aircraft with state of art tecnology and that is the reason why we have to go LCA Mk2.....

 

[conworldus]

Buddy that is the thing that you are not understanding.....30 years have passed and in last 30 years India has changed and that's why its requirments have changed.......30 years ago IAF wanted a low cost 4th Gen point defence fighter which could replace Mig 21.....but Post 2005 IAF wanted a Multi role Light Combat Aircraft with state of art tecnology and that is the reason why we have to go LCA Mk2.....

Actually, MK3 is already in the pipeline for India to stay on top

Stealth version of India's Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] Tejas, Mk. 3 on the cards - AA Me, IN

So when is MK4 coming out?

 

[kṣamā]

For the latter part , I must tell you that history's not on DRDO's side ... You are free to research though ...

As I said earlier, sir you are not in position to understand the achievements and failures of DRDO bcoz you cannot savor them neither could you understand there importance. I am not saying that the glass is full, but neither am I saying like you that glass is empty. I know I will showered with Kaveri and Arjun. But you will not shove CLAW or FCS. My dear had they never tried they would have never failed. Again I say the same thing, If you are passionate about technology and do not have a clouded judgment then you would see what DRDO (read a third world country in the face of first world) achieved.

what I understood from your post was that LCA was some sort of " poster boy " project or morale booster or PR thingy ... I may have misunderstood ...

Yes in fact you have grossly misunderstood. The one word response would be "Self-reliance". I am sure you have enough gray cells to capitalize the word. And yes JV never gives one true self-reliance.

And I did not say DRDO revised the requirements, I specifically wrote that induction of newer a/c and newer strategies forced IAF to change its initial requirements, hence the delays.

Apart from this I do not have enough energy to argue/discuss with you. Few posters have done amicable job pointing out many points which I have raised earlier. Unlike few ppl I have a job to do tomorrow morn.

 

[k7x]

Guys first and foremost this reporter has vomitted here

His name is Rajath Pandit and his profile says he works as a defense journalist for TOI from 1994. But i have never heard this name so far.

as for as Times of India or times now is concernd i heard Shiv Aror's name more, whom i thought more idotic reporter than this guy... he bashes indian products and take funs trip in sweeden , France on Jets , arms etc. (paid by whome TOI?)..

This guy Rajat didnt get that much attention recently, out of ego, bursted against shiv once cyring that Shiv is flying in Jets paid by foreign vendors.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/shootandscoot/entry/goodies-for-defence-correspondents

So now here to gain some cheap publicity and lost grounds, he wants to show that he is alive.. useless ranting with negative tone in each word carefully chosen.

1.At a time when the US is fast-developing -----
2.almost three-decade-long saga,
3.again headed to miss a deadline
4. The project was started in 1983 to replace Mig 21s ---What context is this? has he given any insight into when the work and funding came.

5. Tejas has achieved only initial operational clearance-I -- what is only here.. How many country in the world have achieved this from scratch... it is not flying paper plane you fool Rajt.. it is computers that flying a brick.

6.But now, it will only be possible by July, 2013, or so after over 200 more sorties. FOC will come only two years after that,'' said a source.
- has he cared on saying why that is needed. 600 days is not too much .

India will eventually spend over Rs 25,000 crore in the entire Tejas programme, including the naval variant and trainer as well as the failed Kaveri engine, as reported by TOI.

OK Kaveri is failed to power the tejas but it can power other planes. spitting negative venom .


While it is true that developing a supersonic fly-by-wire fighter from scratch was never going to be easy, the entire project could have been managed much better. IAF, on its part, is supporting the fighter programme since it knows the country's need to have indigenous weapon systems is strategically critical. -- finally a radiance on top of his head trying to be good. ..

 

[Windjammer]

Actually we try it by our own that's why till now we are not able to create it.

You already tried it with the likes of Ajeet, HF-24 Maurat, Kiran etc.

If we made JV with either Russia, USA, France we can create it long back.

You are purchasing all under the Sun from them, why not a JV, will save a lot of embarrassment.

Except engine now we can develop every part of fighter jet within India ...... can you do that????

So lets agree on this, your comparison is with Pakistan.....BTW, heard of Mashak and Super Mashak, an in-house BFT, I believe you guys are having to even purchase that from Brazil.

 

[manojb]

BTW, heard of Mashak and Super Mashak, an in-house BFT, I believe you guys are having to even purchase that from Brazil.

no no.. have you heard about Saab Safari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ??

 

[Windjammer]

no no.. have you heard about Saab Safari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ??

Before jumping on the band wagon, firrst have the comprehension to understand what i was replying to. !!

 

[Ammyy]

You already tried it with the likes of Ajeet, HF-24 Maurat, Kiran etc.

Comparing 2nd gen Marut with 4th gen ???

Ajeet was licensed built.

Tejas is our first serious try.

You are purchasing all under the Sun from them, why not a JV, will save a lot of embarrassment.

So you are.

Just by calling it JV you cant hide reality.

Like China trying same from decades but till now only J10/J17 is made in China (with Russian engine) ...........every thing need time for development

If this is embarrassment so Chinese engine program much more older than LCA Project still they need Russian engine for lighter aircraft like JF17

So lets agree on this, your comparison is with Pakistan.....BTW, heard of Mashak and Super Mashak, an in-house BFT, I believe you guys are having to even purchase that from Brazil.

Mushak ?? Pakistani ????

You already mention about Kiran ... atleast we built it within India