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RPG Protection Armour For APCs by HIT!!

I think special forces would be the best by air along with coordinated air strikes on targets they possibly mark. There would be no way Pakistan could move around a large force here effectively. OPs can also be set up that could be supported by air assets as ground is taken.
 
It is good that they are upgrading the M113s they should also use add on armor kits like Turkey does to bring the ballistic protection up to par. M113s stock armor is pretty thin for modern times.
Suspension of M113 is very weak. You you want to upgrade ballistic armor as well u il need to replace it.
 
The FATA region is quiet hilly & enemy can still target this caged protection from RPG above??
 
Its just totally awesome. Not only this, but all the inventions and creative ideas of HIT.
 
Suspension of M113 is very weak. You you want to upgrade ballistic armor as well u il need to replace it.

If it is the A2 or A3 they already come with a upgraded one.
 
Blain:

Thanks for the insight into difficulties being faced in moutain warfare even though some of the points raised in the presentation are really representative of fighting above ten thousand feet. However, a lot of it is pertinent in FATA. Thanks for sharing -- it helps most of us understand the difficulty of fighting in that terrain.

My question is than what should be the battle tactics of PA in FATA?? And, if the terrain is so difficult and surpirse is lost when helo noise can be heard for miles in canyons and deep valleys -- than is Predator one of the most effetective type of active engagement tool avialable to PA? (And yes I am saying PA as PA is now calling the shots on a number of strikes by Predators in FATA).

Would like your insight on best tactics that can be utalized by PA in FATA. THX

Aamir

I quoted specifically the challenges in higher terrain because the current challenges are common with those highlighted in the presentation. Maj Gen Bashir's presentation also had quite a few salient points specific to the problems faced during operations in the Peochar region where the elevations are higher, but the remoteness of N. Waziristan etc. also poses similar trafficability and logistics problems (how far do you extend the vehicular patrols before they become susceptible to ambushes etc.)

In my humble opinion, real stand-off capability would help the Army considerably. This does not have to be UCAVs, it could be up-gunned (or upgraded missiles on) helicopter gunships that can loiter and launch ASMs against targets from standoff ranges (Hellfire category - 6-12 km range). However short of some long term peace agreement, there is no alternate to troops holding the ground (where possible given the vastness of the area). In terms of moving troops, heliborne insertion (as Jigs pointed out), would remain the preferred method.

Also the longer the distance to cover by the heliborne troops, the earlier the warning to the opposing side, thus there may be a need to deploy PAA assets closer to where the action is so troops can be inserted quickly without a lot of warning to the other side.

In reality, there is no one quick solution. Each tactical problem has to be worked out with a solution that does not have to be off-the-Western shelves. We are and continue to come up with our own solutions. They may not be perfect, but will help in developing our own tactics over time and in turn will be more optimal for the terrain and environment in which we are operating.

Air assault will have to be the spearhead of our approach and faster and quieter helicopters would be helpful. Unfortunately our options are limited and our budget is even more constrained. I think if we can hold-off the Taliban ingress into the lower country and keep them bottled up and off-guard, we could consider that success. There is no way to beat this threat off entirely given what we have observed ever since we deployed force to put the militants down back in 1960-62.
 
The FATA region is quiet hilly & enemy can still target this caged protection from RPG above??

the use of APCs and Tanks remains limited in FATA to main roads and open fields (if any) - these weapons systems are suited to the plains and deserts of the punjab and sindh.
 
long overdue. But won't help in the event of shaped charge ieds. A good development by HIT nonetheless
 
This will surely help reduce the risk of RPG.

Any solution of IEDs.....??? To protect the base of vehicle.

Conical Hubs can be fitted to the wheels,so that the force of an IED blast is dissipated in different directions along the cone.
 
Its just totally awesome. Not only this, but all the inventions and creative ideas of HIT.

It is a great and simple Idea,but its already in use and nothing new.

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That is to protect against rocket attacks(basically a more advanced and expensive solution then putting a cage around your vehicle) The best solution for IEDs would still be a V-Shape hull and increasing the armor thickness. Even with this solution though if the Insurgents can rig large caliber artillery shells that is simply too much explosive power for any IFV or APC to overcome. Shaped charges also make it worse since those form projectiles that can penetrate lightly armored vehicles.
 
Blain:

Thanks for your input. I am also of the same view. However, High Loiter Time and night fighting capability becomes a ace in the hole in this type of operation where one can pin down the opposition once located and hammer them day and night through helo Gunships, precision munitions and in my opinion, with Spectere Gunships. They were effectively used in Afghanistan and after the Daisy Cutter; was the most feared weapon by Talibans. I was lucky to actually witness a night firing display on one and it was spectacular and devastating at the same time -- for those on the recieiving end of it.

Air mobile assets including fast moving, lightly armed, mountain trained units will eventually be the boots on the ground.

My 2C
 

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