Royal descendants can keep temple full of riches, rules Indian Supreme Court

[RealNapster]

Many (large) temples do run other organisations such as schools and hospitals.
So in that sense it will get back to the common Hindu

But these are approximately 20 plus billion dollars, just in one vault. You have two vaults in this one mandir. I think people (specially hindus) of tamil nadu deserve more. They deserve this money. Mandir should get 1 billion dollars in bank account and hand over rest of money to state population through govt, NGO's etc.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

But these are approximately 20 plus billion dollars, just in one vault. You have two vaults in this one mandir. I think people (specially hindus) of tamil nadu deserve more. They deserve this money. Mandir should get 1 billion dollars in bank account and hand over rest of money to state population through govt, NGO's etc.

I agree with you that the Hindu community deserve this money. However I do not think that the government should get their hands on this money, since they cannot be trusted and are corrupt.

I think it is better if the royal descendants run a trust under which the money is used for the Hindu community.
Maybe they can divide the seats on the board of the trust evenly between royal descendants and 'common' Hindus. The 'common' Hindus get elected every four years by the members of the temple.

 

[RealNapster]

I agree with you that the Hindu community deserve this money. However I do not think that the government should get their hands on this money, since they cannot be trusted and are corrupt.

I think it is better if the royal descendants run a trust under which the money is used for the Hindu community.
Maybe they can divide the seats on the board of the trust evenly between royal descendants and 'common' Hindus. The 'common' Hindus get elected every four years by the members of the temple.

Or maybe start by giving 5 crore to every village in the state. That way the panchayat, who is answerable to village, can spend it where it is needed the most. This a one time expense and then annual expenses of running schools, universties, hospitals etc by the royal family board.

Ita time India take the money back from mandir and spend it on those that donated the money in the first place, common poor hindu believers.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Or maybe start by giving 5 crore to every village in the state. That way the panchayat, who is answerable to village, can spend it where it is needed the most.

I understand what you mean.
But I do not think that it is not good to give 5 crore to every village, since each village is different.
Some might need more, others might need less depending on their current status and development.
So an assessment of the villages needs to be done first.
I do not think however, it should be done by the panchayat or villages themselves, since they might want to claim more money than they actually need.
It would be better if an independent organisation would evaluate the needs of each village and based on that, decide how much money each village needs.

This a one time expense and then annual expenses of running schools, universties, hospitals etc by the royal family board.

Although an one time expense can be seen as a donation by the temple, I do not think that the temple should fund the annual expenses of the organisations.
These type of expenses should be funded by taxes collected by the state.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Fascinating stuff. Hope they decipher those cadjan leaf records soon. That will offer a unique window into history.

And I hope the articles discovered in vaults are displayed in some museum if the religious and cultural beliefs arent against it. Imagine that. It will rival any museum in the world. Will ease some of the pain inflicted by British by stealing Indo Pak relics and treasure and putting it in British museum.

 

[krash]

Now hiding your ignorance behind forum rules. Good one.

I had hoped that ignoring your previous insolence would knock enough etiquette in you to stop posting infantile statements and choose a more civil manner of discussion. Guess, not. In which case,

Any religious discussion on this forum is against the forum rules, period. If hoarding that wealth is an actual part of that religion (as claimed by yourself) and you are discussing/attacking/criticizing/supporting that said part of that said religion then you are in breach of the forum rules. It would be ironic and unintelligent for a mod to indulge in any such conversations.

If it is not an actual part of that religion and is instead a practice of that particular temple then you cannot be allowed to use it as an excuse to discuss/attack/criticize/support that religion. Discussing that particular temple is fine, extrapolating the issue to the entire religion and then attacking it is against common sense, forum rules and basic decency.

I've let your posts be thus far because I am personally involved in the discussion. Will not afford any such allowances henceforth.

Just to clarify that the discussion was about a hoard of wealth in a Hindu temple.
It was you who came up with an off topic argument, involving mosques.

Did I?

No Muslim mosque was ever found to have that much riches.
Matter of priority between the two different religions

The matter is simple. Just as you would not accept criticism of Islam for the extravagance on display at Masjid-Al-Haram, you should not attack Hinduism for the extravagance on display at that temple. If the act is sanctioned by Hinduism, then discussing it is a breach of forum rules. If the act is the responsibility of that temple, then attacking Hinduism for it is dishonest and a breach of forum rules.

 

[I S I]

The Travancore family argues that opening it will unleash a mythical curse on the state.

Yes this is true.

 

[Chhatrapati]

But what is the point of donating money to temple which a common hindu can't even gat back as he think opening the vaukt will unleash a mythical curse on them.

When you donate something, it doesn't get returned to you. That's the whole point of donation right? and common people don't simply throw in riches like that. These are gifts received from different countries, the Travancore Kingdom used to trade with different countries around the world and other countries within the subcontinent. This wealth includes gold coins from Rome, diamond necklaces, golden thrones, plates made of silver, statues of gold and most gold coins are not from here because there weren't gold coins. By any means, I don't think any of these were public donations for the temple. For one, not many public were allowed in the Temple premises in those times.

No Muslim mosque was ever found to have that much riches.
Matter of priority between the two different religions

Mosques are places Muslims assemble for prayers right.
Temple is considered an abode of the deity people are worshipping, no it's not a matter of priority more like fundamental difference between Middle Eastern and South Asian religions.

But these are approximately 20 plus billion dollars, just in one vault. You have two vaults in this one mandir. I think people (specially hindus) of tamil nadu deserve more. They deserve this money. Mandir should get 1 billion dollars in bank account and hand over rest of money to state population through govt, NGO's etc.

I agree with you that the Hindu community deserve this money. However I do not think that the government should get their hands on this money, since they cannot be trusted and are corrupt.

I think it is better if the royal descendants run a trust under which the money is used for the Hindu community.
Maybe they can divide the seats on the board of the trust evenly between royal descendants and 'common' Hindus. The 'common' Hindus get elected every four years by the members of the temple.

The problem is, these things are not stored in cash. The money say $20+ billion is just the value of the commodity, it is calculating the weight of gold, silver, diamonds etc... but not considering the Archeological value. This pretty much makes it useless, as it cannot be sold off just like that. Sure, if these things were hard cash, we could give it away for the greater good, that's not the case.

@Jyotish I think it'll create unnecessary intervention of Temple authority in state affairs and vise versa if they were given control of these kinds of money. That said, a lot of temples have given undue credits to the state for nothing in return. I guess it's time the government keeps their nose out of Temple affairs especially rolling temple funds.

 

[RealNapster]

When you donate something, it doesn't get returned to you. That's the whole point of donation right? and common people don't simply throw in riches like that. These are gifts received from different countries, the Travancore Kingdom used to trade with different countries around the world and other countries within the subcontinent. This wealth includes gold coins from Rome, diamond necklaces, golden thrones, plates made of silver, statues of gold and most gold coins are not from here because there weren't gold coins. By any means, I don't think any of these were public donations for the temple. For one, not many public were allowed in the Temple premises in those times.


Mosques are places Muslims assemble for prayers right.
Temple is considered an abode of the deity people are worshipping, no it's not a matter of priority more like fundamental difference between Middle Eastern and South Asian religions.



The problem is, these things are not stored in cash. The money say $20+ billion is just the value of the commodity, it is calculating the weight of gold, silver, diamonds etc... but not considering the Archeological value. This pretty much makes it useless, as it cannot be sold off just like that. Sure, if these things were hard cash, we could give it away for the greater good, that's not the case.

@Jyotish I think it'll create unnecessary intervention of Temple authority in state affairs and vise versa if they were given control of these kinds of money. That said, a lot of temples have given undue credits to the state for nothing in return. I guess it's time the government keeps their nose out of Temple affairs especially rolling temple funds.

Bro ita your country, your religion, and indeed your mandir. Its your call, i was just saying that yes you dont donate to get it back someday but you do donate foe the reason that a poor will get it somesay in some form. Thats why i said its better tuat these assets are used to feed someone and help him in establishing his life (help in business, area infrastructure etc) then just laying down in a vault... Also, as you rightly mentioned the archeological value of these items, i think then its not just 20 billion but double atleast. A good start will be to sell those to Indian govt archeological department for museums etc. That way the items remain in country, property of Ibdian govt and TN gets a big boost in shape of 20-25 billion dollars.

When necessity asks, even Muhammad P.B.U.H burned down a mosque. You can atleast get its money.

 

[Nilgiri]

Bro ita your country, your religion, and indeed your mandir. Its your call, i was just saying that yes you dont donate to get it back someday but you do donate foe the reason that a poor will get it somesay in some form. Thats why i said its better tuat these assets are used to feed someone and help him in establishing his life (help in business, area infrastructure etc) then just laying down in a vault... Also, as you rightly mentioned the archeological value of these items, i think then its not just 20 billion but double atleast. A good start will be to sell those to Indian govt archeological department for museums etc. That way the items remain in country, property of Ibdian govt and TN gets a big boost in shape of 20-25 billion dollars.

When necessity asks, even Muhammad P.B.U.H burned down a mosque. You can atleast get its money.

What you think temples are involved in? They feed many people each day (and even larger amounts on certain other days) and provide social help network for lot of things.....far better than govts can do (esp on local level issues). One such my mother donates to big each year is to help blind people, esp children. All temple run.

I am great grandson of one such temple person (much smaller temple) that was heavily involved in feeding the poor...and he personally (at house my mother was born in) providing summer drink replenishment free of charge to all passer by (of all caste) that requested.

Sorry but not one politician should get their hands on temple money and temple funds....politicians are corrupt scumbags. They do their theft, extortion and racketeering with businesses already. This extends to all level of them....who you think will get the most say if you "distribute by village"? It will be the village level "collector" or one of his crony thugs....they will fritter it all away on dancing girls and alcohol and worse....temple money given by devotees in welfare of the whole population. Nope...there will be huge outcry buddy.....people know who the worst immoral crooks are a long time now.

 

[SrNair]

Tipu sultan ruled Travancore. Muslims should claim this money.

Lol
That moron only came at once near to our border .
And then just ran way after abondoning royal seal and plaque .
Additional bonus also got he become handicapped lol

Temple is just a subject of the King. So Tipu owned the temple as it was part of his Kingdom.

Muslims of the subcontinent have every right to claim this money.

Tipu the dog wished so much but couldnt touch our Travancore

I agree with you that the Hindu community deserve this money. However I do not think that the government should get their hands on this money, since they cannot be trusted and are corrupt.

I think it is better if the royal descendants run a trust under which the money is used for the Hindu community.
Maybe they can divide the seats on the board of the trust evenly between royal descendants and 'common' Hindus. The 'common' Hindus get elected every four years by the members of the temple.

Noone going to take that money .
Because thst is our heritage ,our tradition our civilization.
We have became one of highest HDI state in India not through plundering the wealth of our ancestors but our own effort .

 

[Shantanu_Left]

We don't do sunny Leone diplomacy. Sending women to warm old American senators beds. That's something only india can do.
Instead we are upfront and bold and say it
Far better than sending your women for Money and lobbying

Where is the proof of that claim?