Rouhani is the first Iranian president to visit Europe in 16 years

[ultron]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...europe-visit-by-iranian-president-in-16-years

 

[Chevil]

I remember Khatemi and his travel to Paris ... so they are wrong ....

 

[Falcon29]

The West is enabling the reformists in Iran. They know it's a long term process. 10-20 years from now we will see the results. This is good for Iranian people to not let religious hypocrites dictate their faith. Hopefully Arabs will follow suit and both sides compromise on the region and end conflict. Otherwise extremism will still remain.

 

[ultron]

The West is enabling the reformists in Iran. They know it's a long term process. 10-20 years from now we will see the results. This is good for Iranian people to not let religious hypocrites dictate their faith. Hopefully Arabs will follow suit and both sides compromise on the region and end conflict. Otherwise extremism will still remain.

Iran is hardly religious

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/iranian-becomes-first-woman-ever-win-nobel-prize-mathematics

 

[Chevil]

The West is enabling the reformists in Iran. They know it's a long term process. 10-20 years from now we will see the results. This is good for Iranian people to not let religious hypocrites dictate their faith. Hopefully Arabs will follow suit and both sides compromise on the region and end conflict. Otherwise extremism will still remain.

From what I see , Reformists are going to lose badly in next elections , especially in small cities and towns ....Mr. Rouhani economic programs is just good for the rich and government employees ...

 

[Silverblaze]

From what I see , Reformists are going to lose badly in next elections , especially in small cities and towns ....Mr. Rouhani economic programs is just good for the rich and government employees ...

Well, what we have heard as outsiders, is that the rich and middle class is quite happy and they will vote for them. Iran's entry into the global economy has and will benefit people, but lets see what happens.

 

[Chevil]

Well, what we have heard as outsiders, is that the rich and middle class is quite happy and they will vote for them. Iran's entry into the global economy has and will benefit people, but lets see what happens.

Yes , The rich are happy , but most of middle class people are not ...
And aboat global market , Rouhani gov plan is this " just import " ....

We have more than 4-6 million unemployment people and in past 2 years reformist just ignore this issue ....

And what ?! Rouhani goes to buy Aircraft ?! Should I be happy ?! Hell no , because me and most of Iranian can't afford traveling with Aircraft , that mean we( middle and lower class people ) pay for this aircrafts , but only the rich are going to use it ....

 

[Hack-Hook]

From what I see , Reformists are going to lose badly in next elections , especially in small cities and towns ....Mr. Rouhani economic programs is just good for the rich and government employees ...

well I guess they will loose badly because of absence of candidates.

Yes , The rich are happy , but most of middle class people are not ...
And aboat global market , Rouhani gov plan is this " just import " ....

We have more than 4-6 million unemployment people and in past 2 years reformist just ignore this issue ....

And what ?! Rouhani goes to buy Aircraft ?! Should I be happy ?! Hell no , because me and most of Iranian can't afford traveling with Aircraft , that mean we( middle and lower class people ) pay for this aircrafts , but only the rich are going to use it ....

are you aware that before roohani the middle class nearly destroyed. And a question who is supposed to provide job ? Government or private sector ? Can you tell me why there are 4-6 million unemployed ? Why in last 12 years majority of the factories only worked at less than half capacities ?

 

[Chevil]

well I guess they will loose badly because of absence of candidates.

are you aware that before roohani the middle class nearly destroyed. And a question who is supposed to provide job ? Government or private sector ? Can you tell me why there are 4-6 million unemployed ? Why in last 12 years majority of the factories only worked at less than half capacities ?

نهصد هزار میلیارد تومان نقدینگی کشور هست ، اونوقت ما برای گرفتن یک وام ساده ی ده تا بیست میلیون خود اشتغالی باید دو تا ضامن بیاریم و تا دو برابر مبلغ سفته و چک بدیم !؟ تازه بهمون هم وام نمی دهند چون از بالا دستور رسیده « وام ندهید «


مردم که نقدینگی ندارند ، بانک ها هم که می گند اعتبار نداریم ، پس این 900 هزار میلیارد تومان کجاست !؟

الآن من بخش خصوصیم که نه حقوقی می گیرم و نه اعتباری دارم ونه کار درست و حسابی و نه می تونم از کسی بخوام که بیاد ضامنم بشه که وام بگیرم و یک کار ساده راه بندازم ، با سیاست رکودی هم زده کمر تولیدی که توی دوران قبلی خم شده بود رو عملا شکوند ، پس چه غلطی کنیم !؟
چطور ما طبقه ی متوسط و پائین جامعه داریم هزینه ی نقدینگی رو می دیم ولی این نقدینگی فقط اسمش توی زندگیمون هست !؟
چندسال پیش اگه بدبخت می شدی ، حداقلش می تونستی بری سر خیابون و عملگی کنی و یک نون حلالی در بیاری ولی به همت دولت گرانقدر ژنرال ها ، همین هم از بین رفت !!!

الآن فکر می کنی کسی که 6 ماه حقوق نگرفته گوشش به چرندیات اصلاح طلب ها بدهکاره !؟
فکر می کنی کسی که پول تاکسی نداره و مجبوره نصف وقتش رو پیاده روی کنه ، نگران اینه که اگه رفت اروپا ، چهارتا اروپایی چطور بهش نگاه می کنند !؟

اصلاح طلب ها خودشون رو به کارگزارانی های غارت گر وصل کردند و با ثروت عظیمی که دارند ، رفتن تریبون گرفتن و به خاطر خودباختگی و سیاست های نوکرمابانه شون مورد حمایت غرب اند و صداشون بلنده ، برای همین فکر می کنند همه باهاشون اند ....

مسلمه کسی که پورشه سواره ، صداش بلندتر از پیاده هایی هست که خیابون ها رو متر می کنند !!

 

[Hack-Hook]

نهصد هزار میلیارد تومان نقدینگی کشور هست ، اونوقت ما برای گرفتن یک وام ساده ی ده تا بیست میلیون خود اشتغالی باید دو تا ضامن بیاریم و تا دو برابر مبلغ سفته و چک بدیم !؟ تازه بهمون هم وام نمی دهند چون از بالا دستور رسیده « وام ندهید «


مردم که نقدینگی ندارند ، بانک ها هم که می گند اعتبار نداریم ، پس این 900 هزار میلیارد تومان کجاست !؟

الآن من بخش خصوصیم که نه حقوقی می گیرم و نه اعتباری دارم ونه کار درست و حسابی و نه می تونم از کسی بخوام که بیاد ضامنم بشه که وام بگیرم و یک کار ساده راه بندازم ، با سیاست رکودی هم زده کمر تولیدی که توی دوران قبلی خم شده بود رو عملا شکوند ، پس چه غلطی کنیم !؟
چطور ما طبقه ی متوسط و پائین جامعه داریم هزینه ی نقدینگی رو می دیم ولی این نقدینگی فقط اسمش توی زندگیمون هست !؟
چندسال پیش اگه بدبخت می شدی ، حداقلش می تونستی بری سر خیابون و عملگی کنی و یک نون حلالی در بیاری ولی به همت دولت گرانقدر ژنرال ها ، همین هم از بین رفت !!!

الآن فکر می کنی کسی که 6 ماه حقوق نگرفته گوشش به چرندیات اصلاح طلب ها بدهکاره !؟
فکر می کنی کسی که پول تاکسی نداره و مجبوره نصف وقتش رو پیاده روی کنه ، نگران اینه که اگه رفت اروپا ، چهارتا اروپایی چطور بهش نگاه می کنند !؟

اصلاح طلب ها خودشون رو به کارگزارانی های غارت گر وصل کردند و با ثروت عظیمی که دارند ، رفتن تریبون گرفتن و به خاطر خودباختگی و سیاست های نوکرمابانه شون مورد حمایت غرب اند و صداشون بلنده ، برای همین فکر می کنند همه باهاشون اند ....

مسلمه کسی که پورشه سواره ، صداش بلندتر از پیاده هایی هست که خیابون ها رو متر می کنند !!

ببخشید تمام اینها که گفتید توی این دولت شروع شد یا دولت قبلی که نفت ۱۲۰ دلاری را خرج میکرد بعدش حرف از قطعنامه دون زد. این کار دولت الان هستش یا اون دولتی که درامدش از مجموع تمام دولتهای قبل و بعدش بیشتر بود؟

 

[Chevil]

ببخشید تمام اینها که گفتید توی این دولت شروع شد یا دولت قبلی که نفت ۱۲۰ دلاری را خرج میکرد بعدش حرف از قطعنامه دون زد. این کار دولت الان هستش یا اون دولتی که درامدش از مجموع تمام دولتهای قبل و بعدش بیشتر بود؟

تا کی می خواین این رو ادامه بدید !؟ 4 سال ، 8 سال ، 16 سال ، 80 سال دیگه !؟
فکر نمی کنید مردم این ادعاها رو از کسایی که ادعای درست کردن اوضاع توی 100 روز رو داشتن ، نمی پذیرند !؟

and the first people who suggest smart Sanctions against Iran ( that hurt almost all Iranians ) were reformists ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/25/iran-mohsen-makhmalbaf-sanctions

but sadly most of us ( Iranians ) have short memory ....

 

[Hack-Hook]

تا کی می خواین این رو ادامه بدید !؟ 4 سال ، 8 سال ، 16 سال ، 80 سال دیگه !؟
فکر نمی کنید مردم این ادعاها رو از کسایی که ادعای درست کردن اوضاع توی 100 روز رو داشتن ، نمی پذیرند !؟

and the first people who suggest smart Sanctions against Iran ( that hurt almost all Iranians ) were reformists ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/25/iran-mohsen-makhmalbaf-sanctions

but sadly most of us ( Iranians ) have short memory ....

the sanction was not in place because of makhmalbaf it was there because somebody wanted to fight with every one because he didn't believed in negotiation . and Mr. Roohani never promised that he fix all the problems in 100 day . he promised to start the process in 100 day , he promised to slow the rate that the economy was deteriorating and he did so. And we say that because it is a truth that can't be denied.

 

[punit]

Yes , The rich are happy , but most of middle class people are not ...
And aboat global market , Rouhani gov plan is this " just import " ....

We have more than 4-6 million unemployment people and in past 2 years reformist just ignore this issue ....

And what ?! Rouhani goes to buy Aircraft ?! Should I be happy ?! Hell no , because me and most of Iranian can't afford traveling with Aircraft , that mean we( middle and lower class people ) pay for this aircrafts , but only the rich are going to use it ....

imo .. factories and employment will come with reforms only.

 

[Chevil]

imo .. factories and employment will come with reforms only.

well , this reformist have power in Iran for more than 27 years in IRI 38 years of existence ( Mousavi -> 8 years , Rafsanjani -> 8 years - > Khatemi -> 8 years and Rouhani -> 3 years ) .... they are just changing their name every time and they are hypocrite ....

the sanction was not in place because of makhmalbaf it was there because somebody wanted to fight with every one because he didn't believed in negotiation . and Mr. Roohani never promised that he fix all the problems in 100 day . he promised to start the process in 100 day , he promised to slow the rate that the economy was deteriorating and he did so. And we say that because it is a truth that can't be denied.

no , Sanctions was put in place because some traitors , betrayed their own country and didn't accept election and they said simple thing : " if we win election then it is fair ; and if we lose , that mean it wasn't fair " ... Dictatorship is true agenda of Rafsanjani and his followers

 

[Hack-Hook]

well , this reformist have power in Iran for more than 27 years in IRI 38 years of existence ( Mousavi -> 8 years , Rafsanjani -> 8 years - > Khatemi -> 8 years and Rouhani -> 3 years ) .... they are just changing their name every time and they are hypocrite ....


no , Sanctions was put in place because some traitors , betrayed their own country and didn't accept election and they said simple thing : " if we win election then it is fair ; and if we lose , that mean it wasn't fair " ... Dictatorship is true agenda of Rafsanjani and his followers

nonsense moosavi never was a reformist when he was at power at the time his only taught was to run a country that was relying to foreigners in every aspect just several years ago under sanction while spending half the country income on an imposed war. rafsanjani is not a reformist at all . roohani is also someone in middle the only reformist in your list is khatami. And non of the sanction were because of elections