Rohingya Ethnic Cleansing - Updates & Discussions

[Michael Corleone]

thik ase bhai
Over 1,700 Myanmar Junta Soldiers Killed in Past Three Months, Civilian Govt Says (irrawaddy.com)

wonder what happened to the Burmese members who used to threaten BD ?
1. Some of them probably displaced , no internet ? ( they can find refuge in Rohingya camps in BD)
2. Some of them probably playing realistic call of duty (on both sides) after being conscripted.

Another day in failed states. @Michael Corleone


Tara naki BA shathe fight korbe @Atlas ? Burma Army Uses Farmers As Human Shields In Pekon Township - Shan Herald Agency for News (shannews.org)

Hotath kore chup hoye gelo tara . Kono awaj nai ? ki bepar ?

Probably busy running away from getting bombed

 

[Bilal9]

These uneducated Rohingya idiots are going to become a bigger headache than they are now. They are sitting around getting housed, clothed and fed, and they still want more. Now they are running away from the Island.

9 Rohingyas fleeing Bhashan Char detained in Mirsharai

Among those fleeing three were children

www.dhakatribune.com

Police detain 19 Rohingyas in Chittagong

They had run away from Bhashan Char to go to the Rohingya camp in Teknaf

www.dhakatribune.com

 

[Bilal9]

https://www.dhakatribune.com/southe...ses-excluding-myanmar-junta-chief-from-summit

ASEAN discusses excluding Myanmar junta chief from summit

Published at 03:34 pm October 6th, 2021

Commander-in-Chief of Myanmar's armed forces, Senior General Min Aung Hlaing delivers his speech at the IX Moscow conference on international security in Moscow on June 23, 2021 Reuters

Over 1,100 people have been killed since the coup, according to UN, many during a crackdown by security forces on pro-democracy strikes and protests.

Southeast Asian countries are discussing not inviting the head of Myanmar's junta to a summit later this month, due to a lack of progress on an agreed roadmap to restore peace in the strife-torn country, a regional envoy said on Wednesday.

The junta's inaction on a five-point plan it agreed in April with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) was "tantamount to backtracking," Erywan Yusof, the bloc's special envoy to Myanmar, told a news conference.

Myanmar has been in turmoil since a February 1 coup led by military chief Min Aung Hlaing that ended a decade of tentative democracy and the return of military rule has prompted outrage at home and abroad.

Erywan, the second foreign minister of Asean chair Brunei, said the bloc was in "deep in discussions" about not inviting the junta to participate in a virtual summit on October 26-28, after the issue was raised by Malaysia and some other member countries.

"Up until today there has been no progress on the implementation of the five-point consensus, and this has raised a concern," Erywan said.

Myanmar junta spokesman Zaw Min Tun did not respond to calls from Reuters on Wednesday. Last week he told a news conference that Myanmar was cooperating with Asean "without compromising the country's sovereignty."

The bloc's effort to engage with Myanmar's military has been criticised by supporters of democracy, with a committee of ousted Myanmar lawmakers declaring the junta a terrorist group and saying Asean's engagement would give it legitimacy.

Still, excluding a leader from the summit would be a big step for Asean, which operates under consensus decision-making principles and prefers engagement, rather than confrontation, with member countries.

Erywan said the junta had not directly responded to his requests to meet detained former leader Aung San Suu Kyi, whose government was overthrown in the coup.

He added that he had proposed a programme for his visit to Myanmar to the military appointed foreign minister Wunna Maung Lwin last week, but the junta has not yet responded.
A source close to the Malaysian government said the Asean envoy was unlikely to visit Myanmar before the summit as the bloc had initially targeted.

More than 1,100 people have been killed since the coup, according to the United Nations, many during a crackdown by security forces on pro-democracy strikes and protests, during which thousands have been arrested. The junta says that estimate is exaggerated and members of its security forces have also been killed.

The Asean roadmap included a commitment to dialogue with all parties, allowing humanitarian access and ceasing hostilities.

Myanmar's long history of military dictatorship and alleged human rights abuses has been Asean's most tricky issue, testing the limits of its unity and its policy of non-interference.

But the foreign ministers meeting virtually on Monday voiced disappointment about the lack of progress made by the State Administrative Council (SAC), as Myanmar's junta is known.
On Monday, Malaysia's top diplomat Saifuddin Abdullah on Twitter said that without progress, "it would be difficult to have the chairman of the SAC at the Asean summit."

He reiterated this stance in parliament on Wednesday and said the ASEAN envoy was doing "whatever is humanly possible" to make progress on the roadmap.

 

[Shorisrip]

Interview with ARSA chief Ataullah. Rohingyas would have more support from the people in Bangladesh if they were to identify as a Bengali subgroup. You can be both Bengali and have civil rights in another state. We Chatgaiyas are historically the same as Rohingyas except we have fallen under the Bengali identity forever while Rohingyas being located in the fringes of Bengal have not been under the influence of the Bengali identity when ideas of nationalism were solidified in this region (late 19th to early 20th centuries). LARPing as descendants of seafaring Arabs is laughable. If Myanmar ever comes under a democratic government, a future Rohingya autonomous region comprised of the townships of Maungdaw, Buthidaung and Rathedaung needs to be established as in the erstwhile Mayu Frontier District.

 

[Bilal9]

https://www.dhakatribune.com/southe...ses-excluding-myanmar-junta-chief-from-summit

ASEAN discusses excluding Myanmar junta chief from summit

Published at 03:34 pm October 6th, 2021

Commander-in-Chief of Myanmar's armed forces, Senior General Min Aung Hlaing delivers his speech at the IX Moscow conference on international security in Moscow on June 23, 2021 Reuters

Over 1,100 people have been killed since the coup, according to UN, many during a crackdown by security forces on pro-democracy strikes and protests.

Southeast Asian countries are discussing not inviting the head of Myanmar's junta to a summit later this month, due to a lack of progress on an agreed roadmap to restore peace in the strife-torn country, a regional envoy said on Wednesday.

The junta's inaction on a five-point plan it agreed in April with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) was "tantamount to backtracking," Erywan Yusof, the bloc's special envoy to Myanmar, told a news conference.

Myanmar has been in turmoil since a February 1 coup led by military chief Min Aung Hlaing that ended a decade of tentative democracy and the return of military rule has prompted outrage at home and abroad.

Erywan, the second foreign minister of Asean chair Brunei, said the bloc was in "deep in discussions" about not inviting the junta to participate in a virtual summit on October 26-28, after the issue was raised by Malaysia and some other member countries.

"Up until today there has been no progress on the implementation of the five-point consensus, and this has raised a concern," Erywan said.

Myanmar junta spokesman Zaw Min Tun did not respond to calls from Reuters on Wednesday. Last week he told a news conference that Myanmar was cooperating with Asean "without compromising the country's sovereignty."

The bloc's effort to engage with Myanmar's military has been criticised by supporters of democracy, with a committee of ousted Myanmar lawmakers declaring the junta a terrorist group and saying Asean's engagement would give it legitimacy.

Still, excluding a leader from the summit would be a big step for Asean, which operates under consensus decision-making principles and prefers engagement, rather than confrontation, with member countries.

Erywan said the junta had not directly responded to his requests to meet detained former leader Aung San Suu Kyi, whose government was overthrown in the coup.

He added that he had proposed a programme for his visit to Myanmar to the military appointed foreign minister Wunna Maung Lwin last week, but the junta has not yet responded.
A source close to the Malaysian government said the Asean envoy was unlikely to visit Myanmar before the summit as the bloc had initially targeted.

More than 1,100 people have been killed since the coup, according to the United Nations, many during a crackdown by security forces on pro-democracy strikes and protests, during which thousands have been arrested. The junta says that estimate is exaggerated and members of its security forces have also been killed.

The Asean roadmap included a commitment to dialogue with all parties, allowing humanitarian access and ceasing hostilities.

Myanmar's long history of military dictatorship and alleged human rights abuses has been Asean's most tricky issue, testing the limits of its unity and its policy of non-interference.

But the foreign ministers meeting virtually on Monday voiced disappointment about the lack of progress made by the State Administrative Council (SAC), as Myanmar's junta is known.
On Monday, Malaysia's top diplomat Saifuddin Abdullah on Twitter said that without progress, "it would be difficult to have the chairman of the SAC at the Asean summit."

He reiterated this stance in parliament on Wednesday and said the ASEAN envoy was doing "whatever is humanly possible" to make progress on the roadmap.

ASEAN countries as a group don't know when to give up.

These selfish Myanmarese junta idiots (only intent on keeping their status quo meaning personal fortunes and looting opportunity) will never prioritize loosening their grip on Myanmar politics to let Myanmarese improve their economy in a normalized environment.

Meanwhile idiots like people from Singapore and other parts of Asia investing in Myanmar stand to lose their existing investments further as Myanmar devolves into the hopeless Banana republic situation, "circling the drain" deeper into crisis. Better sell out and get out while you still can.

At some point sanctions will extend to stuff made or assembled in Myanmar.

Unless ASEAN politicians distance themselves from these junta murderers - they themselves will be complicit with these Junta people for war crimes.

Interview with ARSA chief Ataullah. Rohingyas would have more support from the people in Bangladesh if they were to identify as a Bengali subgroup. You can be both Bengali and have civil rights in another state. We Chatgaiyas are historically the same as Rohingyas except we have fallen under the Bengali identity forever while Rohingyas being located in the fringes of Bengal have not been under the influence of the Bengali identity when ideas of nationalism were solidified in this region (late 19th to early 20th centuries). LARPing as descendants of seafaring Arabs is laughable. If Myanmar ever comes under a democratic government, a future Rohingya autonomous region comprised of the townships of Maungdaw, Buthidaung and Rathedaung needs to be established as in the erstwhile Mayu Frontier District.

He looks like Che Guevara in the new age. Should get a floppy hat like Che....

 

[Zabaniyah]

Interview with ARSA chief Ataullah. Rohingyas would have more support from the people in Bangladesh if they were to identify as a Bengali subgroup. You can be both Bengali and have civil rights in another state. We Chatgaiyas are historically the same as Rohingyas except we have fallen under the Bengali identity forever while Rohingyas being located in the fringes of Bengal have not been under the influence of the Bengali identity when ideas of nationalism were solidified in this region (late 19th to early 20th centuries). LARPing as descendants of seafaring Arabs is laughable. If Myanmar ever comes under a democratic government, a future Rohingya autonomous region comprised of the townships of Maungdaw, Buthidaung and Rathedaung needs to be established as in the erstwhile Mayu Frontier District.

While they may look similar to us, the Rohingyas are culturally very distinct from Bengalis (Chittagongians included). Even their names are very different and speak a raspy accent and they do speak and write their language.

 

[Shorisrip]

While they may look similar to us, the Rohingyas are culturally very distinct from Bengalis (Chittagongians included). Even their names are very different and speak a raspy accent and they do speak and write their language.

True to some extent but this is due to being outside of the grasp of Bengal since the 19th or so century. I can understand their language very clearly but of course there's a very slight difference and they use a lot of Burmese and more Arabic words than Chittagonian speakers by far. I've asked some relatives if they understand online Rohingya news and they do as well. But, keep in mind that the Chittagonian from Chittagong district proper and Cox's Bazar also has some dialectal variation (the latter being more singy-songy and people from rural parts all over also use excessive Persian/Arabic words not used nowadays by city dwellers). People in Chittagong used the Arabic script in the past to write Chittagonian (though most literature was done in Bangla proper and Persian) as well. It's a fact of being on the periphery of the Bengali culture and literary movement, that a new identity has been invented. This is in no way saying that they aren't native to the region or deserve any rights however.

 

[Zabaniyah]

True to some extent but this is due to being outside of the grasp of Bengal since the 19th or so century. I can understand their language very clearly but of course there's a very slight difference and they use a lot of Burmese and more Arabic words than Chittagonian speakers by far. I've asked some relatives if they understand online Rohingya news and they do as well. But, keep in mind that the Chittagonian from Chittagong district proper and Cox's Bazar also has some dialectal variation (the latter being more singy-songy and people from rural parts all over also use excessive Persian/Arabic words not used nowadays by city dwellers). People in Chittagong used the Arabic script in the past to write Chittagonian (though most literature was done in Bangla proper and Persian) as well. It's a fact of being on the periphery of the Bengali culture and literary movement, that a new identity has been invented. This is in no way saying that they aren't native to the region or deserve any rights however.

I recently visited the delightful beaches of Cox's Bazar. The roadside seafood was delightful too. I have noticed a different dialect in Cox's Bazar from that of Chittagong. No doubt, we do have cultural links with the Rohingyas. They are that missing link we were yearning for. If anything, the Muslim League failed to represent Muslims fully in the sub-continent.

It is a shame that millennial Bangladeshis and even older ones today view them with such disdain and apathy. Too often we become the very things we struggle against. That is the attitude that must be overcome.

 

[rainbowrascal]

 

[Bilal9]

While they may look similar to us, the Rohingyas are culturally very distinct from Bengalis (Chittagongians included). Even their names are very different and speak a raspy accent and they do speak and write their language.

I wonder if they can write Bangla - most of them probably not. Their alphabet is based on Arabic or more recently, Latin characters.

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This is not going to go well if true. This could also be anti-Rohingya propaganda by Indian sources or their shills in Bangladesh. Another shanti Bahini stuff in the making - Thanks Modi.

 

[Bilal9]

How Rohingya issue could cause far bigger problems in Bangladesh. Good discussion but in Bengali only. Too alarmist? You decide.

 

[Shorisrip]

How Rohingya issue could cause far bigger problems in Bangladesh. Good discussion but in Bengali only. Too alarmist? You decide.

The second guy doesn't know anything about history. This rhetoric is definitely too alarmist. The Myanmar junta government did send Rohingyas here to never take them back but our government has to actively pressure them to repatriate them. The economic difference between the two countries is only likely to grow within the next decade, and with it the Bangladesh's military capability too. If all diplomatic means fail, the military option is also available. Aside from the daunting Naf river crossing, we are at an advantage tactically due to a variety of reasons in the North Arakan area.

 

[UKBengali]

The second guy doesn't know anything about history. This rhetoric is definitely too alarmist. The Myanmar junta government did send Rohingyas here to never take them back but our government has to actively pressure them to repatriate them. The economic difference between the two countries is only likely to grow within the next decade, and with it the Bangladesh's military capability too. If all diplomatic means fail, the military option is also available. Aside from the daunting Naf river crossing, we are at an advantage tactically due to a variety of reasons in the North Arakan area.

Yes, I think the only thing that will solve this is BD actively telling Myanmar that it will occupy North Arakhan to allow the Rohingyas to return to their lands, unless the Barmans take them back and guarantee their safety and security.

I somehow think that BD may in the end will end up occupying that area and de-facto annexing it without saying it publicly. Barmans are beyond reason and logic it seems.

Time is on BD's side and it is an overwhelming more powerful state than Mynamar and so can impose its will on it.

 

[Bilal9]

"Gaye manena apni morol" attitude of Indian Bengali media getting involved in Rohingya issue (when we all know Indian govt. is more or less strategically behind the whole Rohingya debacle by their tacit support of the Tatmadaw).

 

[nahtanbob]

The second guy doesn't know anything about history. This rhetoric is definitely too alarmist. The Myanmar junta government did send Rohingyas here to never take them back but our government has to actively pressure them to repatriate them. The economic difference between the two countries is only likely to grow within the next decade, and with it the Bangladesh's military capability too. If all diplomatic means fail, the military option is also available. Aside from the daunting Naf river crossing, we are at an advantage tactically due to a variety of reasons in the North Arakan area.

India and China will not allow the military option. Move on dude

ASEAN countries as a group don't know when to give up.

These selfish Myanmarese junta idiots (only intent on keeping their status quo meaning personal fortunes and looting opportunity) will never prioritize loosening their grip on Myanmar politics to let Myanmarese improve their economy in a normalized environment.

Meanwhile idiots like people from Singapore and other parts of Asia investing in Myanmar stand to lose their existing investments further as Myanmar devolves into the hopeless Banana republic situation, "circling the drain" deeper into crisis. Better sell out and get out while you still can.

At some point sanctions will extend to stuff made or assembled in Myanmar.

Unless ASEAN politicians distance themselves from these junta murderers - they themselves will be complicit with these Junta people for war crimes.

ASEAN is intact precisely because they do not interfere in each other affairs