Roadside bomb kills three U.S. troops near Afghan city of Ghazni

[GiannKall]

3 US soldiers have died. Who cares about 30,000 Afghan soldiers.

Anyway, I find it hard to believe the figure of 30,000.

NATO and the press hides the fact that Kabul is losing the war

 

[Trango Towers]

No he is not, he is one of the Professional well knowledgeable person on PDF.



You know Afghans might say the same when America will leave Afghanistan ..



Its not my code but Tribal's , As for a criminal If America wants to negotiate with Mullah Omar, they would have given him more time to think/Investigate/conclude , Taliban could have been persuaded to avoid a blood bath but truth is that America didn't even wait for 6 months after 9/11 ..

If i go by your logic, than why you didn't Attack KSA ? majority of the Attackers were Saudi's and yet America still to this date are their allies .. Taliban are not well educated you can't expect to bring some evidence which is not even backed by American courts and blame someone , than ask to hand over .. as i say Tribal culture does not work like that, If An American is their Host, and some Communist ask them to hand him over these Tribal would fight to protect him as well to their own death ..

Professuonal knowledge.....i have spoken to him. I beg to differ

 

[SQ8]

You are correct that it is time for US to leave. It is also time for the Afghan leadership to learn not make the same mistake as their predecessors -- Mullah Omar and company.

To quote people on the ground in Afg “What are we doing here”

There isn’t political will to actually win what is unwinnable; if vietnam wasn’t enough in lessons then there is no point to young men dying in war.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

RIP....

What/who are they dying for???? Why are they wasting the prime years of their lives for a cause nobody appreciates any longer at the homeland????? It must have become clear to the US policy makers you can't subdue China/Russia/Iran etc. by being in Afghanistan!!!! How many "great" folks had failed before????? Fools dare where angels fear....

Bring our boys and girls home. They have many a job left here to be done....

 

[gambit]

To quote people on the ground in Afg “What are we doing here”

There isn’t political will to actually win what is unwinnable; if vietnam wasn’t enough in lessons then there is no point to young men dying in war.

There are parallel lessons in Viet Nam and Afghanistan. Not identical, but similar.

At the strategic level, the need to restrain the expansion of communism have the same urgency as the need to confront terrorism.

At the theater or tactical level, the expansion of communism have similar characteristics as the expansion of the religious based terrorism. It spreads from person to person, from household to household, from village to village, and so on. It is at this level that questions like 'What are we doing here?' arises. The war seems futile. Little or no progress are made. Hearts and minds seemingly do not change no matter how much non-military efforts are expended. So yes, I do understand the situation.

But there are also lessons for the Muslim world as well. During the Cold War -- my era of active duty -- I do not see newspaper clippings of state security forces publicly cutting off heads of prisoners. Whatever 'shocking' acts there were, we learned of them second hand and time delayed, newspapers or books. Eventually people developed a distaste for what these forces do to them. That is not what we are seeing today. We see gruesome images and videos of these shocking acts near real time and with details that only butchers are familiar with. What will you do with these people? That is the question and lesson.

In 1993, we had the WTC underground truck bomb, and we did relatively nothing. We pursued Osama bin Laden via the Taliban but really nothing more than that. It took 9/11 for US to act and we acted with only a fraction of what we can wield, and you know it. If you -- meaning the Muslim world -- are willing to continue to support and sustain these extremists, you can count on US and the Western alliance returning to your region.

 

[BATMAN]

US knows, IED supplier is RAW

So something is surely missing from story.

 

[SQ8]

There are parallel lessons in Viet Nam and Afghanistan. Not identical, but similar.

At the strategic level, the need to restrain the expansion of communism have the same urgency as the need to confront terrorism.

At the theater or tactical level, the expansion of communism have similar characteristics as the expansion of the religious based terrorism. It spreads from person to person, from household to household, from village to village, and so on. It is at this level that questions like 'What are we doing here?' arises. The war seems futile. Little or no progress are made. Hearts and minds seemingly do not change no matter how much non-military efforts are expended. So yes, I do understand the situation.

But there are also lessons for the Muslim world as well. During the Cold War -- my era of active duty -- I do not see newspaper clippings of state security forces publicly cutting off heads of prisoners. Whatever 'shocking' acts there were, we learned of them second hand and time delayed, newspapers or books. Eventually people developed a distaste for what these forces do to them. That is not what we are seeing today. We see gruesome images and videos of these shocking acts near real time and with details that only butchers are familiar with. What will you do with these people? That is the question and lesson.

In 1993, we had the WTC underground truck bomb, and we did relatively nothing. We pursued Osama bin Laden via the Taliban but really nothing more than that. It took 9/11 for US to act and we acted with only a fraction of what we can wield, and you know it. If you -- meaning the Muslim world -- are willing to continue to support and sustain these extremists, you can count on US and the Western alliance returning to your region.

I certainly don’t doubt the US will return. I have family deployed in the Horn from where they undertake actions against Boko. But at the end the money that flows into Boko comes from places where C-17s, F-22s and B-1s get deployed for ops into Yemen and Syria. So my family and other kids ranging from Dallas Texas to Columbia, MO are fighting people who get funds from places where they have air support support based. Bases for which we support rulers and protect, along with spending on their economy by our presence there.


So are we(as in American citizens) at war with ourselves in the “Muslim world”?

 

[gambit]

No he is not, he is one of the Professional well knowledgeable person on PDF.

I am part Indian from my mother's side. Let him be satisfied with his hatred for Indians no matter how tenuous my tie with India.

As for a criminal If America wants to negotiate with Mullah Omar, they would have given him more time to think/Investigate/conclude , Taliban could have been persuaded to avoid a blood bath but truth is that America didn't even wait for 6 months after 9/11 ..

With 9/11, after 10 yrs of negotiations, we were fully justified in invading Afghanistan.

If i go by your logic, than why you didn't Attack KSA ? majority of the Attackers were Saudi's and yet America still to this date are their allies ..

Wrong. When the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, the Muslim world rallied and sent men to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. By your flawed understanding of 'logic', the Soviets should have attacked Egypt?

The real logic is that we go after states and the countries that waged wars on us. Throughout military history, countries have employed mercenaries but we do not go after the countries where those mercenaries came from. No different for Afghanistan. When Mullah Omar hosted a belligerent -- Al-Qaeda -- he forfeited any protection Afghanistan had.

Taliban are not well educated you can't expect to bring some evidence which is not even backed by American courts and blame someone , than ask to hand over .. as i say Tribal culture does not work like that, If An American is their Host, and some Communist ask them to hand him over these Tribal would fight to protect him as well to their own death ..

So now the excuse for what Mullah Omar did was -- uneducated? Are you serious considering how educated Osama bin Laden was? If you have to resort to this level of lunacy, might as well admit you are at least a tacit terrorist supporter.

If Mullah Omar was willing to turn Osama bin Laden over to a third party, that pretty much rendered the tribal hospitality custom out the window and into the cesspit. Third party or US. That custom was discarded the moment Omar made that argument.

 

[jamal18]

They want to guard the poppy fields and a backdoor to russia for containment

When the Taliban were in charge thay banned al opium production. When American allies are in charge, Opium is flourishing. Happy days for the addicts in the US.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I am part Indian from my mother's side. Let him be satisfied with his hatred for Indians no matter how tenuous my tie with India.

It doesn't matter does it ? Your knowledge on Aviation matters is among the finest ..

With 9/11, after 10 yrs of negotiations, we were fully justified in invading Afghanistan.

Again .. when did Americans give Afghans 10 years of negotiating ? you can demand for someone unless he commits a crime, the Crime was committed in 9 Sept 2001 , and in Oct 2001 US forces landed in Afghanistan ..

Wrong. When the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, the Muslim world rallied and sent men to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. By your flawed understanding of 'logic', the Soviets should have attacked Egypt?

Wrong , Egypt might have send few hundred fighters at most among the thousands of fighters already in Afghanistan, The movement against the Soviet were led by Afghans, as for 9/11 it was neither planned by Afghan nor committed by Afghans , so your logic here is flawed .

The real logic is that we go after states and the countries that waged wars on us. Throughout military history, countries have employed mercenaries but we do not go after the countries where those mercenaries came from. No different for Afghanistan. When Mullah Omar hosted a belligerent -- Al-Qaeda -- he forfeited any protection Afghanistan had.

Well , History also full of very heinous crimes that doesn't mean we repeat it ? Afghans hosted a man which committed crime in America there were hundreds of ways to get him without stucking in the longest war America is fighting with no end in sight . To be honest its because of my good Intentions i say Americans should leave Afghanistan, Americans are not fighting for America or anything but Hashish and drugs .

So now the excuse for what Mullah Omar did was -- uneducated? Are you serious considering how educated Osama bin Laden was? If you have to resort to this level of lunacy, might as well admit you are at least a tacit terrorist supporter.

That is not a Excuse that is what Western Countries implied on Taliban , they are uneducated backward savages .. and yes I do know OBL was educated , he was the main culprit aka the real enemy of America but just to get him America slaughter thousands of people , and by the way OBL died and America is still n Afghanistan .. As for Supporting Terrorism, that is a weak defense from you .. if you don't have logic or reasoning to back you cant just throw Allegations .

If Mullah Omar was willing to turn Osama bin Laden over to a third party, that pretty much rendered the tribal hospitality custom out the window and into the cesspit. Third party or US. That custom was discarded the moment Omar made that argument.

The Answer is very simple, America did not put any effort in getting OBL back alive or dead , the plan to invade Afghanistan was made long before , and it has to be implemented .. If American intentions were just to end AQ it could have worked with Pakistan through a back door channel to bring Taliban on table to hand over OBL . Mullah Omar was a Afghan tribal .. CIA must have know that he wont hand over someone to a non Muslim when this army is standing on door to invade ..

Let me ask you this, What have you gained in Afghanistan ? Your men died , Your money is wasted , ANA is nothing but a militia , ANA shooting Americans often , Either you like it or not, one day you have to Leave Afghanistan and it will be nothing but a failure .. there is no will nor objective in Afghanistan , People hate you , Taliban Hate you , you are playing double game there, you assassinate their Leaders , you are not their own People, they will fight you for Generations to come .. As a American i can see you are very Biased , which i understand ..

 

[GHALIB]

Members of the U.S. military carry a transfer case covered with an American flag during a dignified transfer for fallen service member, Army Ranger Sgt. Leandro A.S. Jasso on Nov. 27, 2018 in Dover, Delaware.

By Pamela Constable
November 27 at 7:48 A

KABUL — Three U.S. service members were killed Tuesday when a roadside bomb detonated next to them in the embattled province of Ghazni, U.S. military officials said.

Three other U.S. service members were wounded along with a U.S. military contractor, they added. The survivors were evacuated and are receiving medical attention. Their names were not immediately released.

U.S. military officials said Tuesday’s fatal incident took place during a military patrol near Ghazni city, which has remained tense and unstable since it was overrun by Taliban forces in August in a four-day siege that left more than 100 people dead and parts of the city in ruins.

A spokesman for the Ghazni governor’s office, Aref Noori, said a joint military operation by Afghan and NATO troops had been underway in a village southeast of Ghazni city Tuesday morning when the bomb struck an armored military vehicle carrying foreign forces.

In the past several weeks, the insurgents also launched a series of assaults on villages in rural districts of the province that are populated by minority ethnic Hazara Shiites. The attacks sent thousands of residents fleeing to other nearby provinces.

The deaths marked the fourth U.S. military fatality in Afghanistan in the past week, and the fifth this month. Last Saturday, a U.S. Army Ranger, Sgt. Leandro Jasso, was fatally wounded during a combat operation in Nimruz province. Officials said he was apparently killed by allied Afghan forces in a friendly fire incident.

Earlier in the month, U.S. Army Maj. Brent R. Taylor was shot dead in an insider attack in Kabul. Taylor was the mayor of Ogden, Utah.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1bef6f21822a

RIP .

 

[gambit]

I certainly don’t doubt the US will return. I have family deployed in the Horn from where they undertake actions against Boko. But at the end the money that flows into Boko comes from places where C-17s, F-22s and B-1s get deployed for ops into Yemen and Syria. So my family and other kids ranging from Dallas Texas to Columbia, MO are fighting people who get funds from places where they have air support support based. Bases for which we support rulers and protect, along with spending on their economy by our presence there.

So are we(as in American citizens) at war with ourselves in the “Muslim world”?

I have been around long enough -- in time and geography -- to know better than to sugarcoat everything.

But we can look at it this way...Would Afghanistan be left alone had Mullah Omar refused to host Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? Yes. That is all there is to it.

 

[ziaulislam]

I have been around long enough -- in time and geography -- to know better than to sugarcoat everything.

But we can look at it this way...Would Afghanistan be left alone had Mullah Omar refused to host Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? Yes. That is all there is to it.

From news clipping answer is NO. There were several other demands as well

Big deal for colonialists. Considering the fact that in the last 3 years 30.000 Afghan soldiers have being killed its nothing

Oh not for nothing ...world 95% opium grown here

There are parallel lessons in Viet Nam and Afghanistan. Not identical, but similar.

At the strategic level, the need to restrain the expansion of communism have the same urgency as the need to confront terrorism.

At the theater or tactical level, the expansion of communism have similar characteristics as the expansion of the religious based terrorism. It spreads from person to person, from household to household, from village to village, and so on. It is at this level that questions like 'What are we doing here?' arises. The war seems futile. Little or no progress are made. Hearts and minds seemingly do not change no matter how much non-military efforts are expended. So yes, I do understand the situation.

But there are also lessons for the Muslim world as well. During the Cold War -- my era of active duty -- I do not see newspaper clippings of state security forces publicly cutting off heads of prisoners. Whatever 'shocking' acts there were, we learned of them second hand and time delayed, newspapers or books. Eventually people developed a distaste for what these forces do to them. That is not what we are seeing today. We see gruesome images and videos of these shocking acts near real time and with details that only butchers are familiar with. What will you do with these people? That is the question and lesson.

In 1993, we had the WTC underground truck bomb, and we did relatively nothing. We pursued Osama bin Laden via the Taliban but really nothing more than that. It took 9/11 for US to act and we acted with only a fraction of what we can wield, and you know it. If you -- meaning the Muslim world -- are willing to continue to support and sustain these extremists, you can count on US and the Western alliance returning to your region.

Well arabs have a reason to fight us..so i wont be surpised some other arab terrorist comes into existence ..as why arabs hate us is well known..it has to do with our vote bank in texas and dry peace of land in middle East ..

 

[gambit]

Again .. when did Americans give Afghans 10 years of negotiating ? you can demand for someone unless he commits a crime, the Crime was committed in 9 Sept 2001 , and in Oct 2001 US forces landed in Afghanistan ..

Are you serious with that question despite using a powerful tool like the Internet?

Here is a 2011 news article about US and the Taliban...

https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/world/asia/us-afghanistan-pakistan/index.html

Here is an older article...

https://www.aei.org/publication/negotiating-with-the-taliban-lessons-from-history/

Between 1995 and 2000, declassified records show, American diplomats held more than 30 meetings with the Taliban to persuade the group to close down terrorist training camps in territories under its control, securing nothing but empty promises from the Taliban.

Remember, in 1993 the WTC was bombed.

You can dispute whether it was EXACTLY 10 yrs or not. No one care to that level of pettiness given how much has transpired. The bottom line is what the US reached out before we invaded Afghanistan.

Wrong , Egypt might have send few hundred fighters at most among the thousands of fighters already in Afghanistan, The movement against the Soviet were led by Afghans, as for 9/11 it was neither planned by Afghan nor committed by Afghans , so your logic here is flawed .

I do not care how many Egyptians fought against the Soviets or later joined Al-Qaeda against US. Al-Qaeda is an international movement. The organization is stateless, therefore, it requires a host country to survive and conduct its plan. The host country is even more guilty of collusion with a belligerent if the host country knew the nature of the conflict. I challenge you to find any international law expert who will agree with you.

Well , History also full of very heinous crimes that doesn't mean we repeat it ? Afghans hosted a man which committed crime in America there were hundreds of ways to get him without stucking in the longest war America is fighting with no end in sight .

And you speak from extensive personal experience in dealing with terrorism?

The problem with yours and others 'could have' argument is that none of them are provable. Hundreds of ways? How many of them are actually proven to work under the exact circumstances? Or were you just speaking rhetorically and therefore empty speech?

To be honest its because of my good Intentions i say Americans should leave Afghanistan, Americans are not fighting for America or anything but Hashish and drugs .

Spare US your 'good intentions'. From what I have seen of your arguments and excuses for Afghanistan so far, you wish the US would stay in Afghanistan forever and would jerk off at every American dead.

That is not a Excuse...

Yes, it is an excuse. If an uneducated man stole from you, would you excuse him for not knowing that theft is wrong?

Mullah Omar was educated in Pakistan. You can read it here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar

So yes, you are making a pathetic excuse for Afghanistan.

...and yes I do know OBL was educated , he was the main culprit aka the real enemy of America but just to get him America slaughter thousands of people , and by the way OBL died and America is still n Afghanistan ..

That is THE lesson we wanted to show -- just when you think we are weak, we have no problems showing how strong we can actually be. What we did in Afghanistan was only a fraction of what we can actually do.

As for Supporting Terrorism, that is a weak defense from you .. if you don't have logic or reasoning to back you cant just throw Allegations .

Yes, I have no problems leveling that allegation at you.

The Answer is very simple, America did not put any effort in getting OBL...

Wrong as shown above.

I have no problems calling you a tacit terrorism supporter because no matter how much sources I can provide detailing what we went thru to get bin Laden in the least violent way, you will never be satisfied. There is always another way without you telling US what is it. Would you believe me if I tell you that we even tried to give Mullah Omar a satellite phone with a direct link to the White House? No, you would not believe.

If American intentions were just to end AQ it could have worked with Pakistan through a back door channel to bring Taliban on table to hand over OBL . Mullah Omar was a Afghan tribal .. CIA must have know that he wont hand over someone to a non Muslim when this army is standing on door to invade ..

You just proved my point about not being satisfied and what you have is essentially unprovable. You cannot speak for what your government would or would not have done and you know it. What you proposed is nothing more than baseless speculation designed to give your argument a patina of credibility.

Let me ask you this, What have you gained in Afghanistan ? Your men died , Your money is wasted , ANA is nothing but a militia , ANA shooting Americans often , Either you like it or not, one day you have to Leave Afghanistan and it will be nothing but a failure .. there is no will nor objective in Afghanistan , People hate you , Taliban Hate you , you are playing double game there, you assassinate their Leaders , you are not their own People, they will fight you for Generations to come .. As a American i can see you are very Biased , which i understand ..

You think Americans give a shit if we are respected in that part of the world? Hate US? Do so, but then do not repeat what Mullah Omar did and all will be well. We will leave Afghanistan knowing that we failed to raise a backward people and culture, not because we failed to exact vengeance.

From news clipping answer is NO. There were several other demands as well

So what are those other demands? I think stop supporting terrorism in general was reasonable. But I have no problems reviewing what you think are those 'other demands' provided you provide sources.

 

[SQ8]

I have been around long enough -- in time and geography -- to know better than to sugarcoat everything.

But we can look at it this way...Would Afghanistan be left alone had Mullah Omar refused to host Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? Yes. That is all there is to it.

Considering natural gas reserves were being tapped with Taliban coming to meet with the Clinton and Bush administration, I’d say halliburton would still be there.