Roadmap for 200 LCA ( MK-1, LCA-1P, MK-II) (Update 2)

[NKVD]

After all HAL is a company and it has no say in decision making.
Please provide me any link where any MOD official even entertain HAL's fantasy let alone adore it.
Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha said in it's latest interview on the situation of Idle assembly line after the completion of MK-1.
We won't let the assembly lines idle after that. If it is the situation we will order more mk1 standard tejas to keep lines running.

regards

That's Upto IAF that they Want to take it or Not.My Point is HAL is State owned Company All its Funding are done By MOD Itself.
You are Saying HAL Chairman has power of Sanctioning Such Big project on its own Or Even Discussing in Open media Without Approval of MOD,No. chance

Its Known Fact that Parrikar is in Mood Spent More than 60,000 Cr in LCA project in next Decade.Such Projects are only A Gateway

 

[proud_indian]

That's Upto IAF that they Want to take it or Not.My Point is HAL is State owned Company All its Funding are done By MOD Itself.
You are Saying HAL Chairman has power of Sanctioning Such Big project on its own Or Even Discussing in Open media Without Approval of MOD,No. chance

Its Known Fact that Parrikar is in Mood Spent More than 60,000 Cr in LCA project in next Decade.Such Projects are only A Gateway

They are free to discus whatever ever they want but they have no authority to start such complex project on their own.

 

[NKVD]

They are free to discus whatever ever they want but they have no authority to start such complex project on their own.

Yes they have they Are Defense PSu Its There Function to develop,and Upgrade Technology And Research that's How a Defense Firm Functions

Here is new motto of MoD
Perform or perish is the new mantra in the Defence Ministry | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

 

[proud_indian]

Yes they have they Are Defense PSu Its There Function to develop,and Upgrade Technology

Sir for your information they can do whatever they want with their in house R&D budget but LCA is not their project to start with. It's a ADA project and HAL do not have any authority to meddle their nose even if they like to.

 

[NKVD]

Sir for your information they can do whatever they want with their in house R&D budget but LCA is not their project to start with. It's a ADA project and HAL do not have any authority to meddle their nose even if they like to.

What Amateur Comment
For your Information HAL is Premier Aerospace Firm of MOD.It Supervise Every Project Related To Aeronautics or defense Aviation in India

Thats Why Project Called HAL Tejas Not ADA LCA in the first Place
Currently,it is only involved in design and development of multiple versions of LCA

The HAL Tejas is an Indian single-seat, single-jet engine, multi-rolelight fighter developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Immanuel]

Sirjji

HAL is not ministry of defence. This is what I earlier said it's just HAL's fantasy nothing else.

It is quite silly to bash HAL, actually they have been a good integrator. One keeps forgetting that HAL when it comes to Tejas has delivered good build quality, keep in mind the LCA has been tested extensively from heat soaks of 50 degrees to cold soaks of -40, Tejas has taken off from Leh where 4 out 6 MRCA contenders failed. The biggest thorn in LCA project has always been the IAF which sadly for the last 15 years has been plagued by import lobby management at the highest levels. Only when the new Govt. and MOD came into power, they were able to get IAF back on rational thought process. One can't blame HAL for designs done at ADA and one can't blame ADA for designs which had to keep changing due to IAF's constant changing of requirements.

HAL can with the help of ADA and EADS can certainly reduce the weight of the LCA by 700kgs. Also GE F414s today are flying with CMCs which allow weight reduction of around 150-200 kgs, GE can quite easily apply this technology to F404IN engines as the benefit for GE with an additional 80 LCA mk-1P order would be around 160 engine or more. such a mod would allow for a drop in fuel consumption by nearly 25% and increase in range with roughly the same %.

The real need of the hour is for MOD/HAL to expand production facilities. They need to authorize expansion of the line where by 2018, we are able to produce around 36 aircraft per year i.e 2 sqds of 16 aircraft each for local production and 4 aircraft potentially for export customers.

GE Successfully Tests World’s First Rotating Ceramic Matrix Composite Material for Next-Gen Combat Engine | Press Release | GE Aviation

 

[proud_indian]

What Amateur Comment
For your Information HAL is Premier Aerospace Firm of MOD.It Supervise Every Project Related To Aeronautics or defense Aviation in India

Thats Why Project Called HAL Tejas Not ADA LCA in the first Place
Currently,it is only involved in design and development of multiple versions of LCA

The HAL Tejas is an Indian single-seat, single-jet engine, multi-rolelight fighter developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and it's very mature to quote wikipedia to make your point.
just tell me who calls LCA a HAL project,

this is the screencap of official tejas website please bring your attention to the bottom left corner

It is quite silly to bash HAL, actually they have been a good integrator. One keeps forgetting that HAL when it comes to Tejas has delivered good build quality, keep in mind the LCA has been tested extensively from heat soaks of 50 degrees to cold soaks of -40, Tejas has taken off from Leh where 4 out 6 MRCA contenders failed. The biggest thorn in LCA project has always been the IAF which sadly for the last 15 years has been plagued by import lobby management at the highest levels. Only when the new Govt. and MOD came into power, they were able to get IAF back on rational thought process. One can't blame HAL for designs done at ADA and one can't blame ADA for designs which had to keep changing due to IAF's constant changing of requirements.

HAL can with the help of ADA and EADS can certainly reduce the weight of the LCA by 700kgs. Also GE F414s today are flying with CMCs which allow weight reduction of around 150-200 kgs, GE can quite easily apply this technology to F404IN engines as the benefit for GE with an additional 80 LCA mk-1P order would be around 160 engine or more. such a mod would allow for a drop in fuel consumption by nearly 25% and increase in range with roughly the same %.

The real need of the hour is for MOD/HAL to expand production facilities. They need to authorize expansion of the line where by 2018, we are able to produce around 36 aircraft per year i.e 2 sqds of 16 aircraft each for local production and 4 aircraft potentially for export customers.

GE Successfully Tests World’s First Rotating Ceramic Matrix Composite Material for Next-Gen Combat Engine | Press Release | GE Aviation

don't take me wrong, I am bashing no one, I am simply stating the fact that there is no such sanctioned prroject like MK-1A

It's just HAL's proposal and we are here discussing as if it is happening. I am merely saying that Ministry of Defence has never sanctioned such project and HAL has no authority to start such project.

that's is

What Amateur Comment
For your Information HAL is Premier Aerospace Firm of MOD.It Supervise Every Project Related To Aeronautics or defense Aviation in India

Thats Why Project Called HAL Tejas Not ADA LCA in the first Place
Currently,it is only involved in design and development of multiple versions of LCA

The HAL Tejas is an Indian single-seat, single-jet engine, multi-rolelight fighter developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

following images are from official LCA Tejas facebook page

if you want I can post more

 

[NKVD]

and it's very mature to quote wikipedia to make your point.
just call me who calls LCA a HAL project,

this is the screencap of official tejas website please bring your attention to the bottom left corner

Your Complete Amateur
HAL is beast in Aircraft Building Category the First Indigenous Aircraft Produced by india was HAL Marut.
ADA is Minuscule organisation in comparison of HAL.
without HAL Man power & Technical Support And production Facilities ADA is Dud organisation

HAL is Lion in Aviation Field ADA is Cub

PSlease Tell me Who is manufacturing LCA and where are serial Production Aircraft's built.Production Facilities Belong to whom ???



@MilSpec Help this Guy

 

[proud_indian]

Your Complete Amateur
HAL is beast in Aircraft Building Category the First Indigenous Aircraft Produced by india was HAL Marut.
ADA is Minuscule organisation in comparison of HAL.
without HAL Man power & Technical Support And production Facilities ADA is Dud organisation

HAL is Lion in Aviation Field ADA is Cub

@MilSpec Help this Guy

where did I say HAL is not a premier aeronautics agency or it's a club or something?

Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I am very well aware what HAL is and what not?

I just simply state the fact that LCA is a ADA project not HAL's or prove it otherwise.

Because you don't have point to justify your argument you are diverting the whole discussion to save your face nothing else.

and Mr. Pro you just don't even know that LCA is a ADA project and not HAL's and calling me amateurish is like calling the kettle black.

 

[NKVD]

where did I say HAL is not a premier aeronautics agency or it's a club or something?

Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I am very well aware what HAL is and what not?

I just simply state the fact that LCA is a ADA project not HAL's or prove it otherwise.

Because you don't have point to justify your argument you are diverting the whole discussion to save your face nothing else.

Just prove your point tha

ADA is Child Agency of nothing Else the Principle producer Tester And Manufacturer of LCA technologies is HAL.

Serial production Aircraft is produce tested and Delivered by HAL Facilities to IAF not ADA.

Not Just LCA but HAL is Principle Handler of all Defense Aviation Project in india

here it production facilities where LCA are produced
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the principal partner in the LCA programme with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) acting as the Program Co-ordinator.

LCA-Tejas Division Bangalore

 

[Immanuel]

and Mr. Pro you just don't even know that LCA is a ADA project and not HAL's and calling me amateurish is like calling the kettle black.

You really need to go back to school, ADA-DRDO is the design/ Development agency and HAL is lead integrators & manufacturer. ADA/DRDO designed the aircraft & whatever part/components could be sourced from local labs of the DRDO are managed by ADA, the rest is done by HAL and external suppliers. ADA is but a key partner. HAL with the help of EADS was able to find potential weight savings of 700 kgs or more. As for the LCA Mk-1A, it can easily be sanctioned since HAL belongs to the MOD.

HAL went to the Govt. with this plan of LCA mk-1P so that the LCA line isn't sitting idle post delivery of initial 40 LCA Mk-1 from 2018-2022 when LCA Mk-2 should be ready for production. HAL was seeking a minimum of 64 orders to keep the line busy while working in the next two years to shed the weight and speed up testing of AESA. Keep in mind the AESA is already being tested on the ground, it will begin flight tests early next year. This shedding of weight will be done by ADA doing redesigning of landing gear with EADS help and HAL wil tweak the FBW & perform integration & flight trials when this is done. When it comes to LCA, HAL is the responsible organization, hence it is quite often in the spotlight.

IAF shot back saying HAL need to prove it can deliver 40 MK-1 by 2018. So now the course of action for HAL & MOD will be expand production capacity so as to meet the 2018 timeline for 40 fighters. This additional order 80 LCA mk-1P will be confirmed shortly after FOC is awarded next year.

 

[proud_indian]

ADA is Child Agency of nothing Else the Principle producer Tester And Manufacturer of LCA technologies is HAL.

Serial production Aircraft is produce tested and Delivered by HAL Facilities to IAF not ADA.

Not Just LCA but HAL is Principle Handler of all Defense Aviation Project in india

here it production facilities where LCA are produced
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the principal partner in the LCA programme with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) acting as the Program Co-ordinator.

LCA-Tejas Division Bangalore

genius have you read the link yourself you have posted

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the principal partner in the LCA programme with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) acting as the Program Co-ordinator.

LCA-Production Group (LCA-PG) was launched in 2002 at HAL as the designated manufacturing unit for manufacturing the indigenously designed 4.5 generation aircraft – Tejas being designed by ADA.

You really need to go back to school, ADA-DRDO is the design/ Development agency and HAL is lead integrators & manufacturer. ADA/DRDO designed the aircraft & whatever part/components could be sourced from local labs of the DRDO are managed by ADA, the rest is done by HAL and external suppliers. ADA is but a key partner. HAL with the help of EADS was able to find potential weight savings of 700 kgs or more. As for the LCA Mk-1A, it can easily be sanctioned since HAL belongs to the MOD.

HAL went to the Govt. with this plan of LCA mk-1P so that the LCA line isn't sitting idle post delivery of initial 40 LCA Mk-1 from 2018-2022 when LCA Mk-2 should be ready for production. HAL was seeking a minimum of 64 orders to keep the line busy while working in the next two years to shed the weight and speed up testing of AESA. Keep in mind the AESA is already being tested on the ground, it will begin flight tests early next year. This shedding of weight will be done by ADA doing redesigning of landing gear with EADS help and HAL wil tweak the FBW & perform integration & flight trials when this is done. When it comes to LCA, HAL is the responsible organization, hence it is quite often in the spotlight.

IAF shot back saying HAL need to prove it can deliver 40 MK-1 by 2018. So now the course of action for HAL & MOD will be expand production capacity so as to meet the 2018 timeline for 40 fighters. This additional order 80 LCA mk-1P will be confirmed shortly after FOC is awarded next year.

you are not telling me something that I don't know about.

As far as the new order of Lca mk-1A/P is concerned, I think we should better wait for the actual project approval
and shouldn't count the chicken's before they hatched.

and you can be more polite while discussing.

 

[NKVD]

genius have you read the link yourself you have posted

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the principal partner in the LCA programme with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) acting as the Program Co-ordinator.

LCA-Production Group (LCA-PG) was launched in 2002 at HAL as the designated manufacturing unit for manufacturing the indigenously designed 4.5 generation aircraft – Tejas being designed by ADA.

Genius HAL has vast TOT and Technical Expertise that ADA will never Have
That is Why HAL is Partner in Giant Joint ventures Like,HAWK, MKI,FGFA & other Etc

ADA which was never Existed before 1984 is just Minuscule Agency with Limited Resources.While HAL developed and Produced Aircraft before that

HAL have Future Huge Projects in Hand Like FGFA And Super Sukhoi upgrade which Involves with Heavy TOT under it. Which ADA& DRDO Requires to get From HAL to develop LCA MK2 if they want it

 

[proud_indian]

Genius HAL has vast TOT and Technical Expertise that ADA will never Have
That is Why HAL is Partner in Giant Joint ventures Like,HAWK, MKI,FGFA & other Etc

ADA which was never Existed before 1984 is just Minuscule Agency with Limited Resources

HAL have Future Huge Projects in Hand Like FGFA And Super Sukhoi upgrade which Involves with Heavy TOT under it. Which ADA& DRDO Requires to get From HAL to develop LCA MK2 if they want it

again blabbering offtopic nonsense

Why are you even comparing comparing ADA and HAL?

These are two individual agencies and having different tasks in hand and what it has to with the topic?

Did I say anything that ADA is a better than HAL? Why are you again and again comparing these two?

I just stated you the fact that LCA is not a HAL project and if you have anything to counter it please come with it but not with that offtopic nonsense.

 

[NKVD]

I just stated you the fact that LCA is not a HAL project and if you have anything to counter it please come with it but not with that offtopic nonsense.

FACT is If LCA is not HAL Project Then why it is a Tester and Producer of the LCA in the First Place When it Has More complicated Projects in Hand

These are two individual agencies and having different tasks in hand and what it has to with the topic?

Different Task 98 % of the Task Related to Defense Aviation Come under HAL .project include
that's why Its One of the largest aerospace companies in Asia, HAL has annual turnover of over US$2 billion. More than 40% of HAL's revenues come from international deals to manufacture aircraft engines, spare parts, and other aircraft materials. A partial list of major operations undertaken by HAL includes the following:

International agreements

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  • The US$35 billion fifth-generation fighter jet programme with the Sukhoi Corporation of Russia.
  • US$1 billion contract to manufacture aircraft parts for Boeing.
  • Multi-role transport aircraft project with Ilyushin of Russia worth US$600 million.
  • 120 RD-33MK turbofan engines to be manufactured for MiG-29K by HAL for US$250 million.
  • Contract to manufacture 1,000 TPE331 aircraft engines for Honeywell worth US$200,000 each (estimates put total value of deal at US$200 million).
  • US$120 million deal to manufacture Dornier 228 for RUAG of Switzerland.
  • Manufacture of aircraft parts for Airbus SAS worth US$150 million.
  • US$100 million contract to export composite materials to Israel Aircraft Industries.
  • US$65 million joint-research facility with Honeywell and planned production of Garrett TPE331 engines.
  • US$50.7 million contract to supply Advanced Light Helicopter to Ecuadorian Air Force. HAL will also open a maintenance base in the country.
  • US$30 million contract to supply avionics for Malaysian Su-30MKM.
  • US$20 million contract to supply ambulance version of HAL Dhruv to Peru.
  • Contract of 3 HAL Dhruv helicopters from Turkey worth US$20 million.
  • US$10 million order from Namibia for HAL Chetak and Cheetah helicopters.
  • Supply of HAL Dhruv helicopters to Mauritius' National Police in a deal worth US$7 million.
  • Unmanned helicopter development project with Israel Aircraft Industries.

Domestic agreements

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  • 220 Sukhoi Su-30MKI being manufactured at HAL's facilities in Nasik, Koraput and Bangalore. The total contract, which also involves Russia's Sukhoi Aerospace, is worth US$3.2 billion.
  • 200 HAL Light Combat Helicopters for the Indian Air Force and 500 HAL Dhruv helicopters worth US$5.83 billion.
  • US$900 million aerospace hub in Andhra Pradesh.
  • US$57 million upgrade of SEPECAT Jaguar fleet of the Indian Air Force
  • US$55 million helicopter simulator training facility in Bangalore in collaboration with Canada's CAE.
  • 64 MiG-29s to be upgraded by HAL and Russia's MiG Corporation in a programme worth US$960 million.
  • Licenced production of 82 BAe Hawk 132.

here current programs under progress at HAL are production of SU-30 MKI, Hawk-AJT, Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), DO-228 Aircraft, Dhruv-ALH and Cheetal Helicopters, Repair Overhaul of Jaguar, Kiran MkI/IA/II, Mirage, HS-748, AN-32, MiG 21, Su-30MKI, DO-228 aircraft and ALH, Cheetah / Chetak helicopters.