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A special report from ToI, dated 22nd Aug 2010.

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THE BIG BITE



China has become the world’s second biggest economy. Should India worry about being swallowed whole?


Saibal Dasgupta | TNN



Beijing: China is growing so fast it creates some sort of world record every week. With 1.4 billion people, China has more mobile phones than any other country. It has more high-speed rail lines and wind power. It has more Internet users. It is also the world’s biggest importer of minerals. It has already dislodged Germany from pole position as the world’s number one exporter. Just a few weeks ago, China became the world's biggest guzzler of energy, though it accepted this particular position with great reluctance.

So, when China overtook Japan as the world’s second biggest economy earlier this week and placed itself right behind the US, the news was hardly a surprise — both at home and abroad. China’s official media showed no signs of jubilation. Even in Japan, the leading English daily, The Japan Times, paid little attention and did not rush to write an editorial. It merely published a London-based writer’s commentary on China’s phenomenal rise.

But it was a significant milestone. For 43 years, Japan had been second only to the US in economic might. Now, some experts say the Chinese economy will outstrip the US in a decade if both countries continue at their existing rate of GDP growth — 10% for China and 3% for US. Perhaps. Whatever happens, the possibility that China will be the world’s number one economy is already creating a buzz — and jitters — everywhere.

But, first to the immediate question. What does Beijing’s move to second slot mean for the world? There are signs it is already having some impact. On August 16, Japan acknowledged it had slipped below China even as it released growth figures for the last quarter. That was just one day after Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan publicly apologized for World War II crimes by Japanese soldiers against the Chinese and others. And Kan made history by ensuring that his entire cabinet stayed away from the controversial Yasukuni shrine on the 65th anniversary of Japan’s surrender in World War II.

Did Naoto Kan have China’s rise and rise in mind when he issued the apology at considerable cost to his popularity at home? Perhaps. It is clear that Tokyo can no longer ignore the stark truth — that its weak economy has trimmed its influence on regional issues such as the denuclearization of North Korea and territorial disputes relating to the seas around China, Vietnam and Indonesia.

For the Communist Party of China (CPC), there is a clear link between the country’s rise and the Japanese prime minister’s public apology. The People’s Daily, which is the CPC’s mouthpiece, editorialized after Kan’s apology that his cabinet's “decision not to pay respect to the Yasukuni Shrine indicates the DJP’s (ruling Democratic Party of Japan’s) upright stance of facing up to history, and this is advantageous for Japan to forge cooperative ties with Asian neighbours in the years ahead”.

Any exuberance about its slotting into second place after the US was limited to those remarks in the People’s Daily. Instead, a commerce ministry spokesman cautioned against any sense of glee, pointing out that China still had 40 million people below the poverty line. “China remains a developing country. The quality of China's economic development still needs to be raised. It needs more effort to improve economic quality and people's lives,” Yao Jin said.

It is a valid point and the Chinese authorities’ public reiteration of their domestic challenges appear to indicate their focus. Overtaking Japan in terms of gross domestic product is not going to change the basic truth:

China is 10 times the size of Japan, it is a rapidly ageing country and its one-child policy shows signs of becoming a liability, the ongoing property boom has the government caught between a rock and a hard place, ie should it keep the elite happy or extend its largesse to a wide swathe of poor and lower middle class people

In addition, President Hu Jintao’s drive to develop the relatively backward western and central provinces instead of focusing on the more advanced eastern and southern provinces poses a serious political problem in itself. The Communist Party has managed to curb any stirring of rebellion in the developed provinces but remains unable to find suitable leaders in the troubled western regions of Xinjiang and Tibet.

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There are other problems too. With growing prosperity, more Chinese are learning English and with it a new philosophy — that it is man’s right to be free and to have a democratic system of governance. The Communist Party is not ready to deal with this challenge. The Internet’s growing reach and expanded travel facilities have given the young a taste for free speech and a rising desire for self-expression. This could pose a challenge to the one-party system.

Unsurprising then that China’s greater success has been in influencing people and policies abroad. There is no doubt that China’s persuasive capability in both the political and diplomatic fields has grown in direct proportion to its export surplus. Countries like Sudan, Pakistan and Myanmar, where the regimes are linked to repression and largescale human rights violations, are major beneficiaries of Chinese aid. In international forums, Beijing backs these regimes politically. This was evident at a recent meeting of Asian political parties in Kunming. The Japanese representative candidly said there was “aid fatigue” in his country, which can no longer fund developmental programmes in poorer countries. But China’s Communist leaders reassured everyone that Beijing was happy to take over as chief paymaster of the aid and development budget.

But what price the influence. The west is yet to regard the world’s second biggest economy as a responsible power. Some might say that western approbation is no longer required. But China cannot expect endlessly to grow at 10% or more. What happens then will be key in determining who has the biggest bite of them all.

‘Chance to be bigger than Coke in China’


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This week, as China moved to number two position on the list of the world’s top economies, one of India’s biggest business delegations was concluding a visit to Shanghai. The purpose was partly to persuade the Chinese government to lift non-tariff barriers to trade and create an environment more conducive to the expansion of Indian enterprise in China.

It could hardly be better timing. After more than three decades of focus on building a powerful export-based economy, the Chinese government is beginning to look inwards. This is in order to meet its people’s needs. This focus on the domestic economy is expected to compensate for the slowing of export markets. Jagdish N Sheth, the Charles H Kellstadt professor of marketing in the Goizueta Business School at Emory University in Atlanta, US, is an expert on India and China. He says China has more than one-million millionaires today. “All this wealth is now going to create huge domestic demand,” he told TOI. China appears increasingly open to overseas investors willing to feed this demand. Chinese vice-commerce minister Chen Jian told the Indian delegation: “I hope you can tell Indian entrepreneurs that the Chinese government wants more and more products imported from India. I hope large enterprises from India will have a larger influence than Coca-Cola in China.”

Some Indian enterprises have recognized the potential of the Chinese market and moved in aggressively. Mahindra & Mahindra has made acquisitions in China and has become one of the country’s largest tractor companies. Automotive components company Sundram Fasteners’ Chinese unit supplies both export and domestic markets.
Chennai-based Orchid Chemicals and Pharmaceuticals has a 50:50 joint venture with North China Pharmaceutical Corporation and is focussing on bulk manufacturing and marketing of drugs for the Chinese market. “In four years, we have clocked $50 million in revenues and more importantly, the operations were profitable from day one,” says K Raghavendra Rao, CEO of Orchid Chemicals.
Rao says China can be great for Indian business. “The (borrowing) cost of funds is low. We have accessed funds at 6% per annum, which is impossible in India. Labour cost is less than half of that in India. We pay a third for power and fuel in China, when compared with that in India. And physical infrastructure is an intangible benefit for all investors.”

But some Indian entrepreneurs are yet to venture into China. Sheth thinks they’re making a mistake. “It is time that India shed its negative image of China. Indian industry should aggressively invest in Chinese markets for its own benefit. While India considers China as a major competition, China looks at India as a partner. China will be extremely receptive to Indian investments and business participation,” he says.

Sheth believes that China will soon play the role the US did. China’s rise, he says, will create an economic boom in Africa, the Caribbean, Latin America, Central Asia and Russia. “So it is impossible for India to bypass China and become a global player as eventually the growth of many other emerging geographies are going to be closely linked to China,” he said. There are many opportunities — across sectors — for India. China’s automotive and aviation sectors are on the upswing. Its service, hospitality, fast food industries and infrastructure sectors are booming.

Some see particular scope for India’s service industry. China is beginning to recognize the limits of its zealous focus on manufacturing. It has polluted rivers, denuded forests and caused severe air pollution. By 2020, China is expected to have 400 million tonnes of rubbish, which is equal to the entire waste generated on the planet in 1997.

“So they are encouraging services,” points out Som Mittal, president of IT industry body Nasscom. Every province is setting up an IT park. The government has just announced that it will not
levy the 5% operating tax on offshore service outsourcing business in 21 key cities till 2013. Mittal says China wants Indian IT companies to set up operations there and believes a Chinese base can be used effectively to target Japanese and Korean markets. “We have a service culture, we are customer-centric and our service maturity level is much higher than that of the Chinese,” he says. The Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) believes there is great scope for services sector cooperation in areas such as R&D, biotechnology, health, education and skill development, tourism and the financial sector.

But there are challenges to overcome. Language is perhaps the biggest. What’s more, in some sectors, China is not as open as India would like. Indian IT has won some deals in state-owned enterprises, but the sector is still not seen to be properly open to foreign participation.

China has been proactive in developing supply chains to feed into its excellent manufacturing capabilities from the neighbouring countries. “But for India to plug into these supply chains, it will be necessary for both countries to lower nontariff barriers. We need a comprehensive study on such barriers and work to eliminate them,” says Chandrajit Banerjee, director general of CII.

China’s boom has also made parts of its economy overly expensive. This has led some global players to look to India as an alternative location for manufacturing. Nokia, which has been exporting from its plant near Chennai, now says it intends to make India an export hub. Dell is said to have begun exports from India.

As China rises and focuses on services, expect more manufacturing to shift to India. That will be good for mass employment, which services like IT has not yet been able to deliver. But can India handle manufacturing growth without bringing upon itself the environmental problems China suffered because it became the workshop of the world? For India, China’s rise offers no easy solutions.

(Additional reporting by Rajesh Chandramouli in Chennai)
 
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In my view,of course officially either, one-party system is not a problem but China's superiority.
Minority people's pleasure or unpleasure should not concern with the whole system,I mean let the leadership and majority people themselves all enjoy the benefit of one-party system instead that always suspect and be envious each other.
 
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While China has done good job, I feel it's growth will slow down in coming years. Why because if it does not then what will others do. You will not have favorable condition all the time also others will find way to get back trade they lost.
 
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What India Can Learn from China and Vice Versa

By Pieter Bottelier

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A partial convergence of the Indian and Chinese growth models is likely. Judging from China's experience, sustaining India's impressive economic performance of recent years will require a significant further opening of its economy (externally and internally), higher savings and investments, especially in physical infrastructure and social services, and stronger labor absorption in the modern sectors. The base of India's current economic boom - software, IT-related services and high-end manufacturing - is narrow compared to China's. Poor performance in agriculture is responsible for still significant poverty in many parts of rural India. Bilateral India-China ties, including trade and investment, are increasing rapidly and could help to bring about the structural economic changes India needs. Through its exports to China, India is becoming linked to global supply chains centered on China. The notion that India-China relations are, or are bound to become, fundamentally antagonistic, held by many in the USA, is mistaken and potentially dangerous.
 
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The notion that India-China relations are, or are bound to become, fundamentally antagonistic, held by many in the USA, is mistaken and potentially dangerous.

I agree with this 100%. :cheers:

We can choose to cooperate for mutual gain... or we can choose to go into conflict for mutual loss.

Easy decision. Cooperation is the way forward.
 
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China, India can learn a lot from each other
By Li Xing (China Daily)
Updated: 2006-11-23 06:55

Several Indians were very excited on last Wednesday's evening flight from Beijing to New Delhi. They were talking so loudly that a Dutch passenger had to ask them to be quiet.

"We Indians sometimes are too noisy," Dr Arvinder Singh, resident economist at the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies in New Delhi, told me.:D

And so are the Chinese so much so that a code of conduct for Chinese tourists asks them to refrain from talking too loudly in public.

This is arguably one trait shared by Indians and Chinese, at a time when many are trying to fumble out answers as to how much China and India differs or shares in common.

Singh, who is also honorary fellow at the Institute of Chinese Studies, said it is hard to avoid a comparison between the two when they are constantly featured in the international media for their growth or problems.

People may take the two countries' similarities for granted, such as their big populations or long histories. Even the differences in their political and administrative structures or growth models seem obvious.

But even when we have come up with some comparisons, does it mean that we really know and understand each other?

Hardly, as I have been discovering during my current trip to India. The Chinese who work and study here in India feel frustrated that there is still a lack of knowledge about China in India and that the local media have not helped matters.

Their reporting of China is often negative, a Chinese student and a Chinese businessman both told me.

They also noted that the Chinese media are comparatively more positive. But does positive reporting mean that we Chinese know the Indian people and its current society better?


Not at all. Singh observed that the library in the India Study Centre at Sichuan University, Chengdu, does not have extensive collections on India. China's senior India scholars invariably studied Sanskrit, which is hardly of practical use in understanding contemporary India.

Meanwhile, very few students study Indian languages. At Peking University, its Hindi language programme enrols about 10 students every four years "because of market reasons, perhaps," Singh noted and they end up as interpreters for multinational or Indian companies or with the foreign affairs ministry.

Moreover, both of our peoples have preconceived notions that are difficult to change in the short term.

But as the world gets smaller and smaller with the advent of globalization, we two peoples can no longer ignore and only find fault with each other, as Dr Swaran Singh, associate professor at the School of International Studies at Jawaharial Nehru University, indicated when we chatted together about China-India relations.

It is good to see that quite a few people scholars, professionals, businesspeople are shaking off prejudices and working towards enhancing mutual understanding between Chinese and Indians.

Through my talks with quite a few Chinese, as well as Indians, I have found that they have gone beyond scratching the surface and have begun to dig deeper into each other's good qualities so that we can really learn from each other and find solutions to our differences.



China, India can learn a lot from each other

People-to-people contact is a great way to sort out our differences. India has a lot to learn from China & lets not forget that we (India & China) are two of the most ancient civilizations on earth and have thousands of years of peace, harmony & cooperation with each other. We were the two largest economies in the past and now we are the two fastest growing nations. Kudos to chinese for their success & lets hope for better relations between our countries both economically & politically. :tup::tup:
 
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why cannt india leaves china alone, why u need to drag china into every thing u do?cant u just talk abt yr great IT industry , how many billinionairs u got in the world top rich list and also try to predict in what year u going to over take America as world super power(LOL).
China and india got nothing in comon apart from we both got over a billion in population. china dont want to know india, we dont want nothing from u, we got nothing to learn from u just leave us alone ,dont try to get close to us or else you might get another stabb in the back u know(lol).
 
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why cannt india leaves china alone, why u need to drag china into every thing u do?cant u just talk abt yr great IT industry , how many billinionairs u got in the world top rich list and also try to predict in what year u going to over take America as world super power(LOL).
China and india got nothing in comon apart from we both got over a billion in population. china dont want to know india, we dont want nothing from u, we got nothing to learn from u just leave us alone ,dont try to get close to us or else you might get another stabb in the back u know(lol).

Indian is born to have sense of superiority because entire human civilization are based on Indian knowledge at least 1~10 code we used everyday and that is why Indian people just like to talk abt their great IT industry.
 
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why cannt india leaves china alone, why u need to drag china into every thing u do?cant u just talk abt yr great IT industry , how many billinionairs u got in the world top rich list and also try to predict in what year u going to over take America as world super power(LOL).
China and india got nothing in comon apart from we both got over a billion in population. china dont want to know india, we dont want nothing from u, we got nothing to learn from u just leave us alone ,dont try to get close to us or else you might get another stabb in the back u know(lol).

Is it necessary to be always rude ??
 
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