Rise of "Islam" in the world

[shiv]

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@armstrong : What you said is just one glaring example why the concept of an Islamic caliphate is infeasible to start with...

 

[Al-zakir]

You're talking treason here. A Bangladeshis loyalty must lie with the country first and foremost, and then with anyone else they desire, including God or prophets. You keep forgetting you're not living in an Islamic Republic.

Taslima Nasreen and Doud Haider has been force to go to exile because they are loyal to Shiatan instead of Muhammad(s.w.s). So I will remind you the consequences that awaits you, if you ever to go to Bd and talk negative about Islam.

 

[Maira La]

something wrong with pg 7..

 

[DarkPrince]

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[Cyph3r]

Islam on the rise in many Central Asian republics.

 

[ephone]

What part of the world are you talking about???

At least, not in my backyard: both in U.S. and China.

No not in my house, in the world. looks like ur one of those lazy mamas boys who just sits his backside all day on the sofa, do some research than come an argue with me (by the way plz do some research on islam, especialy the growth rate)

 

[KS]

hahahahaha NO bro, i just liked it. im 16 by the way n he looks in hes 30s.

Thank god. He looks like he has monkey poop in his mouth.

 

[KS]

In that case, Farsi (Persian) was supposed to be Pan-Islamic language. is it?

(Yes, that happened in India though).

No Farsi is the language of Persians. Period. There is no "pan-" in it. Farsi language was well-developed even before Islam came and hence cant be associated with any pan- isms.

 

[ephone]

Well, you have a right to defend your religion. However, have you looked at recently your religion how crappy it has been practiced???

Repression against women and even other branches of your own religion, keeping tons of school-age kids in religious schools learning nothing but reciting kuran??? Some idiots here even ask for caliphate???

Seriously, your islam religion need dramatic reform.

I agree it might be off topic but i have a right to defend my religion if it is misunderstood or targeted bro, am i right.

 

[yahya07]

Well, you have a right to defend your religion. However, have you looked at recently your religion how crappy it has been practiced???

Repression against women and even other branches of your own religion, keeping tons of school-age kids in religious schools learning nothing but reciting kuran??? Some idiots here even ask for caliphate???

Seriously, your islam religion need dramatic reform.

Haven't read through this thread but I'll only say the last thing we need is people like you criticising Muslims how they practice their religion and calling for "Islamic reform". Your opinion is worth squat.

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Vali Nasr - Rise of Muslim Middle Class - YouTube

 

[Zarvan]

The rise of "Islam", or should I say Salafi (inspired) ideology/pan-Arab Islamism, is proving to be a huge challenge internationally. Nigeria, a country I have lived in for 4 years, is now becoming a hot-bed for the Boko Haram "Islamists", inspired by pan-Arab Islamism, with links to the AQIM (Al-Qaeda of the Maghrib). I have visited Kano in Northern Nigeria myself, I know people from there, & there is definite foreign funding for the Madrassahs there that breed extremism.

Not only is this ideology a disgrace to Islam & Muslims, but also facilitates foreign powers with great geopolitical ambitions to advance their objectives in the region. Pan-Arab (inspired) Islamism is on the rise not only in the Middle East, but also in Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Chechnya etc), as well as other parts of the world; even affecting nations in the Asia Pacific (China, Myanmar, Indonesia, Philippines etc). Nations, that were once relatively secular, are seeing the rise of these "Islamists", who threaten to disturb the "balance of societies" all over the world. Some people think of this as an Islamic revival, although all the societies these "Islamists" administer are the most backward, uneducated, impoverished, intolerant ones.

There is also a rise of a troubling ideology in the Muslim world, with its followers wishing to install 'the caliphate' over their respective countries. There is no clear definition on what this caliphate will be, although it is inspired by pan-Islamism as well. This ideology is threatening to radicalize people that were not radicalized previously. The Muslim world needs to reform itself if it wants a real revival.

At the end of the day, while some people might view these things as the "revival of Islam", it is abundantly clear that these "Islamists" are a bane to Muslims & Islam all around the world, & are in bed with powers with huge geopolitical ambitions.

Sir for your information most who are spreading Islam in west are also strict Salafis and none of them is uneducated in face many of them have done PHD' S and because of them Islam is the fastest growing Religion in the west and also most of them are converts Sir

 

[Zarvan]

Islam on the rise in many Central Asian republics.

What Russia Did or what Mustafa Kamal did sooner or later eventually fails in Islamic Society because every Muslims have always Islam inside him where ever he goes and if you will force him to become liberal he will start hitting back so I will be not surprised that in next 3 to 4 Decades Islamist come in government through vote in these countries because Islam is bound to rise

 

[yyetttt]

Well, you have a right to defend your religion. However, have you looked at recently your religion how crappy it has been practiced???

Repression against women and even other branches of your own religion, keeping tons of school-age kids in religious schools learning nothing but reciting kuran??? Some idiots here even ask for caliphate???

Seriously, your islam religion need dramatic reform.

Dude, all Abrahamic religions were started out from this, this is the real religion concept, not a New Testament, that was just created to please the people politically.

 

[53fd]

@ Bilal :
Mate, the problem with your approach, in my humble opinion, is that if we go down that path of ostracizing a particular group we may end up becoming the very things we swore to protect ourselves against - a certain brand of Fascism. I'm sure that there are Salafis out there who don't see eye to eye with many of what the rest of us do or donot do - fine, let them. Let the natural barrier provided by Human intellect and the traditions of our forefathers work against that. As for them exclaiming that something may or may not be Biddah - they are right, this word didn't come out of thin air, there are belief systems out there that are rather innovative at the expense of the very fundamentals of Islam. Reformation movements the world over from the religious (Calvinism) to the socio-economic (Communism) or the political (Social Democracy) have all exclaimed the same thing - that our system is better than yours, that its truer that yours etc. We human beings are incessantly engaged in a d**k measuring contest one way or the other and we've practiced Takfir in one form or the other across the board. In the recent past - weren't the Capitalists and the Communists doing the same thing ? Now its Islam in place of Communism. On either side there are people divided across the spectrum between inclusivity and exclusivity. So you can't really look at this from the perception of what one is saying but rather whether they materialize that in action. Thats where acts of extremism comes in, thats where we get the moral right to act in reply...otherwise, our modus operandi should solely rest with propagation of our side of the story through logic, reasoning and through right action.

As for how these guys may not adjust well enough to Secular societies...true but just as true of how Christian Reconstructionists can't either. Polls and finding over findings have shown that more acts of extremism are done in the West by right-wing conservatives than Muslims. In fact, I remember something to the effect of how Mr.Ramadan quoted a statistic that 10/11 acts of extremism in Britain over a period of a few years (I think...but you should try watching his show on Presstv - Islam and Life - it deals with a lot of these issues) were done by right wing extremists and only 1 by a Muslim religious extremist. So yes we do have a problem with these people preaching what they are and possibly the Taliban are what happens when such a dogma meets guns....but the vast majority of them out there are peace loving and they would want to preach you what they think is the right way peacefully just as so many conservatives of other faiths or socio-political belief system do. So let them - just do your homework on your part and preach in turn what you think is right and let the people decide.

And besides where would you cut-off. Where would you decide that such and such a thing is far too problematic for our young and old alike to be preached too ? I've personally been declared a Non-Muslim by Sunnis and Shites alike... for the former because I talked about the need for their to be a Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam (to quote Iqbal) and I happen to idolize Umar bin Khattab as a leader for the latter group. Similarly I've been declared an imbecile and lacking any and all intellect by an atheist friend of mine, because I still believe that I can find worthwhile things in something written 1400 years ago. So where...where do we draw the line ? We can't...we just can't practice a mild form of Takfir ourselves and curb the spread of Salafism per se. What we can do is try to educate the masses as much as we can so that they can think independently for themselves and critically analyze whatever is put forth before them. Its much more difficult of the two practices but it would also, in my opinion, serve as a much more potent and lasting deterrent against any extremist ideology and the acts thereof.

My approach is very simple. As long as Salafis/Deobandis keep their opinions to themselves in their houses, & aren't a threat to communal harmony, it's fine. We used to have Ahmedis, Zoroastrians, other non-Muslim minority groups (along with Muslim minority groups) living peacefully in Pakistan under the majority Barelvi population. But ever since the influx of Deobandism post 1947, that communal harmony has been broken. Pre-1947, there were no such problems.

Ahmedis have been declared non-Muslims, discriminated against. Same thing with other minority groups. Do I personally think Ahmedis are non-Muslims? Yes. Do I condemn the violence & discrimination against them? Yes. We have come to a point where even Muslims are under threat of being labeled non-Muslims or infidels. This is the Takfiri mindset I am talking about, & this is a threat to Pakistani society.