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Riot mob surrounding and harassing a woman (after suicide attack)

Caste system transcends religions,,u must be aware of this fact.

Yes, but so far it was a legacy of that cultural/religious system. And if another countryman on a different thread is to be believed.. he remains adamant that anyone from the subcontinent is still a Hindu and should return to one.

Which also makes one think if that caste ideal ever really died out within many parts of the subcontinent. The people rioting here for example are still considered untouchable in many sections of society.
 
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Whats selective about it? an intense military operation is going on against Taliban in Khyber and NW, with use of Air strikes and also arrests of suspected individuals through out country.........but no action is yet taken against the mob involved in lynching two innocent men which is bothering me. Mob riots and lynching is worst kind of terrorism and it inflicts fear and terror in general population of the city, there is no excuse for relaxing law for killer mob just for appeasement of minorities.

Well if government doesn't punish them then next time Muslims will make a mob and it will be a much bigger, angrier mob.
 
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Nope, they were in 19th Century India. Not as such anymore. Syed is still a lineage people go for based on the assumption that these people have a genetic link to the prophet(half of the time its faked).. which is somewhat respected and revered by certain families in preference for marriage.

yes, but it is prevalent.
 
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Yes, but so far it was a legacy of that cultural/religious system. And if another countryman on a different thread is to be believed.. he remains adamant that anyone from the subcontinent is still a Hindu and should return to one.

Which also makes one think if that caste ideal ever really died out within many parts of the subcontinent. The people rioting here for example are still considered untouchable in many sections of society.

Yeah no, these people were not one day started to known as chuhras under supposed caste system. They are distinct ethnic group with in punjab. Nothing to do with caste system.
 
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Yeah no, these people were not one day started to known as chuhras under supposed caste system. They are distinct ethnic group with in punjab. Nothing to do with caste system.

Their distinct ethnic group has nothing to do with the association of their group based on menial dirty tasks. It is almost automatically assumed that this term means someone of that work group because that is what the name of the caste was assigned to them for. What if they were not from that group?
It is this very reason that these people dont generally like to identify themselves to this moniker.

yes, but it is prevalent.

No it isnt. Perhaps in India maybe as a "competition" to the prevalence in other religions of castes still lingering on. Never heard of anyone being given any privileges or being looked down upon is such common day to day activities because of them in Pakistan. Whatever caste system does remain is nowadays confined to rural areas and as such nothing to do with Mirzas or Syeds but more to do with the same systems as centuries ago.
 
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Yeah no, these people were not one day started to known as chuhras under supposed caste system. They are distinct ethnic group with in punjab. Nothing to do with caste system.

Chura is synonmous to Punjabi Christian in Punjab idk why non Punjabis think it has something to do with their prior hinduness. Even my grandmother says chure and she does not say it as if is an insult.
 
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Their distinct ethnic group has nothing to do with the association of their group based on menial dirty tasks. It is almost automatically assumed that this term means someone of that work group because that is what the name of the caste was assigned to them for. What if they were not from that group?
It is this very reason that these people dont generally like to identify themselves to this moniker..

Nope, in punjab every tribe have came from somewhere. These are not just names for name sake. Chuhra is not insult but name of tribe which moved here. Kanjar is not insult but name of tribe. What these terms mean now it has to do with professions these certain tribes adopted and are known for.

People didn't one day started to call them chuhras. This word mean nothing outside tribe identity, nothing to do with being sweeper.
 
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Bros lets not blame all christians for the actions of a few. If the 2 men killed were actually innocent then it is a sad incident and the perpetrators must be brought to justice. However think of the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Everyone was blaming each and every muslim for the attacks. Now we have often argued against that but aren't we doing the same thing with Christians? Labelling all of them responsible for this attack.

This wasn't by Christians, it was by some men who sadly belonged to said community. Lets have some sympathy for Christians. They have as much as us muslims worked to form Pakistan. Cornelius and Pothan Joseph were stalwart muslim league supporters.

We are being as dumb as the Hindutva's who continue to blame all muslims from things such as lack of patriotism to terrorism. This action, I assure you was the act of a few. Lets not paint all Christians with the same brush.

Also how many Christians died here... btw. Are we trying to obfuscate the reality that Christians have often been on the receiving end of militant minded violence. In Zia's time shopkeepers refused to sell to them too?

I am glad at least Chaudhry Nisar realized the threat.
 
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Some people seem to think these chuhras were forced in to being sweeper, which is horse shit. They could easly have become zamindars if they wanted (by killing/subjecting/displacing others already living there so not that easy) just like any other tribe who did in Punjab.
 
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I consider him and all of his distant types, like Maulana Tariq Jameel and Maulana falana and falana, as Jahils. Without any reasoning. Is that racist towards mullahs?

It is for people who leave their religion up to them. The issue has a similar logic to the idea that sparked this debate. The people seen harassing a woman in this video belong to a certain caste.. which automatically rings a bell in regards to a profession(even though many of them are not of that). Because of this people don't identify with it.
Now because of what the ones in the video did, suddenly these people can expect a backlash.. a hatred perhaps. Look at the responses on the thread itself.. and you can see the fallout.

The same goes for Mullahs in general. A lot of them may not at all hold any extremist ideas, but the stigma associated with them means we dont trust them anymore. However, there are more obvious cases which one can then sort out. For e.g. I have met Maulana T.J quite a few times and he is a wonderful person, even though I dont agree on 80% of matters with him. Yet, he is a gem compared to say Amir Liaqat(not a Mullah, but one who exploits religion).. whom I would sacrifice to a rabid hog instantly. The same goes for the fat head of the CII, that man too deserves to be skinned and deboned to be fed to some nice animals.
And here is where the problem between the Mullah apologists and me starts.. they would rather arrest and put CII guy in an air conditioned room in the marriot.. whilst I want him and his likes culled. They are, as anything a social evil which needs not to be dealt with humanely but culled instantly. This includes their followers(who refuse to back away from them) and the followers of many like them wherever they may exist. After all, what was done to Musalimah Kazzab and his followers?

Which brings us back to the idea of why then should we not give the same treatment to the people who were doing the act above? Well, for starters.. unlike the Mullah from whom 70% of the country pees in their clothes with the fear of their collective power and their supposed ability to decide who goes to heaven or hell.. these people have generally been marginalized all the time.. so if they come out after being instigated and wreak havoc.. they will also still be taken to task(which they should be if there was any effective measure...public flogging as a start). At worse they'll riot again, unlike the Mullah who'll blow himself up as revenge at a L.E school.

It all sounds very extreme for the 21st century, but that depends on whether the nation itself has entered that day and age. After all, just as democracy cant work here until they have 5 or 6 cycles(or faster if you follow my signature).. the same way certain humane practices cannot be implemented immediately. Social engineering is the call of the day, not misguided compassion for all; learnt that the hard way.
 
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So many missionary schools in the country ................................ and what we see is a community called chura (most of whom are janitorial staff or drivers). Why? Fault of missionary schools, church or fault of this community itself........... You can count their contribution in Medicine, Armed Forces, Engineering etc. on finger tips.

By the way they are no more called churaz in cities, it has been replaced with Mamay or Changarz.
 
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Chuhra remain chuhra even if he adopt other profession, because it has nothing to do with any profession at all. Ofcourse because of their ancestors profession they don't like this association now. Many have adopted different surnames, but christians are known to be chuhras even if they don't belong in to that tribe. Because majority of them are indeed chuhras,
 
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Nope, they were in 19th Century India. Not as such anymore. Syed is still a lineage people go for based on the assumption that these people have a genetic link to the prophet(half of the time its faked).. which is somewhat respected and revered by certain families in preference for marriage.

So many clans and people establish link to the prophet, that it is beyond funny now. Look at the 'Hashemites' of Jordan.....explained in the tree below:
Hashemites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean, why does it matter? You are muslim, just remain one. No need to establish this and that.
 
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So many clans and people establish link to the prophet, that it is beyond funny now. Look at the 'Hashemites' of Jordan.....explained in the tree below:
Hashemites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean, why does it matter? You are muslim, just remain one. No need to establish this and that.

''O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.'' AYAT al-Hujurat 49:13
 
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