Riot control : How are our European neighbors doing ?

[Vergennes]

The use of weapons such as rubber bullets is limited in many countries. The local police forces rely more on liaison officers, in charge of the dialogue with the demonstrators.

It is now a weekly meeting between police and protesters. This Saturday is expected the tenth day of mobilization of yellow vests with events organized throughout France. After several reports of police violence, riot control is now closely scrutinized. The opportunity to see how our European neighbors manage the public order during events.

The French doctrine of law enforcement, long popular but weakened in recent weeks, is based on puting at distance protesters with different means such as tear gas grenades.
.It aims at a collective intervention, in case of absolute necessity.

In other European countries, puting at distance protesters is even more prevalent, particularly in Belgium, where "de-escalation" is practiced, "where attempts are made as much as possible to avoid [confrontation] through negotiation and compromise, "says a report submitted in January 2018 by the Defender of Rights.

The United Kingdom follows the doctrine of Kettling, where law enforcement encircling a group of people in a specific place to isolate them. A controversial technique but considered compliant by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

This is undoubtedly the point on which France stands out the most: the regular use of so-called intermediate force weapons. "Deafening" hand grenades, grenade launchers, rubber bullets and instant tear gas grenades are frequently used to cope with violent protests which cause many injuries every weekends.

Weapons found in Spanish and Italian police equipment, but which are completely prohibited in Germany, the United Kingdom, Belgium and Sweden. These countries prefer the so-called simple weapons of force, such as defense sticks, tear gas or water cannons, as below, during a demonstration of Belgian yellow vests in Brussels on 30 November.

In France, demonstrations are managed by specialized units, Republican security companies (CRS) and mobile gendarmerie squadrons (EGM). Elsewhere, it is usually the responsibility of the local police forces. Most European law enforcement agencies insist more on increased communication with protesters. Liaison officers are present at every demonstration such as special police tactics in Sweden or peace units in the Netherlands.


The German police also have vehicles with loudspeakers and LED screens to inform the crowd. Many neighboring countries, such as Belgium, are more likely to use the local press and social media to inform real-time developments in police operations. All stress the establishment of a relationship of trust, which requires increased dialogue and, through negotiation, helps to defuse violent reactions.

"The word is the first weapon to enforce the law," said a superintendent of German Federal Mobile Forces to Jacques Toubon, in March 2017.

Concerning the arrests finally, while the French police make the arrests during the demonstrations, countries like the United Kingdom prefer, as far as possible, the intervention at the end of the rally. A solution that avoids, according to the Defender of Rights, a "solidarity effect" between protesters.

https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justic...mment-font-nos-voisins-europeens-1614277.html

Thoughts ? @waz @Cell_DbZ @Indus Pakistan @KhalaiMakhlooq @Path-Finder

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

"The word is the first weapon to enforce the law"

True for many. What I find interesting is how meanings of words change. For example: the word 'frenchman' meant 'stranger' or 'outlander' in early law dictionaries. The word 'true' now means 'in accordance with fact or reality', and before it meant straight, 'the true flight of a bird'.

What is the basis of agreements and law?

B'reishit bara Elohim?

"In the beginning GOD created"? What words means what?

A more accurate translation is "The beginning created GOD"

We can't agree on all things

 

[SecularNationalist]

Our punjab police "Lathi charge" zindabad

 

[Cell_DbZ]

Thoughts ? @waz @Cell_DbZ @Indus Pakistan @KhalaiMakhlooq @Path-Finder

I think that dialogue is good first step, as long as it doesn't give a sign of weakness; sometimes there's just no negotiating with rioters.
I think that here Belgium it is fairly balanced, but to my feeling, sometimes we need to step down harder on people who riot just for the sake rioting.

An example: On new year youth in Molenbeek rioted really hard for no apparent reason. The police failed to control, resulting in uncontrolled rioting for several hours. This may be the result of excessive pampering, in the name of 'human rights' and whatnot.

How did the mayor from Molenbeek respond? She said it was "a way of partying". Not surprising, considering she's the daughter of her corrupt father Moureaux...
Politicans like these, who feed the whole social justice frenzy, are a big part why some of these riots escalate.
But that's a debate for another time...

 

[waz]

The use of weapons such as rubber bullets is limited in many countries. The local police forces rely more on liaison officers, in charge of the dialogue with the demonstrators.

It is now a weekly meeting between police and protesters. This Saturday is expected the tenth day of mobilization of yellow vests with events organized throughout France. After several reports of police violence, riot control is now closely scrutinized. The opportunity to see how our European neighbors manage the public order during events.

The French doctrine of law enforcement, long popular but weakened in recent weeks, is based on puting at distance protesters with different means such as tear gas grenades.
.It aims at a collective intervention, in case of absolute necessity.

In other European countries, puting at distance protesters is even more prevalent, particularly in Belgium, where "de-escalation" is practiced, "where attempts are made as much as possible to avoid [confrontation] through negotiation and compromise, "says a report submitted in January 2018 by the Defender of Rights.

The United Kingdom follows the doctrine of Kettling, where law enforcement encircling a group of people in a specific place to isolate them. A controversial technique but considered compliant by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

This is undoubtedly the point on which France stands out the most: the regular use of so-called intermediate force weapons. "Deafening" hand grenades, grenade launchers, rubber bullets and instant tear gas grenades are frequently used to cope with violent protests which cause many injuries every weekends.

Weapons found in Spanish and Italian police equipment, but which are completely prohibited in Germany, the United Kingdom, Belgium and Sweden. These countries prefer the so-called simple weapons of force, such as defense sticks, tear gas or water cannons, as below, during a demonstration of Belgian yellow vests in Brussels on 30 November.

In France, demonstrations are managed by specialized units, Republican security companies (CRS) and mobile gendarmerie squadrons (EGM). Elsewhere, it is usually the responsibility of the local police forces. Most European law enforcement agencies insist more on increased communication with protesters. Liaison officers are present at every demonstration such as special police tactics in Sweden or peace units in the Netherlands.


The German police also have vehicles with loudspeakers and LED screens to inform the crowd. Many neighboring countries, such as Belgium, are more likely to use the local press and social media to inform real-time developments in police operations. All stress the establishment of a relationship of trust, which requires increased dialogue and, through negotiation, helps to defuse violent reactions.

"The word is the first weapon to enforce the law," said a superintendent of German Federal Mobile Forces to Jacques Toubon, in March 2017.

Concerning the arrests finally, while the French police make the arrests during the demonstrations, countries like the United Kingdom prefer, as far as possible, the intervention at the end of the rally. A solution that avoids, according to the Defender of Rights, a "solidarity effect" between protesters.

https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justic...mment-font-nos-voisins-europeens-1614277.html

Thoughts ? @waz @Cell_DbZ @Indus Pakistan @KhalaiMakhlooq @Path-Finder

Direct intervention during rallies, demos etc runs the risk of causing injury and aggravating the situation. It can also turn something quite peaceful into a violent episode. Police liaising is the way forward, and if trouble does flare just identify and arrest the suspects after the event ends.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The British approach which tends to work [on the whole] is to contain, de-escalate and then post even go after the those who broke the law during the disturbance. In the past, during the miners strikes the police were at times far more aggressive but I think that was political manipulation from higher up - Thatcher government.

However I can't say this approach is the best or that it will continue to be the same in the future. What is best is largely dependent on society. I think British society is generally less violent and the method we have in place works but I fear society is changing to be more violent. So we may end up with French style policing. I hope not but unfortunetely that will happen because of the changing nature of demography. I know that sounds kind of bizzare coming from son of a migrant but that is how I feel.

 

[Path-Finder]

The use of weapons such as rubber bullets is limited in many countries. The local police forces rely more on liaison officers, in charge of the dialogue with the demonstrators.

It is now a weekly meeting between police and protesters. This Saturday is expected the tenth day of mobilization of yellow vests with events organized throughout France. After several reports of police violence, riot control is now closely scrutinized. The opportunity to see how our European neighbors manage the public order during events.

The French doctrine of law enforcement, long popular but weakened in recent weeks, is based on puting at distance protesters with different means such as tear gas grenades.
.It aims at a collective intervention, in case of absolute necessity.

In other European countries, puting at distance protesters is even more prevalent, particularly in Belgium, where "de-escalation" is practiced, "where attempts are made as much as possible to avoid [confrontation] through negotiation and compromise, "says a report submitted in January 2018 by the Defender of Rights.

The United Kingdom follows the doctrine of Kettling, where law enforcement encircling a group of people in a specific place to isolate them. A controversial technique but considered compliant by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

This is undoubtedly the point on which France stands out the most: the regular use of so-called intermediate force weapons. "Deafening" hand grenades, grenade launchers, rubber bullets and instant tear gas grenades are frequently used to cope with violent protests which cause many injuries every weekends.

Weapons found in Spanish and Italian police equipment, but which are completely prohibited in Germany, the United Kingdom, Belgium and Sweden. These countries prefer the so-called simple weapons of force, such as defense sticks, tear gas or water cannons, as below, during a demonstration of Belgian yellow vests in Brussels on 30 November.

In France, demonstrations are managed by specialized units, Republican security companies (CRS) and mobile gendarmerie squadrons (EGM). Elsewhere, it is usually the responsibility of the local police forces. Most European law enforcement agencies insist more on increased communication with protesters. Liaison officers are present at every demonstration such as special police tactics in Sweden or peace units in the Netherlands.


The German police also have vehicles with loudspeakers and LED screens to inform the crowd. Many neighboring countries, such as Belgium, are more likely to use the local press and social media to inform real-time developments in police operations. All stress the establishment of a relationship of trust, which requires increased dialogue and, through negotiation, helps to defuse violent reactions.

"The word is the first weapon to enforce the law," said a superintendent of German Federal Mobile Forces to Jacques Toubon, in March 2017.

Concerning the arrests finally, while the French police make the arrests during the demonstrations, countries like the United Kingdom prefer, as far as possible, the intervention at the end of the rally. A solution that avoids, according to the Defender of Rights, a "solidarity effect" between protesters.

https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justic...mment-font-nos-voisins-europeens-1614277.html

Thoughts ? @waz @Cell_DbZ @Indus Pakistan @KhalaiMakhlooq @Path-Finder

Kettling is a new form of dealing with demonstrations but maybe not riots. But there haven't been any mega riots in a very long time. Who knows what will happen after brexit because the number of police officers are down.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

The British approach which tends to work [on the whole] is to contain, de-escalate and then post even go after the those who broke the law during the disturbance. In the past, during the miners strikes the police were at times far more aggressive but I think that was political manipulation from higher up - Thatcher government.

the UK uses 'kettling', which is very controversial and was even challenged at the ECJ (but the ECJ said it was lawful)